Subject[dq-announce] Guild meeting minutes - Autumn 808WK
FromKeith Smith
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Seagate Adventurer's Guild
Autumn 808 WK
0) Pre Guild meeting
         a) Vote taken to accept the new Cazala Guidebook - Passed (8/2/0)
         b) Mage Current. Change to effective speed - Passed (7/0/1)
         c) Procedures. It was noted that our procedures for 
rulechanges need to be formalised and updated. Subsequent rule 
changes should follow the procedure. The old procedures are to 
reprinted for revision and a list of changes that have fallen by the 
wayside is to be produced to see if anyone wishes to pick them up.
         d) Erzabet was nominated for Star of Alusia by Jono. For 
convincing the rest of the party to let her handle the very delicate 
negotiations with Beast Rabbin.

1) Adventures going out
         a) Trials of the Trident (Jono) - Matt Tumbledown requires 
two more people for these trials. They will be favoured by the titans 
and learn tricks with tridents. Tuesdays, medium/high.
         b) Chasing White Elephants (Bernard) - Someone has attempted 
to assassinate the Duke on the Plane of Farway. The party needs to 
find out who did it and to do so discretely so that the Duke doesn't 
end up at war with the wrong faction.  Thursday or Friday. Medium.
         c) Legacy of Kael (William) - The previous party encountered 
the Laughing God. Now they're looking for replacement party members 
to cure him. To do this, they have to find the Gods followers, which 
may be difficult as worshipping the old elven gods is illegal. The 
Wild Elves have also been stirred up. Tuesday, Avondale, Medium
         d) Please can we have our Prince back (Phil) - There is a 
problem with the succession and the 4th son is now in line. A party 
is required to get him as he is currently adventuring in the 
mountains. The King is ill and the older sons can no longer inherent 
as as they died and were resurrected, which is also raising doubts on 
their lineage. So the Prince has to be brought back alive without 
dying. Also, only natives to the plane can ascend to the throne. 
Require one more person, High.
         e) Melody (Jeff) - need a party for White Raven, A guild 
party helped him ascend to Godhood and he has decided on a way to 
solve the Icefall problem. Wants a party to 'remove' the universe 
creators. Two or three more people required. Wednesday, low/medium.
         f) Travelling ghost (Jim) - Wants some lds to help the boos 
out to deal with 'nazis' offplane, Halfway decent folks required and 
the job shouldn't take so long. Jim, Immortals game.

2) Awards
         a) Smartest
                 i) Lath - Undead dust was settling over Brastor so 
Lath had the idea of creating a rainstorm and washing it all away.
                 ii) Albion the Mad - The orcs had discovered that 
the party were at the top of one of their towers so Albion had the 
idea of throwing Lizette off the tower to distract them. In reality 
they used an orc with an illusion.
                 iii) Mortimer Graves - The banerock the party were 
fighting disappeared into the earth to hide. A Tunnel was punched 
down to it and Mortimer cursed the creature in such a way that the 
earth could no longer hide it or shelter it's evil.
                 iv) Sooty - used salamanders in a box to provide a 
time delay distraction while the party got the slaves out.
                 v) Albion the Mad - Controlled the captured mage and 
sent him back to the orc encampment with a chaos item.
                 vi) Grindar - made a special golem for Hamish when 
he was rendered 'armless'
         Winner - Albion

         b) Bravest
                 i) Dalran - Had snuck into Hell to tag Furfur's 
lieutenants as well as standing at 'ground zero' to trigger an item 
to trap the demons that were teleporting in.
                 ii) No vote
         Winner - Dalran

         c) Stupidest
                 i) Lucius - While interrogating, managed to kill the 
captive and discovered he was pacted to Foras. Lucius bounced off 
Foras's chest as he attempted to exit the room.
                 ii) Vychan - To help protect the townsfolk from the 
undead hordes, elementals were set up on guard. Vychan wandered next 
to one, forgetting he is currently twelve percent undead.
                 iii) Kern. At the second encounter with the 
banerock, he thought the Tunnelling idea was so good, he did it 
again. Unfortunately the banerock was levitating and the entire party 
fell down the hole.
                 iv) Dwork - Even after being told not to use fire 
magic in a swamp, he cast a fireball and blew the entire party up.
         Winner - Kern

         d) Best Death
                 i) Dalran - In the fight with Furfur, Dalran picked 
up a staff that he knew would kill him. He was able to teleport to 
Vahalla with it and died there.
                 ii) No vote
         Winner - Dalran

3) Star of Alusia
         Erzabet - Certain artifacts were required to complete the 
mission. Beast Rabban and his minions had set up an ambush for the 
party and were waiting. Erzabet also suspected the party had been 
cursed to be rude and, any mistake here was certain to be fatal. She 
decided their best chance was to negotiate and and convinced the rest 
of the party to stay quiet and let her do it. With the odds stacked 
against her she was able to convince the bad guys that there was 
something in it for them if the party survived.

         Vote to award Star of Alusia to Erzabet - Passed (17/2/5)

4) Other Business
         a) Engalton reminded new members that Adventurer starter 
kits from Newhaven were available.
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<div align="center"><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=6><b>Seagate
Adventurer’s Guild<br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica">Autumn 808 WK<br>
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0) <u>Pre Guild meeting<br>
</u><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>a)
Vote taken to accept the new Cazala Guidebook - Passed (8/2/0)<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>b) Mage
Current. Change to effective speed - Passed (7/0/1)<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>c)
Procedures. It was noted that our procedures for rulechanges need to be
formalised and updated. Subsequent rule changes should follow the
procedure. The old procedures are to reprinted for revision and a list of
changes that have fallen by the wayside is to be produced to see if
anyone wishes to pick them up.<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>d) Erzabet
was nominated for Star of Alusia by Jono. For convincing the rest of the
party to let her handle the very delicate negotiations with Beast
Rabbin.<br><br>
1) <u>Adventures going out<br>
</u><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>a)
<i>Trials of the Trident </i>(Jono) - Matt Tumbledown requires two more
people for these trials. They will be favoured by the titans and learn
tricks with tridents. Tuesdays, medium/high.<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>b)
<i>Chasing White Elephants </i>(Bernard) - Someone has attempted to
assassinate the Duke on the Plane of Farway. The party needs to find out
who did it and to do so discretely so that the Duke doesn’t end up at war
with the wrong faction.&nbsp; Thursday or Friday. Medium.<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>c)
<i>Legacy of Kael </i>(William) - The previous party encountered the
Laughing God. Now they’re looking for replacement party members to cure
him. To do this, they have to find the Gods followers, which may be
difficult as worshipping the old elven gods is illegal. The Wild Elves
have also been stirred up. Tuesday, Avondale, Medium<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>d)
<i>Please can we have our Prince back </i>(Phil) - There is a problem
with the succession and the
4</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=1><sup>th</sup></font>
<font face="Arial, Helvetica"> son is now in line. A party is required to
get him as he is currently adventuring in the mountains. The King is ill
and the older sons can no longer inherent as as they died and were
resurrected, which is also raising doubts on their lineage. So the Prince
has to be brought back alive without dying. Also, only natives to the
plane can ascend to the throne. Require one more person, High.<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>e) Melody
(Jeff) - need a party for White Raven, A guild party helped him ascend to
Godhood and he has decided on a way to solve the Icefall problem. Wants a
party to ‘remove’ the universe creators. Two or three more people
required. Wednesday, low/medium.<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>f)
Travelling ghost (Jim) - Wants some lds to help the boos out to deal with
‘nazis’ offplane, Halfway decent folks required and the job shouldn’t
take so long. Jim, Immortals game. <br><br>
2)<u> Awards<br>
</u><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>a)
<b>Smartest<br>
</b><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>i) <i>Lath</i> -
Undead dust was settling over Brastor so Lath had the idea of creating a
rainstorm and washing it all away.<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>ii) <i>Albion the
Mad </i>- The orcs had discovered that the party were at the top of one
of their towers so Albion had the idea of throwing Lizette off the tower
to distract them. In reality they used an orc with an illusion.<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>iii) <i>Mortimer
Graves </i>- The banerock the party were fighting disappeared into the
earth to hide. A Tunnel was punched down to it and Mortimer cursed the
creature in such a way that the earth could no longer hide it or shelter
it’s evil. <br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>iv) <i>Sooty</i>
- used salamanders in a box to provide a time delay distraction while the
party got the slaves out. <br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>v) <i>Albion the
Mad </i>- Controlled the captured mage and sent him back to the orc
encampment with a chaos item.<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>vi)
<i>Grindar</i> - made a special golem for Hamish when he was rendered
‘armless’<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><u>
Winner</u> - <b>Albion <br><br>
</b><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>b)
<b>Bravest<br>
</b><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>i) <i>Dalran
</i>- Had snuck into Hell to tag Furfur’s lieutenants as well as standing
at ‘ground zero’ to trigger an item to trap the demons that were
teleporting in.<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>ii) No vote<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><u>
Winner</u> - <b>Dalran<br><br>
</b><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>c)
<b>Stupidest<br>
</b><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>i) <i>Lucius</i>
- While interrogating, managed to kill the captive and discovered he was
pacted to Foras. Lucius bounced off Foras’s chest as he attempted to exit
the room.<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>ii) <i>Vychan
</i>- To help protect the townsfolk from the undead hordes, elementals
were set up on guard. Vychan wandered next to one, forgetting he is
currently twelve percent undead.<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>iii) <i>Kern</i>.
At the second encounter with the banerock, he thought the Tunnelling idea
was so good, he did it again. Unfortunately the banerock was levitating
and the entire party fell down the hole.<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>iv) <i>Dwork</i>
- Even after being told not to use fire magic in a swamp, he cast a
fireball and blew the entire party up.<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><u>
Winner</u> - <b>Kern<br><br>
</b><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>d)
<b>Best Death<br>
</b><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>i) <i>Dalran</i>
- In the fight with Furfur, Dalran picked up a staff that he knew would
kill him. He was able to teleport to Vahalla with it and died there.
<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>ii) No vote<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><u>
Winner</u> - <b>Dalran<br><br>
</b>3) <u>Star of Alusia<br>
</u><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><i>
Erzabet</i> - Certain artifacts were required to complete the mission.
Beast Rabban and his minions had set up an ambush for the party and were
waiting. Erzabet also suspected the party had been cursed to be rude and,
any mistake here was certain to be fatal. She decided their best chance
was to negotiate and and convinced the rest of the party to stay quiet
and let her do it. With the odds stacked against her she was able to
convince the bad guys that there was something in it for them if the
party survived.<br><br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><u>Vote to
award Star of Alusia to Erzabet </u>- <b>Passed </b>(17/2/5)<br><br>
4) <u>Other Business<br>
</u><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>a)
Engalton reminded new members that Adventurer starter kits from Newhaven
were available.<br>
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Just getting the full Mage Current decision into the minutes to save
possible later confusion:
 

	a) Agree on the interpretation that Mage Current alters / adds to a
normal ship movement rather than replacing normal movement. 

	b) add a note to this effect to the spell description at the next
book printing. Proposed addition is: Carried objects/entities are free to
move within this volume normally, as in a non magical current. This movement
may effectively increase (or decrease) their overall speed or allow them to
exit the effect. 

	c) Reduce the speed increase granted by the spell to: 5 miles per
hour (+1 / 2 full Ranks). 

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Subject: [dq-announce] Guild meeting minutes - Autumn 808WK


Seagate Adventurer's Guild
Autumn 808 WK

0) Pre Guild meeting
        a) Vote taken to accept the new Cazala Guidebook - Passed (8/2/0)
        b) Mage Current. Change to effective speed - Passed (7/0/1)
        c) Procedures. It was noted that our procedures for rulechanges need
to be formalised and updated. Subsequent rule changes should follow the
procedure. The old procedures are to reprinted for revision and a list of
changes that have fallen by the wayside is to be produced to see if anyone
wishes to pick them up.
        d) Erzabet was nominated for Star of Alusia by Jono. For convincing
the rest of the party to let her handle the very delicate negotiations with
Beast Rabbin.

1) Adventures going out
        a) Trials of the Trident (Jono) - Matt Tumbledown requires two more
people for these trials. They will be favoured by the titans and learn
tricks with tridents. Tuesdays, medium/high.
        b) Chasing White Elephants (Bernard) - Someone has attempted to
assassinate the Duke on the Plane of Farway. The party needs to find out who
did it and to do so discretely so that the Duke doesn't end up at war with
the wrong faction.  Thursday or Friday. Medium.
        c) Legacy of Kael (William) - The previous party encountered the
Laughing God. Now they're looking for replacement party members to cure him.
To do this, they have to find the Gods followers, which may be difficult as
worshipping the old elven gods is illegal. The Wild Elves have also been
stirred up. Tuesday, Avondale, Medium
        d) Please can we have our Prince back (Phil) - There is a problem
with the succession and the 4th son is now in line. A party is required to
get him as he is currently adventuring in the mountains. The King is ill and
the older sons can no longer inherent as as they died and were resurrected,
which is also raising doubts on their lineage. So the Prince has to be
brought back alive without dying. Also, only natives to the plane can ascend
to the throne. Require one more person, High.
        e) Melody (Jeff) - need a party for White Raven, A guild party
helped him ascend to Godhood and he has decided on a way to solve the
Icefall problem. Wants a party to 'remove' the universe creators. Two or
three more people required. Wednesday, low/medium.
        f) Travelling ghost (Jim) - Wants some lds to help the boos out to
deal with 'nazis' offplane, Halfway decent folks required and the job
shouldn't take so long. Jim, Immortals game. 

2) Awards
        a) Smartest
                 i) Lath - Undead dust was settling over Brastor so Lath had
the idea of creating a rainstorm and washing it all away.
                 ii) Albion the Mad - The orcs had discovered that the party
were at the top of one of their towers so Albion had the idea of throwing
Lizette off the tower to distract them. In reality they used an orc with an
illusion.
                 iii) Mortimer Graves - The banerock the party were fighting
disappeared into the earth to hide. A Tunnel was punched down to it and
Mortimer cursed the creature in such a way that the earth could no longer
hide it or shelter it's evil. 
                 iv) Sooty - used salamanders in a box to provide a time
delay distraction while the party got the slaves out. 
                 v) Albion the Mad - Controlled the captured mage and sent
him back to the orc encampment with a chaos item.
                 vi) Grindar - made a special golem for Hamish when he was
rendered 'armless'
         Winner - Albion 

        b) Bravest
                 i) Dalran - Had snuck into Hell to tag Furfur's lieutenants
as well as standing at 'ground zero' to trigger an item to trap the demons
that were teleporting in.
                 ii) No vote
         Winner - Dalran

        c) Stupidest
                 i) Lucius - While interrogating, managed to kill the
captive and discovered he was pacted to Foras. Lucius bounced off Foras's
chest as he attempted to exit the room.
                 ii) Vychan - To help protect the townsfolk from the undead
hordes, elementals were set up on guard. Vychan wandered next to one,
forgetting he is currently twelve percent undead.
                 iii) Kern. At the second encounter with the banerock, he
thought the Tunnelling idea was so good, he did it again. Unfortunately the
banerock was levitating and the entire party fell down the hole.
                 iv) Dwork - Even after being told not to use fire magic in
a swamp, he cast a fireball and blew the entire party up.
         Winner - Kern

        d) Best Death
                 i) Dalran - In the fight with Furfur, Dalran picked up a
staff that he knew would kill him. He was able to teleport to Vahalla with
it and died there. 
                 ii) No vote
         Winner - Dalran

3) Star of Alusia
         Erzabet - Certain artifacts were required to complete the mission.
Beast Rabban and his minions had set up an ambush for the party and were
waiting. Erzabet also suspected the party had been cursed to be rude and,
any mistake here was certain to be fatal. She decided their best chance was
to negotiate and and convinced the rest of the party to stay quiet and let
her do it. With the odds stacked against her she was able to convince the
bad guys that there was something in it for them if the party survived.

        Vote to award Star of Alusia to Erzabet - Passed (17/2/5)

4) Other Business
        a) Engalton reminded new members that Adventurer starter kits from
Newhaven were available.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=171302521-10032008>Just 
getting the full Mage Current decision into the minutes to save possible later 
confusion:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>a) Agree on the interpretation that 
<B>Mage Current alters / adds to a normal ship movement rather than replacing 
normal movement</B>. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>b) add a note to this effect to the 
spell description at the next book printing. Proposed addition is: <B>Carried 
objects/entities are free to move within this volume normally, as in a non 
magical current. This movement may effectively increase (or decrease) their 
overall speed or allow them to exit the effect.</B> </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>c)&nbsp;<SPAN 
class=171302521-10032008>R</SPAN>educ<SPAN class=171302521-10032008>e</SPAN> the 
speed increase granted by the spell to: <B>5 miles per hour (+1 / 2 full 
Ranks)</B>. </FONT></P></DIR></DIR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
  dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz]<B>On 
  Behalf Of </B>Keith Smith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 11 March 2008 
  10:17<BR><B>To:</B> dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> [dq-announce] 
  Guild meeting minutes - Autumn 808WK<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV align=center><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" size=6><B>Seagate Adventurer's 
  Guild<BR></FONT><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica">Autumn 808 WK<BR></B></DIV>0) 
  <U>Pre Guild 
  meeting<BR></U><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>a) 
  Vote taken to accept the new Cazala Guidebook - Passed 
  (8/2/0)<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>b) 
  Mage Current. Change to effective speed - Passed 
  (7/0/1)<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>c) 
  Procedures. It was noted that our procedures for rulechanges need to be 
  formalised and updated. Subsequent rule changes should follow the procedure. 
  The old procedures are to reprinted for revision and a list of changes that 
  have fallen by the wayside is to be produced to see if anyone wishes to pick 
  them up.<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>d) 
  Erzabet was nominated for Star of Alusia by Jono. For convincing the rest of 
  the party to let her handle the very delicate negotiations with Beast 
  Rabbin.<BR><BR>1) <U>Adventures going 
  out<BR></U><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>a) 
  <I>Trials of the Trident </I>(Jono) - Matt Tumbledown requires two more people 
  for these trials. They will be favoured by the titans and learn tricks with 
  tridents. Tuesdays, 
  medium/high.<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>b) 
  <I>Chasing White Elephants </I>(Bernard) - Someone has attempted to 
  assassinate the Duke on the Plane of Farway. The party needs to find out who 
  did it and to do so discretely so that the Duke doesn't end up at war with the 
  wrong faction.&nbsp; Thursday or Friday. 
  Medium.<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>c) 
  <I>Legacy of Kael </I>(William) - The previous party encountered the Laughing 
  God. Now they're looking for replacement party members to cure him. To do 
  this, they have to find the Gods followers, which may be difficult as 
  worshipping the old elven gods is illegal. The Wild Elves have also been 
  stirred up. Tuesday, Avondale, 
  Medium<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>d) 
  <I>Please can we have our Prince back </I>(Phil) - There is a problem with the 
  succession and the 4</FONT><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" 
  size=1><SUP>th</SUP></FONT> <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica">son is now in line. 
  A party is required to get him as he is currently adventuring in the 
  mountains. The King is ill and the older sons can no longer inherent as as 
  they died and were resurrected, which is also raising doubts on their lineage. 
  So the Prince has to be brought back alive without dying. Also, only natives 
  to the plane can ascend to the throne. Require one more person, 
  High.<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>e) 
  Melody (Jeff) - need a party for White Raven, A guild party helped him ascend 
  to Godhood and he has decided on a way to solve the Icefall problem. Wants a 
  party to 'remove' the universe creators. Two or three more people required. 
  Wednesday, 
  low/medium.<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>f) 
  Travelling ghost (Jim) - Wants some lds to help the boos out to deal with 
  'nazis' offplane, Halfway decent folks required and the job shouldn't take so 
  long. Jim, Immortals game. <BR><BR>2)<U> 
  Awards<BR></U><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>a) 
  <B>Smartest<BR></B><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><X-TAB> 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>i) <I>Lath</I> - 
  Undead dust was settling over Brastor so Lath had the idea of creating a 
  rainstorm and washing it all 
  away.<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><X-TAB> 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>ii) <I>Albion the Mad 
  </I>- The orcs had discovered that the party were at the top of one of their 
  towers so Albion had the idea of throwing Lizette off the tower to distract 
  them. In reality they used an orc with an 
  illusion.<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><X-TAB> 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>iii) <I>Mortimer 
  Graves </I>- The banerock the party were fighting disappeared into the earth 
  to hide. A Tunnel was punched down to it and Mortimer cursed the creature in 
  such a way that the earth could no longer hide it or shelter it's evil. 
  <BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><X-TAB> 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>iv) <I>Sooty</I> - 
  used salamanders in a box to provide a time delay distraction while the party 
  got the slaves out. 
  <BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><X-TAB> 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>v) <I>Albion the Mad 
  </I>- Controlled the captured mage and sent him back to the orc encampment 
  with a chaos 
  item.<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><X-TAB> 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>vi) <I>Grindar</I> - 
  made a special golem for Hamish when he was rendered 
  'armless'<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><U> 
  Winner</U> - <B>Albion 
  <BR><BR></B><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>b) 
  <B>Bravest<BR></B><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><X-TAB> 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>i) <I>Dalran </I>- Had 
  snuck into Hell to tag Furfur's lieutenants as well as standing at 'ground 
  zero' to trigger an item to trap the demons that were teleporting 
  in.<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><X-TAB> 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>ii) No 
  vote<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><U> 
  Winner</U> - 
  <B>Dalran<BR><BR></B><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>c) 
  <B>Stupidest<BR></B><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><X-TAB> 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>i) <I>Lucius</I> - 
  While interrogating, managed to kill the captive and discovered he was pacted 
  to Foras. Lucius bounced off Foras's chest as he attempted to exit the 
  room.<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><X-TAB> 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>ii) <I>Vychan </I>- To 
  help protect the townsfolk from the undead hordes, elementals were set up on 
  guard. Vychan wandered next to one, forgetting he is currently twelve percent 
  undead.<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><X-TAB> 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>iii) <I>Kern</I>. At 
  the second encounter with the banerock, he thought the Tunnelling idea was so 
  good, he did it again. Unfortunately the banerock was levitating and the 
  entire party fell down the 
  hole.<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><X-TAB> 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>iv) <I>Dwork</I> - 
  Even after being told not to use fire magic in a swamp, he cast a fireball and 
  blew the entire party 
  up.<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><U> 
  Winner</U> - 
  <B>Kern<BR><BR></B><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>d) 
  <B>Best 
  Death<BR></B><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><X-TAB> 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>i) <I>Dalran</I> - In 
  the fight with Furfur, Dalran picked up a staff that he knew would kill him. 
  He was able to teleport to Vahalla with it and died there. 
  <BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><X-TAB> 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>ii) No 
  vote<BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><U> 
  Winner</U> - <B>Dalran<BR><BR></B>3) <U>Star of 
  Alusia<BR></U><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><I> 
  Erzabet</I> - Certain artifacts were required to complete the mission. Beast 
  Rabban and his minions had set up an ambush for the party and were waiting. 
  Erzabet also suspected the party had been cursed to be rude and, any mistake 
  here was certain to be fatal. She decided their best chance was to negotiate 
  and and convinced the rest of the party to stay quiet and let her do it. With 
  the odds stacked against her she was able to convince the bad guys that there 
  was something in it for them if the party 
  survived.<BR><BR><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB><U>Vote 
  to award Star of Alusia to Erzabet </U>- <B>Passed </B>(17/2/5)<BR><BR>4) 
  <U>Other 
  Business<BR></U><X-TAB>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</X-TAB>a) 
  Engalton reminded new members that Adventurer starter kits from Newhaven were 
  available.<BR>
  <DIV align=center><B>Meeting 
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Subject[dq] Ships etc ...
FromKeith Smith
DateTue, 11 Mar 2008 12:50:11 +1300
For one of my PC's .. I'm looking for the price of a houseboat 
(something like the barges that go up and down the canals). Doesn't 
have to be new .. a fixer-upper will do. After all, it's not going 
anywhere, just going to be sitting by a dock in a tidal swamp near the sea.

Anyway, while trying to find this I looked in both our Players Guide 
and GMs Guide and under Ships - both were referring to the Ships 
Supplement.  Did one actually come out and, if so, could someone 
please send me a copy as I can't find it.

Thanks

Keith


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SubjectRe: [dq] Ships etc ...
FromErrol Cavit
DateTue, 11 Mar 2008 13:16:05 +1300
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Don't know about the Ships supplement, but Andrew put some examples on the
Wiki under 'Ships'.

While on the subject, I have a high-quality coffee-table book from the
Auckland Museum on Pacific exploration and settlement. Quite a bit about
different canoe designs, navigation methods etc, let me know if you want to
take a look sometime.

Cheers
Errol

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> Keith Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2008 12:50
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Subject: [dq] Ships etc ... 
> 
> 
> For one of my PC's .. I'm looking for the price of a houseboat 
> (something like the barges that go up and down the canals). Doesn't 
> have to be new .. a fixer-upper will do. After all, it's not going 
> anywhere, just going to be sitting by a dock in a tidal swamp 
> near the sea.
> 
> Anyway, while trying to find this I looked in both our Players Guide 
> and GMs Guide and under Ships - both were referring to the Ships 
> Supplement.  Did one actually come out and, if so, could someone 
> please send me a copy as I can't find it.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Keith
> 
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Don't know about the Ships supplement, but Andrew put =
some examples on the Wiki under 'Ships'.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>While on the subject, I have a high-quality =
coffee-table book from the Auckland Museum on Pacific exploration and =
settlement. Quite a bit about different canoe designs, navigation =
methods etc, let me know if you want to take a look =
sometime.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Errol</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; For one of my PC's .. I'm looking for the price =
of a houseboat </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; (something like the barges that go up and down =
the canals). Doesn't </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; have to be new .. a fixer-upper will do. After =
all, it's not going </FONT>
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a tidal swamp </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; near the sea.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Anyway, while trying to find this I looked in =
both our Players Guide </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; and GMs Guide and under Ships - both were =
referring to the Ships </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Supplement.&nbsp; Did one actually come out =
and, if so, could someone </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; please send me a copy as I can't find =
it.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Thanks</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Ships etc ...
FromStephen Martin
DateTue, 11 Mar 2008 13:17:50 +1300 (NZDT)
I suggest you start here:
http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Ships

or more specifically for the pricing:
http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Ships#Ship_Size


Keith Smith wrote:
> For one of my PC's .. I'm looking for the price of a houseboat
> (something like the barges that go up and down the canals). Doesn't
> have to be new .. a fixer-upper will do. After all, it's not going
> anywhere, just going to be sitting by a dock in a tidal swamp near the sea.
>
> Anyway, while trying to find this I looked in both our Players Guide
> and GMs Guide and under Ships - both were referring to the Ships
> Supplement.  Did one actually come out and, if so, could someone
> please send me a copy as I can't find it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Keith
>
>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Ships etc ...
FromHelen Saggers
DateTue, 11 Mar 2008 16:17:54 +1300
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Must be an old GMs Guide cKeith ause I have some stuff on Ships in mine =
on pages 21-24.

Speaking of Ships=20

While trolling around the Net looking for data on the speeds of old =
sailing vessels I had problems finding hard data on the speeds of the =
various types of vessels because if speeds were given it was usually a =
max and gave no indication of how strong a wind was needed to get this.
Then I found this paper on the sailing properties of the Hanse Cog they =
dug out of the mud in some Port and used both wind tunnel and sea trials =
with a replica to get the data for.
While most of the speed stuff was in mathematical formulas they had =
produced a very nice table which showed the ships average speed over all =
courses to the wind in relation to wind speed. And roughly it worked out =
that the speed of this boat in knots was roughly the same as the Force =
of the wind. i.e. that in a force 4 wind it averaged  4 knots as it =
tacked along and in a force 6 wind it averaged 6=20
The stuff below is copied from this report
A Hanse cog was discovered during dredging work in the port of Bremen in =
1962. The cog's construction was dated to the year 1380 by means of =
dendrochronological analysis. Until this finding was made, virtually =
nothing was known about the shape and rigging of Hanse cogs. The sole =
source for information on their appearance had been illustrations on =
seal impressions, which provide only an approximate idea. Accounts of =
possible traveling speeds vary greatly, i.e. between 3.3 and 10 knots; =
data on weather conditions and wind directions are completely absent =
from reports.=20

The Hanse cog's average statistical speeds for all courses to the wind, =
calculated from the readings, were:

      Beaufort  average ship=20
      speed over all=20
      courses to the wind=20
    =20
      3 3.4 kn
    =20
      4
     4.0 kn
    =20
      5
     5.1 kn
    =20
      6
     6.0 kn=20

Sailing on a reach with a wind of Bft. 7, the ship attained a speed of 8 =
knots for short periods; this reading corresponds to a Froude number of =
0.3.=20

I have a similar top speed for Longships of 8 knots... Looking at this I =
suspect its because no one is game to go sailing in anything more than a =
force 7 or so gale, higher winds are storm conditions.=20

As the subject of Mage wind as a means of moving a vessel was put =
forward at the gods meeting this data gives you all an Idea of why I =
said that Mage wind is no problem and even using both the boats max =
sailing speed is its unchanged as Sailing Ships don't go the wind speed. =


Mage wind only gets strong enough for a good strong breeze at max rank =
(force 6), and this relationship between sailing speed and wind force =
means that all the air mage is able to give the ship is the Idea wind to =
get its max speed from.( A good strong breeze being what the GMs Guide =
means by 'fair conditions, IMO.)

Where the mage has less than max rank you can use the winds Force to =
guestimate the proportion of the max speed you can achieve. e.g. at rank =
0 the wind speed is 5 mph or force 2 so 2/6th of max speed: or  at rank =
6 it would be 11mph or force 3 so ship speed is 3/6 or 1/2 max sailing =
speed.

Thus we get some nice rules of  thumb for GMing sailing ships the =
Average speed of a ship in a natural (but not ideal) wind is the wind =
force and the speed of a ship under an Ideal or mage wind  is its 1/6th =
its max speed x the force of that wind.

Helen

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Must be an old GMs =
Guide cKeith ause=20
I have some stuff on Ships in mine on pages 21-24.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Speaking of Ships =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>While trolling around =
the Net looking=20
for data on the speeds of old sailing vessels I had problems finding =
hard data=20
on the speeds of&nbsp;the various&nbsp;types of vessels because if =
speeds were=20
given it was usually a max and gave no indication of how strong a wind =
was=20
needed to get this.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Then&nbsp;I =
found&nbsp;this paper on=20
the sailing properties of the Hanse Cog they dug out of the mud in=20
some&nbsp;Port and used both&nbsp;wind tunnel&nbsp;and sea trials with a =
replica=20
to get the data for.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>While most of the speed =
stuff was in=20
mathematical formulas they had produced a very nice table which showed =
the ships=20
average speed over all&nbsp;courses to the wind in relation to wind =
speed. And=20
roughly it worked out that the speed of this boat in knots was roughly =
the same=20
as the&nbsp;Force of the wind. i.e. that in a force&nbsp;4 wind=20
it&nbsp;averaged&nbsp;&nbsp;4 knots as it tacked along and in a force 6 =
wind it=20
averaged 6 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The stuff below is =
copied from this=20
report</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A Hanse cog was discovered during =
dredging work in=20
the port of Bremen in 1962. The cog's construction was dated to the year =
1380 by=20
means of dendrochronological analysis. Until this finding was made, =
virtually=20
nothing was known about the shape and rigging of Hanse cogs. The sole =
source for=20
information on their appearance had been illustrations on seal =
impressions,=20
which provide only an approximate idea. Accounts of possible traveling =
speeds=20
vary greatly, i.e. between 3.3 and 10 knots; data on weather conditions =
and wind=20
directions are completely absent from reports. </FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Hanse cog's average statistical =
speeds for all=20
courses to the wind, calculated from the readings, were:</FONT></P>
<CENTER>
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  <TR>
    <TD><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Beaufort </FONT></TD>
    <TD>
      <CENTER>
      <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>average ship <BR>speed over all =
<BR>courses to=20
      the wind </FONT></P></CENTER></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD vAlign=3Dcenter align=3Dmiddle><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>3</FONT></TD>
    <TD>
      <CENTER>
      <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3.4 =
kn</FONT></P></CENTER></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>
      <CENTER>
      <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4</FONT></P></CENTER></TD>
    <TD>
      <CENTER>
      <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4.0 =
kn</FONT></P></CENTER></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>
      <CENTER>
      <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>5</FONT></P></CENTER></TD>
    <TD>
      <CENTER>
      <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>5.1 =
kn</FONT></P></CENTER></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>
      <CENTER>
      <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>6</FONT></P></CENTER></TD>
    <TD vAlign=3Dcenter align=3Dmiddle><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>6.0=20
  kn</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sailing on a reach with a wind of Bft. 7, =
the ship=20
attained a speed of 8 knots for short periods; this reading corresponds =
to a=20
Froude number of 0.3. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I<FONT color=3D#0000ff> have a similar =
top speed for=20
Longships of 8 knots... Looking at this I suspect its because no one is =
game to=20
go sailing in anything more than a force 7 or so gale, higher winds are =
storm=20
conditions. </FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>As the subject of Mage =
wind as a means=20
of moving a vessel was put forward at the gods meeting this data =
gives&nbsp;you=20
all an Idea of why I said that Mage wind is no problem and even using =
both the=20
boats max sailing speed is its unchanged as <STRONG>Sailing Ships don't =
go the=20
wind speed. </STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Mage wind only gets =
strong enough for a=20
good strong breeze at max rank (force 6), and this relationship between =
sailing=20
speed and wind force means that all the air mage is able to give the =
ship is the=20
Idea wind to get its max speed from.(&nbsp;A good strong breeze =
being&nbsp;what=20
the GMs Guide means by 'fair conditions, IMO.)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Where the mage has less =
than max rank=20
you can use the winds&nbsp;Force to guestimate the proportion of the max =
speed=20
you can achieve. e.g. at rank 0 the wind speed is 5 mph or force 2 so =
2/6th of=20
max speed: or&nbsp; at rank 6 it would be 11mph or force 3 so ship speed =
is 3/6=20
or 1/2 max sailing speed.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><STRONG>Thus we get some =
nice rules=20
of&nbsp; thumb for GMing sailing ships the Average speed of&nbsp;a =
ship&nbsp;in=20
a natural (but not ideal) wind is the wind force and the speed of a ship =
under=20
an Ideal or&nbsp;mage wind&nbsp; is its 1/6th its max speed x the force =
of that=20
wind.</STRONG></FONT></P>
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