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>Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:43:17 +1200
>Subject: overstrengthing question
>From: Neil Davies <nsdavies@gmail.com>
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>Hi,
>
>I always thought that over-strengthing increased the chance of
>breaking your weapon, but I couldn't find any mention of this in the
>rules when reading them recently.
>
>What are the current penalties for over-strengthing, and where are
>they written in the rule book?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Neil.


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>Lizette was supposed to go help with the birthing too. She got 
>missed out of the guild times which I don't mind so much. Just put 
>it in the records she went too in case it comes back one way or another.

Unfortunately ... Lizette missed the ride. According to the posted 
scribe notes, you were still with us on adventure on the 4th of 
Vintage ... the healers left on the first.

Keith


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3.11 Combat: Damage: Additional Damage is the relevant section.

The increased chance of weapon break was removed for the 2000 Edition of the Rules as part of
changes to the Fumble Tables.

Currently the only downside of using extra strength for damage is that you cannot use the extra
damage from skill.
I.e. If you are Rk4+ in a weapon you need 10PS over the minimum required to get a benefit and if
you are Rk8+ in a weapon you need 15PS over the minimum required to get a benefit.


A proposal to add a penalty back in was voted down at the December 2005 GMs Meeeting.

Simple summary of arguments for & against re-applying penalties:

For: There should be some penalty/trade-off to using high PS otherwise it will be done all the
time escalating damage done in melee.  WoS SOS SoD all add to PS making it easy to get additional
damage.

Against: High AG/MD/EN are not penalised, they only provide benefits.  It is penalising one
class/style of fighter to penalise (or offer no benefit for) high PS, a stat that should be
important to combat and should add to damage.


Cheers, Stephen.

Keith Smith wrote:
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>>Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:43:17 +1200
>>Subject: overstrengthing question
>>From: Neil Davies <nsdavies@gmail.com>
>>To: dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz
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>>Hi,
>>
>>I always thought that over-strengthing increased the chance of
>>breaking your weapon, but I couldn't find any mention of this in the
>>rules when reading them recently.
>>
>>What are the current penalties for over-strengthing, and where are
>>they written in the rule book?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Neil.
>
>
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Thanks Stephen..

Given I have a character obsessed with strength, I wanted to find an
in-game purpose for choosing high PS other than just bench-pressing
bigger weights.

Cheers!

Neil.
2009/6/15 Stephen Martin <stephenm@aklnz.net>:
> 3.11 Combat: Damage: Additional Damage is the relevant section.
>
> The increased chance of weapon break was removed for the 2000 Edition of the Rules as part of
> changes to the Fumble Tables.
>
> Currently the only downside of using extra strength for damage is that you cannot use the extra
> damage from skill.
> I.e. If you are Rk4+ in a weapon you need 10PS over the minimum required to get a benefit and if
> you are Rk8+ in a weapon you need 15PS over the minimum required to get a benefit.
>
>
> A proposal to add a penalty back in was voted down at the December 2005 GMs Meeeting.
>
> Simple summary of arguments for & against re-applying penalties:
>
> For: There should be some penalty/trade-off to using high PS otherwise it will be done all the
> time escalating damage done in melee.  WoS SOS SoD all add to PS making it easy to get additional
> damage.
>
> Against: High AG/MD/EN are not penalised, they only provide benefits.  It is penalising one
> class/style of fighter to penalise (or offer no benefit for) high PS, a stat that should be
> important to combat and should add to damage.
>
>
> Cheers, Stephen.
>
> Keith Smith wrote:
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>>>Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:43:17 +1200
>>>Subject: overstrengthing question
>>>From: Neil Davies <nsdavies@gmail.com>
>>>To: dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz
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>>>X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: nsdavies@gmail.com
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>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I always thought that over-strengthing increased the chance of
>>>breaking your weapon, but I couldn't find any mention of this in the
>>>rules when reading them recently.
>>>
>>>What are the current penalties for over-strengthing, and where are
>>>they written in the rule book?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Neil.
>>
>>
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If you missed the meeting or are looking for a second adventure, there are a couple of adventures
(on Monday and Wednesday nights) that need more players.

Refer to the wiki for details:
http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Guild_Meeting_June_2009#Adventure_Announcements_and_Sign-up

And contact the GMs via the relevant talk pages or email if you are interested.

Cheers, Stephen.


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Seagate Adventurers Guild
Guild Meeting Minutes
Winter 809 WK

0)      Campaign Notes
a)      Lej(?) … gone … no forwarding address. Realm destroyed.
b)     Slow portal broken
c)      Current snow storms are a natural event. 
The weather should be returning to more usual 
patterns over the next couple of years. Control 
Weather spells in the Seagate area are not 
working, owing to a Rank 0 backfire. The storms 
should subside a week after the Guild meeting
d)     Celestials can see a Red Moon if they are 
in the Carzala area. This could be an ill omen 
but, at this time, it is unsure about what it means.
e)      The elven civil war has been postponed owing to Winter.

1)      Adventures Going Out
a)      William – Man in plain clothing. Clerk 
from the province of Ladlaugh. Looking for a 
device and a folio. Especially wanting hobbits as 
they’re good at finding things. 5000sp each + another 5000 if you’re a hobbit.
b)     Scott R – A residence is to be cleaned 
out. Not sure what sort of entity the squatters 
are but may be undead or demonic.
c)      Bernard – Man at Arms, reported that 
there was trouble off-plane, a town who’s 
inhabitants have vanished. Want an expert 
troubleshooting team to investigate before anyone 
else moves in. Pay is investments + 5000sp. Mondays, Low/Med.
d)     Jono – Trial of the Hafted Weapons. A 
party is required to retrieve a ship, crew, and 
cargo. Last seen heading north towards the ice 
floes. The cargo consists of southern spices. A 
strong person, plus assistants, is required.

2)      Awards
a)      Smartest
i)        Caprice – The party required a demonic 
avatar to be in a particular place so he can be 
dealt to and it had to be done in a way that he 
would not suspect. Caprice studied up on  his 
girlfriend of 35,000 years ago enough to 
impersonate her. She succeeded in luring him in then stabbing him.
ii) No vote

             Winner – Caprice

b)     Bravest
No award

c)      Stupidest
i)        Lizette – For provoking an entity inside a slow portal
ii) Zanac – The party reached a waterhole where 
bodies were thrown in. There was loot down there 
so Zanac dived in to get it. The skeletons rose and attacked him underwater.
iii) MDK – Using antimagic arrows inside a magical portal.

             Winner – MDK

d)     Best Death
No award

3)      Star of Alusia
No nominations

4)      Other business
New weapon rules, thief and elementals are still 
in playtest and it is planned that they be voted 
on next meeting. Please provide feedback.

Meeting closed.


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Having high PS is also advantageous for pinning/restraining, which should
also help those covered with the appropriate oils and who like to get in
tight clinches. This might be something for Vapour to investigate further.

Andrew

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Subject: Re: [dq] overstrengthing question

Thanks Stephen..

Given I have a character obsessed with strength, I wanted to find an
in-game purpose for choosing high PS other than just bench-pressing
bigger weights.

Cheers!

Neil.


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On 15/06/2009, at 20:38 , Andrew Withy wrote:

> Given I have a character obsessed with strength, I wanted to find an
> in-game purpose for choosing high PS other than just bench-pressing
> bigger weights.

High strength = high carrying capacity = higher agility = more defence  
and higher TMR. When you get strong enough you become and agility  
fighter.

cheers,

Clare


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