| Subject | Re: [dq] Mage Current -- modification discussion |
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| From | Michael Scott |
| Date | Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:39:15 +1200 |
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Could I sugest that instead of voting at a Gods meeting there be a page on =
the wiki where porposals are put foward for discussion and after a set peri=
od of time put to a vote. Each GM has one week in which to register his/her=
vote and then it closes and we have an actionable result. I believe this w=
ill give everyone a chance to have there say and vote without worring about=
availablity issues or cetain personalities being in the same space. To fur=
ther ensure every gm knows about discussions and votes a notification can b=
e e-mailed to all.
=20
Just a thought.
=20
TTFN
Michael
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Bernard most things about rule issues have become unclear to everyone. At o=
ne point we had a system, which did not allow proxy votes - with the idea t=
o stop stacking gods meetings, but thats another story. At this time since =
we have no clear system, so send in your proxy vote and it may somehow coun=
t.Helen Re: Racial EMs - this failed even thou the GMs voted to change it, =
because Errol chose not to follow the except system and was running that Go=
ds meeting at the time, and he decided to suddenly allow changes to the age=
nda part way thru a vote. Since their is no regard or understanding for the=
system of; how we talk about rules, or go about changing rules, or voting =
on them, or respect for the agenda/system, their is little to no point.At t=
his time, we seem to have a chaotic system, disregarded or unknown by many.=
Jono
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<FONT color=3D#800080>Could I sugest that instead of voting at a Gods meeti=
ng there be a page on the wiki where porposals are put foward for discussio=
n and after a set period of time put to a vote. Each GM has one week in whi=
ch to register his/her vote and then it closes and we have an actionable re=
sult. I believe this will give everyone a chance to have there say and vote=
without worring about availablity issues or cetain personalities being in =
the same space. To further ensure every gm knows about discussions and vote=
s a notification can be e-mailed to all.</FONT><BR>
<FONT color=3D#800080></FONT> <BR>
<FONT color=3D#800080>Just a thought.</FONT><BR>
<FONT color=3D#800080></FONT> <BR>
<FONT color=3D#800080>TTFN</FONT><BR>
<FONT color=3D#800080>Michael</FONT><BR>
<BR>
Bernard most things about rule issues have become unclear to everyone. At o=
ne point we had a system, which did not allow proxy votes - with the idea t=
o stop stacking gods meetings, but thats another story. At this time since =
we have no clear system, so send in your proxy vote and it may somehow coun=
t.<BR><BR>Helen Re: Racial EMs - this failed even thou the GMs voted to cha=
nge it, because Errol chose not to follow the except system and was running=
that Gods meeting at the time, and he decided to suddenly allow changes to=
the agenda part way thru a vote. Since their is no regard or understanding=
for the system of; how we talk about rules, or go about changing rules, or=
voting on them, or respect for the agenda/system, their is little to no po=
int.<BR><BR>At this time, we seem to have a chaotic system, disregarded or =
unknown by many. <BR><BR>Jono<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><br /><hr />Express yourself =
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| Subject | Re: [dq] Mage Current -- speed etc |
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| From | Michael Scott |
| Date | Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:58:12 +1200 |
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Point of Order/Chaos.
Could we keep the logic & analogies at least vaguely applicable. Clearly M=
artin=92s changes are suggested are because he & others want BOTH magic & S=
kills to apply: please argue to that point, especially pointing out inconsi=
stencies & consequences, or suggest valid counter-proposals, including perh=
aps tweaked numbers, that you honestly consider worth considering. Make su=
re your are arguing the actual points raise, not inventing straw men.
=20
Ex#1.
Why? I mean it is magic it is ment to do impossible things.=20
You might as well say that fly spells should be removed becuase humans don'=
t naturally have wings.
=20
A false analogy; which was so irritating that I almost missed an interestin=
g comment from the same writer.
=20
False?
=20
Brick shouldn't move fast with water spell becuase bricks don't move fast i=
n water.
=20
Humans shouldn't fly with air spell becuase humans don't fly
=20
seems a suitable analogy to me if oversimplified and/or exagerated. And it =
was a comment about Helen's statement that seem to indercate that magic def=
ying physical laws was somehow unfair/wrong. The asumption was that both ma=
gic and skill do apply and that I saw no reason to chage the speed componen=
t as consequences are already present for anyone with a little imagination =
or experiance.
=20
As to Ex#2 this wasn't my comment but Jono's I believe.
=20
TTFN
Michael Scott
=20
Ex#2.
As this doesn't go anywhere near addressing the many real issues and needs =
in the college, I am not in favour of this minor fix.
=20
Illogical & contrary to our established practise. Have you forgotten we=92=
ve often modified spells one-off when an inconsistency or undesirable effec=
t is detected. Many of the other rules changes were each a =93minor fix=94=
. The only problem with minor fixes is that they are so easy, that sometim=
es they fail to make it into the next official version of the Rules.
=20
Regards, Michael
=20
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hael ScottSent: Tuesday, 4 March 2008 6:10 p.m.To: dq@dq.sf.org.nzSubject: =
Re: [dq] Mage Current -- speed etc
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=20
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I agree that for a mage current at high ranks to be able to move a 'floatin=
g brick' twice as fast as the best navigator on alusia in the best vessel a=
float is just plain wrong.
=20
Why? I mean it is magic it is ment to do impossible things.=20
=20
You might as well say that fly spells should be removed becuase humans don'=
t naturally have wings. We have a flying skill becuase the spells while all=
owing you to fly (and fly faster than any creature fantasical or other wise=
), doesn't automatically make you competant in avoiding terain or each othe=
r and ending very messily.
=20
There are all sorts of dangers at sea that mage current won't save a ship o=
r party from and relying solely on magic is stupid and should be expolted b=
y the GM/enemy.
=20
eg. what happens to this brick if the bad guy have a namer to drop counters=
in the path of travel or dispell the current or just the boat.
=20
Even normal weather could possibly swamp the boat/brick if it hasn't been d=
esigned properly. Ship strength just holds the boat together and mage curre=
nt moves it neither stop it from capsizing or hitting a submerged tree or r=
eef or something.
=20
TTFN
Michael
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<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
>Point of Order/Chaos.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
>Could we keep the logic & analogies at least vaguely applicable. =
Clearly Martin=92s changes are suggested are because he & others want =
BOTH magic & Skills to apply: please argue to <I>that</I> point, especi=
ally pointing out <B>inconsistencies</B> & <B>consequences</B>, or sugg=
est valid <B>counter</B>-proposals, including perhaps tweaked numbers, that=
you honestly consider worth considering. Make sure your are arguing =
the actual points raise, not inventing straw men.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
> </SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
>Ex#1.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red">Why? I =
mean it is magic it is ment to do impossible things. </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"=
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red">You mig=
ht as well say that fly spells should be removed becuase humans don't natur=
ally have wings.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FA=
MILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
>A false analogy; which was so irritating that I almost missed an interesti=
ng comment from the same writer.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
> </SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
><FONT color=3D#0000ff>False?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
><FONT color=3D#0000ff>Brick shouldn't move fast with water spell becuase b=
ricks don't move fast in water.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
><FONT color=3D#0000ff>Humans shouldn't fly with air spell becuas=
e humans don't fly</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
><FONT color=3D#0000ff>seems a suitable analogy to me if oversimplified and=
/or exagerated. And it was a comment about Helen's statement that seem to i=
ndercate that magic defying physical laws was somehow unfair/wrong. The asu=
mption was that both magic and skill do apply and that I saw no reason to c=
hage the speed component as </FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff>consequences are a=
lready present for anyone with a little imagination or experiance.</FONT></=
SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
><FONT color=3D#0000ff>As to Ex#2 this wasn't my comment but Jono's I belie=
ve.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
><FONT color=3D#0000ff>TTFN</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
><FONT color=3D#0000ff>Michael Scott</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
>Ex#2.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red">As this=
doesn't go anywhere near addressing the many real issues and needs in the =
college, I am not in favour of this minor fix.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
> </SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
>Illogical & contrary to our established practise. Have you forgo=
tten we=92ve often modified spells one-off when an inconsistency or undesir=
able effect is detected. Many of the other rules changes were each a =
=93minor fix=94. The only problem with minor fixes is that they are s=
o easy, that sometimes they fail to make it into the next official version =
of the Rules.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
> </SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
>Regards, Michael</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'"=
> </SPAN></P>
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><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Mage Current -- speed etc</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-F=
AMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I agree that for a mage current at high ranks =
to be able to move a 'floating brick' twice as fast as the best n=
avigator on alusia in the best vessel afloat is just plain wrong.</SPA=
N><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"></SPAN=
></P></DIV>
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','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FA=
MILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Why? I mean it is magic it is ment to do imposs=
ible things. </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','s=
ans-serif'"></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial=
','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FA=
MILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">You might as well say that fly spells should be=
removed becuase humans don't naturally have wings. We have a flying skill =
becuase the spells while allowing you to fly (and fly faster than any creat=
ure fantasical or other wise), doesn't automatically make you competant in =
avoiding terain or each other and ending very messily.</SPAN><SPAN style=3D=
"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial=
','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FA=
MILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">There are all sorts of dangers at sea that mage=
current won't save a ship or party from and relying solely on magic is stu=
pid and should be expolted by the GM/enemy.</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P></DIV>
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','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FA=
MILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">eg. what happens to this brick if the bad guy h=
ave a namer to drop counters in the path of travel or dispell the current o=
r just the boat.</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'=
,'sans-serif'"></SPAN></P></DIV>
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','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DEC_MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FA=
MILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Even normal weather could possibly swamp the bo=
at/brick if it hasn't been designed properly. Ship strength just holds the =
boat together and mage current moves it neither stop it from capsizing or h=
itting a submerged tree or reef or something.</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZ=
E: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P></DIV>
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MILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">TTFN</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT=
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| From | Errol Cavit |
| Date | Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:31:51 +1300 |
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I'm really impressed that I can be "running that God's meeting" when I
wasn't at it.
I _suggested_ (before the meeting) what I thought was a better way of voting
on this complex matter. Jono, you responded at Thu 6/09/2007 10:18 with
'Fine by me.'
That was the time you raise any issues with process, not with false
allegations months later.
Changes to an agenda item are more likely if they are added to the agenda
without being widely discussed.
Errol
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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of
Jonathan Bean
Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:37
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Mage Current -- modification discussion
Bernard most things about rule issues have become unclear to everyone. At
one point we had a system, which did not allow proxy votes - with the idea
to stop stacking gods meetings, but thats another story. At this time since
we have no clear system, so send in your proxy vote and it may somehow
count.
Helen Re: Racial EMs - this failed even thou the GMs voted to change it,
because Errol chose not to follow the except system and was running that
Gods meeting at the time, and he decided to suddenly allow changes to the
agenda part way thru a vote. Since their is no regard or understanding for
the system of; how we talk about rules, or go about changing rules, or
voting on them, or respect for the agenda/system, their is little to no
point.
At this time, we seem to have a chaotic system, disregarded or unknown by
many.
Jono
On 05/03/2008, Bernard Hoggins < nevyn0ad@yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:nevyn0ad@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote:
While I won't be at the guild meeting (Side note, are proxy votes allowed, I
forget our policy on that).
The Combination of Helens wording and the 5 + 1/2 speed has my support. At
Rk 20 the faster sailing ships will come out at a similar resultant speed,
while barges will slow a little. A Rk 0-6 mage still gets similar to faster
than they got before once the boat speed is taken into account.
This is a good outcome as far as I'm concerned.
And while I do agree that other things probably need reviewing also, that
can be said across the board, and this is a start towards fixing those
things.
Bernard.
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really impressed that I can be "running that God's meeting" when I wasn't at
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_suggested_ (before the meeting) what I thought was a better way of voting on
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Jonathan
Bean<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:37<BR><B>To:</B>
dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Mage Current -- modification
discussion<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Bernard most things about rule issues have
become unclear to everyone. At one point we had a system, which did not allow
proxy votes - with the idea to stop stacking gods meetings, but thats another
story. At this time since we have no clear system, so send in your proxy vote
and it may somehow count.<BR><BR>Helen Re: Racial EMs - this failed even thou
the GMs voted to change it, because Errol chose not to follow the except
system and was running that Gods meeting at the time, and he decided to
suddenly allow changes to the agenda part way thru a vote. Since their is no
regard or understanding for the system of; how we talk about rules, or go
about changing rules, or voting on them, or respect for the agenda/system,
their is little to no point.<BR><BR>At this time, we seem to have a chaotic
system, disregarded or unknown by many. <BR><BR>Jono<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 05/03/2008, <B class=gmail_sendername>Bernard
Hoggins</B> <<A
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I won't be at the guild meeting (Side note, are proxy votes allowed, I
forget our policy on that).<BR>The Combination of Helens wording and the 5 +
1/2 speed has my support. At Rk 20 the faster sailing ships will come
out at a similar resultant speed, while barges will slow a little. A
Rk 0-6 mage still gets similar to faster than they got before once the boat
speed is taken into account.<BR>This is a good outcome as far as I'm
concerned.<BR><BR>And while I do agree that other things probably need
reviewing also, that can be said across the board, and this is a start
towards fixing those things.<BR><BR>Bernard.<BR>
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| Subject | Re: [dq] Mage Current -- modification discussion |
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| From | Martin Dickson |
| Date | Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:14:53 +1300 |
------=_Part_15015_31192232.1204748093886 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Jonathan Bean <jonobean@gmail.com> wrote: > Bernard most things about rule issues have become unclear to everyone. At > one point we had a system, which did not allow proxy votes - with the idea > to stop stacking gods meetings, but thats another story. At this time since > we have no clear system, so send in your proxy vote and it may somehow > count. Much of the current vestiges of "turn up and vote" also pre-date near universal access to email and web. It's probably well past time that we drag ourselves kicking and screaming into the century of the fruitbat. Cheers, Martin ------=_Part_15015_31192232.1204748093886 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Jonathan Bean <<a href="mailto:jonobean@gmail.com">jonobean@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Bernard most things about rule issues have become unclear to everyone. At one point we had a system, which did not allow proxy votes - with the idea to stop stacking gods meetings, but thats another story. At this time since we have no clear system, so send in your proxy vote and it may somehow count.</blockquote> <div><br>Much of the current vestiges of "turn up and vote" also pre-date near universal access to email and web. It's probably well past time that we drag ourselves kicking and screaming into the century of the fruitbat.<br> <br>Cheers,<br>Martin<br></div></div><br> ------=_Part_15015_31192232.1204748093886-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Mage Current -- modification discussion |
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| From | Martin Dickson |
| Date | Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:18:28 +1300 |
------=_Part_15026_16615608.1204748308671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Michael Scott <big_mac_kd@hotmail.com> wrote: > Could I sugest that instead of voting at a Gods meeting there be a page > on the wiki where porposals are put foward for discussion and after a set > period of time put to a vote. Each GM has one week in which to register > his/her vote and then it closes and we have an actionable result. I believe > this will give everyone a chance to have there say and vote without worring > about availablity issues or cetain personalities being in the same space. To > further ensure every gm knows about discussions and votes a notification can > be e-mailed to all. > > Just a thought. > > Good thought. :-) Sounds like a reasonable starting place for a discussion around revising the way proposals & voting occur. Cheers, Martin ------=_Part_15026_16615608.1204748308671 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Michael Scott <<a href="mailto:big_mac_kd@hotmail.com">big_mac_kd@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div> <blockquote> <font color="#800080">Could I sugest that instead of voting at a Gods meeting there be a page on the wiki where porposals are put foward for discussion and after a set period of time put to a vote. Each GM has one week in which to register his/her vote and then it closes and we have an actionable result. I believe this will give everyone a chance to have there say and vote without worring about availablity issues or cetain personalities being in the same space. To further ensure every gm knows about discussions and votes a notification can be e-mailed to all.</font><br> <font color="#800080"></font> <br> <font color="#800080">Just a thought.</font></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br>Good thought. :-) Sounds like a reasonable starting place for a discussion around revising the way proposals & voting occur.<br><br> Cheers,<br>Martin<br></div></div><br> ------=_Part_15026_16615608.1204748308671-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | [dq] Agenda Items and Procedures for Gods Meetings |
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| From | Keith Smith |
| Date | Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:30:43 +1300 |
>Good thought. :-) Sounds like a reasonable starting place for a >discussion around revising the way proposals & voting occur. Picking on Martin's suggestion, and also as the person taking the minutes, I'm starting a new thread, with a new title, so that the topic he mentioned can be discussed. Given that we only have a few days before the upcoming meeting, could we please have any items ready for voting placed on the agenda page as soon as possible so that people are aware of them and can make an informed vote. They probably also should be sent to the email list as well. Maybe there isn't enough time to get something in place for this meeting but I believe we should be able to do it for the next. I know that, in the past, a lot of good proposals and ideas seem to have fallen through the cracks over the years or have basically fizzled out .. such as the proposal for changing EM multipliers ... or the proposed Thief updates. Should we go back and revisit these or just let them drop -- and do we need to restart an early mechanism that was used to keep track of proposals. With the wiki, it should be easy to do this. Keith -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | [dq] Racial EMs |
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| From | Jacqui Smith |
| Date | Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:41:00 +1300 |
--=====================_1088815718==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:37 p.m. 5/03/2008, you wrote: >Helen Re: Racial EMs - this failed even thou the GMs voted to change >it, because Errol chose not to follow the except system and was >running that Gods meeting at the time, and he decided to suddenly >allow changes to the agenda part way thru a vote. Since their is no >regard or understanding for the system of; how we talk about rules, >or go about changing rules, or voting on them, or respect for the >agenda/system, their is little to no point. As I recall the GMs did agree that there should be change, the problem was that they could not agree on the form of that change. As I have stated before, my difficulty was that the form of change I considered most desirable, that where the modifier was progressively reduced at a decreasing cost from 1.5 to 1.0 had been only recently proposed, and was not presented. Thus, I voted against all the versions presented, and asked that the proposal be represented with this version included. I would therefore suggest you put together another proposal. Jacqui Smith --=====================_1088815718==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <html> <body> At 09:37 p.m. 5/03/2008, you wrote:<br> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Helen Re: Racial EMs - this failed even thou the GMs voted to change it, because Errol chose not to follow the except system and was running that Gods meeting at the time, and he decided to suddenly allow changes to the agenda part way thru a vote. Since their is no regard or understanding for the system of; how we talk about rules, or go about changing rules, or voting on them, or respect for the agenda/system, their is little to no point.</blockquote><br> As I recall the GMs did agree that there should be change, the problem was that they could not agree on the form of that change.<br><br> As I have stated before, my difficulty was that the form of change I considered most desirable, that where the modifier was progressively reduced at a <u>decreasing</u> cost from 1.5 to 1.0 had been only recently proposed, and was not presented. Thus, I voted against all the versions presented, and asked that the proposal be represented with this version included.<br><br> I would therefore suggest you put together another proposal.<br><br> Jacqui Smith</body> </html> --=====================_1088815718==.ALT-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Mage Current -- modification discussion |
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| From | Jacqui Smith |
| Date | Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:44:05 +1300 |
--=====================_1088999593==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:18 a.m. 6/03/2008, you wrote: >Could I sugest that instead of voting at a Gods meeting there be a >page on the wiki where porposals are put foward for discussion and >after a set period of time put to a vote. Each GM has one week in >which to register his/her vote and then it closes and we have an >actionable result. I believe this will give everyone a chance to >have there say and vote without worring about availablity issues or >cetain personalities being in the same space. To further ensure >every gm knows about discussions and votes a notification can be >e-mailed to all. > >Just a thought. > > >Good thought. :-) Sounds like a reasonable starting place for a >discussion around revising the way proposals & voting occur. Please no.... Jacqui --=====================_1088999593==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <html> <body> At 09:18 a.m. 6/03/2008, you wrote:<br> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> <dl> <dl> <dd><font color="#800080">Could I sugest that instead of voting at a Gods meeting there be a page on the wiki where porposals are put foward for discussion and after a set period of time put to a vote. Each GM has one week in which to register his/her vote and then it closes and we have an actionable result. I believe this will give everyone a chance to have there say and vote without worring about availablity issues or cetain personalities being in the same space. To further ensure every gm knows about discussions and votes a notification can be e-mailed to all.</font><br> <dd> <br> <dd><font color="#800080">Just a thought.</font><br><br> </dl> </dl><br> Good thought. :-) Sounds like a reasonable starting place for a discussion around revising the way proposals & voting occur.</blockquote><br> Please no.... <br><br> Jacqui</body> </html> --=====================_1088999593==.ALT-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Racial EMs |
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| From | Errol Cavit |
| Date | Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:17:05 +1300 |
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C87F17.067F926D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Could you work through an example of this (using whatever vaguely sensible values you like for the costs to 'buy' the RM reduction), and compare with the EP cost using the current setup for Giants, elves and humans. If the cost for each step is the same for each Race (i.e. the cost for a Giant to go from 1.2 to 1.1 is the same as the cost for an elf to go from 1.2 to 1.1), then it is even less fair to those on high RMs than the "same amount of EP earned for each step drop" method that was withdrawn at the meeting. Note that Martin said in October: "I prefer the proposal of dropping the RM in 0.1 steps towards 1.0, with the higher steps costing less than the lower. (i.e reducing from 1.5 to 1.4 costs less than the final drop from 1.1 to 1.0)", which is the other way around from what you have said below. Also, Jacqui's thoughts are an example of why I suggested a non-standard way of voting on this issue. We now know that there is a desire for change, but none of proposed (at that time) new methods had enough support. This is more useful than just knowing that a number of suggested changes were each voted down. Cheers Errol -----Original Message----- From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]On Behalf Of Jacqui Smith Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2008 10:41 To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: [dq] Racial EMs As I recall the GMs did agree that there should be change, the problem was that they could not agree on the form of that change. As I have stated before, my difficulty was that the form of change I considered most desirable, that where the modifier was progressively reduced at a decreasing cost from 1.5 to 1.0 had been only recently proposed, and was not presented. Thus, I voted against all the versions presented, and asked that the proposal be represented with this version included. I would therefore suggest you put together another proposal. Jacqui Smith ------_=_NextPart_001_01C87F17.067F926D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1226" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=254370522-05032008>Could you work through an example of this (using whatever vaguely sensible values you like for the costs to 'buy' the RM reduction), and compare with the EP cost using the current setup for Giants, elves and humans.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=254370522-05032008>If the cost for each step is the same for each Race (i.e. the cost for a Giant to go from 1.2 to 1.1 is the same as the cost for an elf to go from 1.2 to 1.1), then it is even less fair to those on high RMs than the "same amount of EP earned for each step drop" method that was withdrawn at the meeting.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=254370522-05032008></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=254370522-05032008>Note that Martin said in October:</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=254370522-05032008><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>"I prefer the proposal of dropping the RM in 0.1 steps towards 1.0, with the higher steps costing less than the lower. (i.e reducing from 1.5 to 1.4 costs less than the final drop from 1.1 to 1.0)", which is the other way around from what you have said below.</FONT><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=254370522-05032008></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=254370522-05032008>Also, Jacqui's thoughts are an example of why I suggested a non-standard way of voting on this issue. We now know that there is a desire for change, but none of proposed (at that time) new methods had enough support. This is more useful than just knowing that a number of suggested changes were each voted down.</DIV></SPAN></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=254370522-05032008></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=254370522-05032008>Cheers</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=254370522-05032008>Errol</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Jacqui Smith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 6 March 2008 10:41<BR><B>To:</B> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq] Racial EMs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR>As I recall the GMs did agree that there should be change, the problem was that they could not agree on the form of that change.<BR><BR>As I have stated before, my difficulty was that the form of change I considered most desirable, that where the modifier was progressively reduced at a <U>decreasing</U> cost from 1.5 to 1.0 had been only recently proposed, and was not presented. Thus, I voted against all the versions presented, and asked that the proposal be represented with this version included.<BR><BR>I would therefore suggest you put together another proposal.<BR><BR>Jacqui Smith </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C87F17.067F926D-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Mage Current -- modification discussion |
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| From | Ian Wood |
| Date | Thu, 6 Mar 2008 18:22:22 +1100 (EST) |
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rule changes.=0A=0AIan=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Martin D=
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ich to register his/her vote and then it closes and we have an actionable r=
esult. I believe this will give everyone a chance to have there say and vot=
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es a notification can be e-mailed to all.=0A =0AJust a thought.=0A=0AGood t=
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imes, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Martin Dickson <martin=
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008 9:18:28 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [dq] Mage Current -- modification discussion=
<BR><BR>On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Michael Scott <<A href=3D"mailt=
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voting at a Gods meeting there be a page on the wiki where porposals are p=
ut foward for discussion and after a set period of time put to a vote. Each=
GM has one week in which to register his/her vote and then it closes and w=
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ut discussions and votes a notification can be e-mailed to all.</FONT><BR><=
FONT color=3D#800080></FONT> <BR><FONT color=3D#800080>Just a thought.=
</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>=0A<DIV><BR>Good thought. :-) Sounds=
like a reasonable starting place for a discussion around revising the way =
proposals & voting occur.<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Martin<BR></DIV></DIV><BR><=
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