can he scan the scribe notes and maybe we can get them incorporated into the wiki

Ian



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Martin Dickson wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Chris Caulfield 
> <chriscaulf@gmail.com <mailto:chriscaulf@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>    Ian will I'm sure find the scribe notes with more details ;)
>
>
> FWIW Ian, from Mary-M's guild character data:
>
> Adventure Name:     Disappearing Lake
> Session:     787-3: Winter (Oct 1986ap)
> GM:     Unknown
> Mission Precis:     {GM may have been Greg Taylor, could be Delf I}
>
>
> Would fit with the entry in the Library of:
>
> *Summer 789 WK (Apr '88 AP)*
> Delf 2 - Insect World     Greg Taylor     Ian(IsilEth)
>
>
Thank you, Martin!

With that clue Keith has found the hand-written scribe notes for Delph 2 
and Delph 3 in storage. This will allow me to maintain a certain level 
of consistency - and fix the map to reflect what's described. I'm fairly 
confident I can fit everything in that I need.... from what he's read to 
me so far.

Jacqui


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> can he scan the scribe notes and maybe we can get them incorporated into
> the wiki

Considering what they were written on (old diary pages) ... and the colour
of the ink etc, they won't scan well ... might be able to scan the
typewritten stuff but need to find decent OCR software.

Probably be easier to manually transcribe them.

Keith


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if you can photocopy them so someone else can transcribe them then surely you can scan them.
or jsut take a photo of them.

Ian



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Subject: Re: [dq] Delph


> can he scan the scribe notes and maybe we can get them incorporated into
> the wiki

Considering what they were written on (old diary pages) ... and the colour
of the ink etc, they won't scan well ... might be able to scan the
typewritten stuff but need to find decent OCR software.

Probably be easier to manually transcribe them.

Keith


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just looked at the climate map of alusia, 
http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Climate_of_Alusia

and it has a world map of alusia showing the dominant vegetation type.

Deplh has Savanna in the north, desert in the southwest and evergreen hardwood in the east.
no jungle. tropical rainforest is east of there.

Now that is not quite what i would expect from the map of oceanic currents but what the hey. 
it is possible to have sporadic vegetation at 5o south, but real desert? hmm.
the desert could be due to something other than climate, such as sulphourous gases emited from volcanic origins, or salt inundation, magic, or old Cathage. 

the bottom line is that Delph does not have jungle, and other places are better contenders for jungle.

Ian



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Sent: Tuesday, 10 March, 2009 11:44:57 AM
Subject: Re: [dq] Delph

Helen Saggers wrote:
> The Great Lakes of Delph !!
> 
> Those shapes are probably inland seas of the order of the great lakes in North America
> Considering the Island is maybe just a bit smaller than Australia.
> 
> Looking at the last map on the Alusian map page only the east of the Island is forest/jungle the west is desert and savanna.
> 
> The latitudes are of both Delph and  New Guinea are close to the same and as the wikipedia has this to say about the New Guinea.
> 
> "New Guinea contains many of the world’s ecosystem types: glacial, alpine tundra, savanna, montane and lowland rainforest, mangroves, wetlands, lake and river ecosystems, seagrasses, and some of the richest coral reefs on the planet."
>  
Hmm....

It sounds very much as if Ian's recollections of the place as Greg Taylor had it are inconsistent with what is drawn on the wiki...

Are there any objections to my altering the geography to fit Ian's descriptions (and what makes more geographical sense), while retaining the basic shape of the island as depicted?

I'd be looking at more jungle, a central mountain range, with desert more likely to the east of the mountains.

Jacqui


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Ian Wood wrote:
> just looked at the climate map of alusia, 
> http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Climate_of_Alusia
>
> and it has a world map of alusia showing the dominant vegetation type.
>
> Deplh has Savanna in the north, desert in the southwest and evergreen hardwood in the east.
> no jungle. tropical rainforest is east of there.
>
> Now that is not quite what i would expect from the map of oceanic currents but what the hey. 
> it is possible to have sporadic vegetation at 5o south, but real desert? hmm.
> the desert could be due to something other than climate, such as sulphourous gases emited from volcanic origins, or salt inundation, magic, or old Cathage. 
>
> the bottom line is that Delph does not have jungle, and other places are better contenders for jungle.
>   
I think the contention is that the Alusia map is inconsistent with the 
earlier descriptions of the place. Easily explained on the basis that 
whoever coloured in the map probably didn't have access to those 
descriptions. It's also inconsistent with the outline map, and the brief 
description currently in the wiki, never mind the geography we'd expect.

I'll go with those descriptions, produce a more detailed map for the 
island itself, and post that.

Jacqui


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Its also those slack cartographers who I'm sure were cunningly paid per
square mile of coastline drawn or some other scam and thus lots of maps are
quite different once you visit the area vs whats detailed on the world maps
;-)


On 3/11/09, Jacqui Smith <flamis@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
> Ian Wood wrote:
>
>> just looked at the climate map of alusia,
>> http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Climate_of_Alusia
>>
>> and it has a world map of alusia showing the dominant vegetation type.
>>
>> Deplh has Savanna in the north, desert in the southwest and evergreen
>> hardwood in the east.
>> no jungle. tropical rainforest is east of there.
>>
>> Now that is not quite what i would expect from the map of oceanic currents
>> but what the hey. it is possible to have sporadic vegetation at 5o south,
>> but real desert? hmm.
>> the desert could be due to something other than climate, such as
>> sulphourous gases emited from volcanic origins, or salt inundation, magic,
>> or old Cathage.
>> the bottom line is that Delph does not have jungle, and other places are
>> better contenders for jungle.
>>
>>
> I think the contention is that the Alusia map is inconsistent with the
> earlier descriptions of the place. Easily explained on the basis that
> whoever coloured in the map probably didn't have access to those
> descriptions. It's also inconsistent with the outline map, and the brief
> description currently in the wiki, never mind the geography we'd expect.
>
> I'll go with those descriptions, produce a more detailed map for the island
> itself, and post that.
>
> Jacqui
>
>
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d per square mile of coastline drawn or some other scam and thus lots of ma=
ps are quite different once you visit the area vs whats detailed on the wor=
ld maps ;-)</div>

<div><br>=A0</div>
<div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 3/11/09, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">=
Jacqui Smith</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:flamis@ihug.co.nz">flamis@ihug.co.nz=
</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><span class=3D"q">Ian Wood wrote=
:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">just looked at the climate map o=
f alusia, <a onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href=
=3D"http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Climate_of_Alusia" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Climate_of_Alus=
ia</a><br>
<br>and it has a world map of alusia showing the dominant vegetation type.<=
br><br>Deplh has Savanna in the north, desert in the southwest and evergree=
n hardwood in the east.<br>no jungle. tropical rainforest is east of there.=
<br>
<br>Now that is not quite what i would expect from the map of oceanic curre=
nts but what the hey. it is possible to have sporadic vegetation at 5o sout=
h, but real desert? hmm.<br>the desert could be due to something other than=
 climate, such as sulphourous gases emited from volcanic origins, or salt i=
nundation, magic, or old Cathage. <br>
the bottom line is that Delph does not have jungle, and other places are be=
tter contenders for jungle.<br>=A0<br></blockquote></span>I think the conte=
ntion is that the Alusia map is inconsistent with the earlier descriptions =
of the place. Easily explained on the basis that whoever coloured in the ma=
p probably didn&#39;t have access to those descriptions. It&#39;s also inco=
nsistent with the outline map, and the brief description currently in the w=
iki, never mind the geography we&#39;d expect.<br>
<br>I&#39;ll go with those descriptions, produce a more detailed map for th=
e island itself, and post that.=20
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Perhaps rather than invalidating a continental map, you could use the tropi=
cal rainforest on the mainland coast E of Delph instead?=A0 Tropical Rainfo=
rest & Jungle are fairly similar so I'm sure swathes of that Tropical Rainf=
orest would be jungle.=A0 Still the same distance away and even in the same=
 neighbourhood.

Just seems a shame to waste all the hard work that went into it simply beca=
use of one set of scribe notes.=A0 After all, they played with a god-mind o=
f mind mages, who's to say anything they remember is real :P.

From Bernard Hoggins

nevyn0ad@yahoo.co.uk

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From: Jacqui Smith <flamis@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [dq] Delph
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Received: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009, 2:27 PM

Ian Wood wrote:
> just looked at the climate map of alusia,
http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Climate_of_Alusia
>=20
> and it has a world map of alusia showing the dominant vegetation type.
>=20
> Deplh has Savanna in the north, desert in the southwest and evergreen
hardwood in the east.
> no jungle. tropical rainforest is east of there.
>=20
> Now that is not quite what i would expect from the map of oceanic current=
s
but what the hey. it is possible to have sporadic vegetation at 5o south, b=
ut
real desert? hmm.
> the desert could be due to something other than climate, such as
sulphourous gases emited from volcanic origins, or salt inundation, magic, =
or
old Cathage.=20
> the bottom line is that Delph does not have jungle, and other places are
better contenders for jungle.
>  =20
I think the contention is that the Alusia map is inconsistent with the earl=
ier
descriptions of the place. Easily explained on the basis that whoever colou=
red
in the map probably didn't have access to those descriptions. It's also
inconsistent with the outline map, and the brief description currently in t=
he
wiki, never mind the geography we'd expect.

I'll go with those descriptions, produce a more detailed map for the island
itself, and post that.

Jacqui


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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Perhaps rather than invalidating a continenta=
l map, you could use the tropical rainforest on the mainland coast E of Del=
ph instead?&nbsp; Tropical Rainforest &amp; Jungle are fairly similar so I'=
m sure swathes of that Tropical Rainforest would be jungle.&nbsp; Still the=
 same distance away and even in the same neighbourhood.<br><br>Just seems a=
 shame to waste all the hard work that went into it simply because of one s=
et of scribe notes.&nbsp; After all, they played with a god-mind of mind ma=
ges, who's to say anything they remember is real :P.<br><br>From Bernard Ho=
ggins<br>
nevyn0ad@yahoo.co.uk<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 11/3/09, Jacqui Smith <i>&lt;fla=
mis@ihug.co.nz&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px =
solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Jacqui =
Smith &lt;flamis@ihug.co.nz&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [dq] Delph<br>To: dq@dq.sf.=
org.nz<br>Received: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009, 2:27 PM<br><br><pre>Ian Wood=
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gonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Climate_of_Alusia<br>&gt; <br>&gt; and it =
has a world map of alusia showing the dominant vegetation type.<br>&gt; <br=
>&gt; Deplh has Savanna in the north, desert in the southwest and evergreen=
<br>hardwood in the east.<br>&gt; no jungle. tropical rainforest is east of=
 there.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Now that is not quite what i would expect from the=
 map of oceanic currents<br>but what the hey. it is possible to have sporad=
ic vegetation at 5o south, but<br>real desert? hmm.<br>&gt; the desert
 could be due to something other than climate, such as<br>sulphourous gases=
 emited from volcanic origins, or salt inundation, magic, or<br>old Cathage=
. <br>&gt; the bottom line is that Delph does not have jungle, and other pl=
aces are<br>better contenders for jungle.<br>&gt;   <br>I think the content=
ion is that the Alusia map is inconsistent with the earlier<br>descriptions=
 of the place. Easily explained on the basis that whoever coloured<br>in th=
e map probably didn't have access to those descriptions. It's also<br>incon=
sistent with the outline map, and the brief description currently in the<br=
>wiki, never mind the geography we'd expect.<br><br>I'll go with those desc=
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Yes - it can be only a matter of perspective as to what it gets called.

When overseas, I often referred to New Zealand so-called "bush" as
rainforest or jungle, depending on audience and where I'm talking
about.  A lot of people equate "bush" to something that grows in a pot
on the ledge of their 12th floor apartment!

Neil.

2009/3/11 Bernard Hoggins <nevyn0ad@yahoo.co.uk>:
> Perhaps rather than invalidating a continental map, you could use the
> tropical rainforest on the mainland coast E of Delph instead?  Tropical
> Rainforest & Jungle are fairly similar so I'm sure swathes of that Tropical
> Rainforest would be jungle.  Still the same distance away and even in the
> same neighbourhood.
>
> Just seems a shame to waste all the hard work that went into it simply
> because of one set of scribe notes.  After all, they played with a god-mind
> of mind mages, who's to say anything they remember is real :P.
>
> From Bernard Hoggins
> nevyn0ad@yahoo.co.uk
>
> --- On Wed, 11/3/09, Jacqui Smith <flamis@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
> From: Jacqui Smith <flamis@ihug.co.nz>
> Subject: Re: [dq] Delph
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Received: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009, 2:27 PM
>
> Ian Wood wrote:
>> just looked at the climate map of alusia,
> http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Climate_of_Alusia
>>
>> and it has a world map of alusia showing the dominant vegetation type.
>>
>> Deplh has Savanna in the north, desert in the southwest and evergreen
> hardwood in the east.
>> no jungle. tropical rainforest is east of there.
>>
>> Now that is not quite what i would expect from the map of oceanic currents
> but what the hey. it is possible to have sporadic vegetation at 5o south,
> but
> real desert? hmm.
>> the desert
>  could be due to something other than climate, such as
> sulphourous gases emited from volcanic origins, or salt inundation, magic,
> or
> old Cathage.
>> the bottom line is that Delph does not have jungle, and other places are
> better contenders for jungle.
>>
> I think the contention is that the Alusia map is inconsistent with the
> earlier
> descriptions of the place. Easily explained on the basis that whoever
> coloured
> in the map probably didn't have access to those descriptions. It's also
> inconsistent with the outline map, and the brief description currently in
> the
> wiki, never mind the geography we'd expect.
>
> I'll go with those descriptions, produce a more detailed map for the island
> itself, and post that.
>
> Jacqui
>
>
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I think the current climate map may have been produced using Australia as a 
model.
Trouble is Aussy is much further south (and not next to another large 
landmass)

The climate looks to me to be just that bit too subtropical in what is a 
tropic region
The desert shown is large, such deserts tend in the real world to be just 
outside of those tropic regions.
Deserts in tropic regions  tend to be caused by a small regional anomaly 
e.g. the high alpine deserts in New guinea due to being above most of the 
clouds or as Ian says sulphurous gases emitted from volcanic origins.

I suppose if there was a really big active volcanic field  it might cause 
such a desert.
As for the scribe notes, if they say jungle... well my dictionary defines 
jungle as - land overgrown with tangled vegetation, esp. in the tropics.
Tropical Rainforest & Jungle are by that definition interchangeable and as 
Neil says New Zealand has a lot of 'jungle', true old growth NZ bush and you 
can be lost in under 10 meters from the Road and we are sub tropical.....

Also the map is a guide as to what types of vegetation are found where, a 
way to get some sort of consistency into the multi GM campaign. As Chris 
says the cartographers could be wrong after all they have never been there 
unlike the scribes on the adventures. Maps of most of the interiors of the 
large land masses on this world were incomplete or best guess until last 
century, space flight filled a lot of voids and fixed a lot of errors.

Helen

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Subject: Re: [dq] Delph


> I think the contention is that the Alusia map is inconsistent with the 
> earlier descriptions of the place. Easily explained on the basis that 
> whoever coloured in the map probably didn't have access to those 
> descriptions. It's also inconsistent with the outline map, and the brief 
> description currently in the wiki, never mind the geography we'd expect.
>
> I'll go with those descriptions, produce a more detailed map for the 
> island itself, and post that.
>
> Jacqui
>
>
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sent on behalf of Errol,

I'm fairly sure that Jon doesn't claim exclusive use of all of Mungodia - I get the feeling that he did some stuff on the eastern edge?
Also, the description of Delph on the Wiki is just what I wrote (to set up a fairly consistent structure for the geographic entries) after looking at the map and searching for "Delph" (hence ref to Five Sisters and query to Mandos). If I'd thought about scale I'd probably have said "large island (some say small continent)... ".
Finally, aren't quite significant parts of the map in current use inconsistent with 20 year old scribe notes? :-) 
We could move the actual location of Delf I-III to Mungodia! :-) 
Errol 


 


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Sent: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009 3:06:34 PM
Subject: Re: [dq] Delph

I think the current climate map may have been produced using Australia as a model.
Trouble is Aussy is much further south (and not next to another large landmass)

The climate looks to me to be just that bit too subtropical in what is a tropic region
The desert shown is large, such deserts tend in the real world to be just outside of those tropic regions.
Deserts in tropic regions  tend to be caused by a small regional anomaly e.g. the high alpine deserts in New guinea due to being above most of the clouds or as Ian says sulphurous gases emitted from volcanic origins.

I suppose if there was a really big active volcanic field  it might cause such a desert.
As for the scribe notes, if they say jungle... well my dictionary defines jungle as - land overgrown with tangled vegetation, esp. in the tropics.
Tropical Rainforest & Jungle are by that definition interchangeable and as Neil says New Zealand has a lot of 'jungle', true old growth NZ bush and you can be lost in under 10 meters from the Road and we are sub tropical.....

Also the map is a guide as to what types of vegetation are found where, a way to get some sort of consistency into the multi GM campaign. As Chris says the cartographers could be wrong after all they have never been there unlike the scribes on the adventures. Maps of most of the interiors of the large land masses on this world were incomplete or best guess until last century, space flight filled a lot of voids and fixed a lot of errors.

Helen

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Subject: Re: [dq] Delph


> I think the contention is that the Alusia map is inconsistent with the earlier descriptions of the place. Easily explained on the basis that whoever coloured in the map probably didn't have access to those descriptions. It's also inconsistent with the outline map, and the brief description currently in the wiki, never mind the geography we'd expect.
> 
> I'll go with those descriptions, produce a more detailed map for the island itself, and post that.
> 
> Jacqui
> 
> 
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what the hey. it is possible to have sporadic vegetation at 5o south, but=
=0Areal desert? hmm.=0A> the desert=0A could be due to something other than=
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es not have jungle, and other places are=0Abetter contenders for jungle.=0A=
>   =0AI think the contention is that the Alusia map is inconsistent with t=
he earlier=0Adescriptions of the place. Easily explained on the basis that =
whoever coloured=0Ain the map probably didn't have access to those descript=
ions. It's also=0Ainconsistent with the outline map, and the brief descript=
ion currently in the=0Awiki, never mind the geography we'd expect.=0A=0AI'l=
l go with those descriptions, produce a more detailed map for the island=0A=
itself, and post that.=0A=0AJacqui=0A=0A=0A-- to unsubscribe notify mailto:=
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border=3D0>=0A<TBODY>=0A<TR>=0A<TD vAlign=3Dtop>Perhaps rather than invalid=
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and coast E of Delph instead</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>&lt;</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nb=
sp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>that was my point - that Jaquie uses another place that ha=
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that Tropical Rainforest would be jungle.&nbsp; Still the same distance awa=
y and even in the same neighbourhood.<BR><BR>Just seems a shame to waste al=
l the hard work that went into it simply because of one set of scribe notes=
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anything they remember is real :P.<BR><BR>From Bernard Hoggins<BR>nevyn0ad@=
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org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Climate_of_Alusia<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; and it has a wor=
ld map of alusia showing the dominant vegetation type.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Dep=
lh has Savanna in the north, desert in the southwest and evergreen<BR>hardw=
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bly didn't have access to those descriptions. It's also<BR>inconsistent wit=
h the outline map, and the brief description currently in the<BR>wiki, neve=
r mind the geography we'd expect.<BR><BR>I'll go with those descriptions, p=
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Ian Wood wrote:
> >
> Perhaps rather than invalidating a continental map, you could use the 
> tropical rainforest on the mainland coast E of Delph instead
>
> <
>  
> that was my point - that Jaquie uses another place that has jungle 
> rather than changing the map.
> inconsistencies are good as they create plot devices.
>  
>  
> Jaquie, please leave delph alone as i plan to run some adventure there 
> now i know of the weirdness
>  
I'm already well into writing this one, with the assumption that Delph 
would be the location.
This works in view of something that was done by the adventurers in the 
last Rangiwhero adventure, and in terms of transport routes I'm familiar 
with. 

I can use the rainforest on the western side easily enough. After all, 
as Helen says "jungle" is simply another term for "tropical 
rainforest".  I'm more concerned that:
because the scribe notes came first, they should be considered a more 
accurate guide to what is there than the map. This isn't intended as 
disrespect for the mapmaker, more that the  mapmaker didn't have this 
information. As Helen says, it looks more like Australia, whereas the 
scribe notes are saying New Guinea. For one thing, there's meant to be 
an enormous mountain there...

In any case, I won't be using said mountain. Or the Godmind of Delph, 
except in a very peripheral way.

Jacqui


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if it has to be delph, then a way to not change much is to put a dense jungle on the northern edge of teh desert with a very sharp boundary. something not too extensive and the cartographers failed to note.

As i wrote, i would like to use the desert so please leave it there,

Ian



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From: Jacqui Smith <flamis@ihug.co.nz>
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Sent: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009 5:45:24 PM
Subject: Re: [dq] Delph

Ian Wood wrote:
> >
> Perhaps rather than invalidating a continental map, you could use the tropical rainforest on the mainland coast E of Delph instead
> 
> <
>  that was my point - that Jaquie uses another place that has jungle rather than changing the map.
> inconsistencies are good as they create plot devices.
>  Jaquie, please leave delph alone as i plan to run some adventure there now i know of the weirdness
>  
I'm already well into writing this one, with the assumption that Delph would be the location.
This works in view of something that was done by the adventurers in the last Rangiwhero adventure, and in terms of transport routes I'm familiar with. 
I can use the rainforest on the western side easily enough. After all, as Helen says "jungle" is simply another term for "tropical rainforest".  I'm more concerned that:
because the scribe notes came first, they should be considered a more accurate guide to what is there than the map. This isn't intended as disrespect for the mapmaker, more that the  mapmaker didn't have this information. As Helen says, it looks more like Australia, whereas the scribe notes are saying New Guinea. For one thing, there's meant to be an enormous mountain there...

In any case, I won't be using said mountain. Or the Godmind of Delph, except in a very peripheral way.

Jacqui


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Changing Delph to be in line with recorded (and publishable) history, and so
that it is useful for an upcoming adventure, sounds sensible. It's certainly
not "invalidating a continental map". Someone (I don't know who, but thanks,
whoever!) went splodge in different colours over a map, using a fairly good
geographical sense. It's a great start, and presents a default for GMs to
use. GMs can then tweak areas if they want to, and preferably download the
map, re-colour their small area, and upload it again. However, it's just a
set of colours on a picture.


Andrew

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Jacqui Smith
Sent: Wednesday, 11 March 2009 5:45 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Delph

Ian Wood wrote:
> >
> Perhaps rather than invalidating a continental map, you could use the 
> tropical rainforest on the mainland coast E of Delph instead
>
> <
>  
> that was my point - that Jaquie uses another place that has jungle 
> rather than changing the map.
> inconsistencies are good as they create plot devices.
>  
>  
> Jaquie, please leave delph alone as i plan to run some adventure there 
> now i know of the weirdness
>  
I'm already well into writing this one, with the assumption that Delph 
would be the location.
This works in view of something that was done by the adventurers in the 
last Rangiwhero adventure, and in terms of transport routes I'm familiar 
with. 

I can use the rainforest on the western side easily enough. After all, 
as Helen says "jungle" is simply another term for "tropical 
rainforest".  I'm more concerned that:
because the scribe notes came first, they should be considered a more 
accurate guide to what is there than the map. This isn't intended as 
disrespect for the mapmaker, more that the  mapmaker didn't have this 
information. As Helen says, it looks more like Australia, whereas the 
scribe notes are saying New Guinea. For one thing, there's meant to be 
an enormous mountain there...

In any case, I won't be using said mountain. Or the Godmind of Delph, 
except in a very peripheral way.

Jacqui


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Ian Wood wrote:
> if it has to be delph, then a way to not change much is to put a dense jungle on the northern edge of teh desert with a very sharp boundary. something not too extensive and the cartographers failed to note.
>
> As i wrote, i would like to use the desert so please leave it there,
>
>   
The scribe notes for Delph 3 are quite clear that the northern half of 
the island is grasslands (presumably savannah) and lakelands, and the 
south is jungle - the large mountain mentioned in the other set of 
scribe notes can be presumed to be central. That said, there could well 
be some desert to the north-west...

Jacqui


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