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Hi Martin,
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You are absolutely right in saying that my take on the Earth mage restricti=
on is at odds with the exact wording in the rulebook, and I do apologise fo=
r that.
As a background, I have never really agreed with the rulebook in this regar=
d, so you will just have to consider me a rogue GM :-)
=C2=A0
Possibly not valid to this discussion, so feel free to ignore, but here are=
my basic arguments as to why I feel it is "wrong"
=C2=A0
We have a college dedicated to earth based magics, which covers earth, plan=
ts and animals, and yet the latter is not "earthy" enough to be considered =
a bond when in contact. In my opinion the "cannot cast while riding a horse=
/other ground based animal" restriction contradicts any reasoning for inclu=
ding ground animal based magics in the college
I have never understood the deliniation that says that I can stand on a pla=
nk as part of the 1st floor of a house and be able to cast, but if I put th=
e same plank on the ground by itself and stand on it, I cannot
Ahhh, I hear you say, "of course an Earth mage can cast while standing on a=
single plank lying on the ground", but according to the rules, the answer =
should be no, and if you do allow such, then why not a plank on 4 short leg=
s, otherwise known as a chair.
If the single plank is accepted as "blocking" contact with earth, then why =
are boots exempted?
I consider animals like wolves and horses to be "earthy", so therefore the =
riding of such to be similarly so. Same with earthbound objects such as car=
ts and chairs. This ends up distilling down to the very simple rule of "flo=
ating or flying is bad, all else is cool". Having said that, I do not force=
that interpretation onto Earth mages on my game, letting them work within =
the constraints they are used to, but use it when an outside the square sce=
nario arises
=C2=A0
Regards,
=C2=A0
Dean
--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [dq] How much rock is earth?
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:42 AM
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Dean Ellis <deangellis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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I for one have no problem with a mounted Earth mage casting...
Interesting.
20.1 "A practitioner of this College is considered in contact with the eart=
h if they are in contact with an item which is, itself, rooted in the earth=
(tree, plant, foundation of a house, etc.). They would not be in contact w=
ith earth if they were in the air or in water where they could not touch bo=
ttom, or if they were atop a piece of furniture or an animal as these are n=
ot rooted in the ground. An Adept in a person=E2=80=99s arms is not in cont=
act with the earth."
While we can /should discuss the amount of earth needed for contact, the on=
e clear rule that does appear to be there at the moment is that if you lift=
an earth mage off the ground then they cannot cast.=C2=A0 (I've always ass=
umed this was a reference to Antaeus (Greek myth), who was massively strong=
while in contact with the earth.=C2=A0 Heracles ended up holding him off t=
he earth to break his power (and then squished him)).
I would have thought horses would be out for earth mages casting... as woul=
d standing on a chair, etc.
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hi Martin,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You are absolutely right in saying that my take on the Earth mage rest=
riction is at odds with the exact wording in the rulebook, and I do apologi=
se for that.</DIV>
<DIV>As a background, I have never really agreed with the rulebook in this =
regard, so you will just have to consider me a rogue GM :-)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Possibly not valid to this discussion, so feel free to ignore, but her=
e are my basic arguments as to why I feel it is "wrong"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<UL>
<LI>We have a college dedicated to earth based magics, which covers earth, =
plants and animals, and yet the latter is not "earthy" enough to be conside=
red a bond when in contact. In my opinion the "cannot cast while riding a h=
orse/other ground based animal" restriction contradicts any reasoning for i=
ncluding ground animal based magics in the college</LI>
<LI>I have never understood the deliniation that says that I can stand on a=
plank as part of the 1st floor of a house and be able to cast, but if I pu=
t the same plank on the ground by itself and stand on it, I cannot<BR>Ahhh,=
I hear you say, "of course an Earth mage can cast while standing on a sing=
le plank lying on the ground", but according to the rules, the answer shoul=
d be no, and if you do allow such, then why not a plank on 4 short legs, ot=
herwise known as a chair.<BR>If the single plank is accepted as "blocking" =
contact with earth, then why are boots exempted?</LI>
<LI>I consider animals like wolves and horses to be "earthy", so therefore =
the riding of such to be similarly so. Same with earthbound objects such as=
carts and chairs. This ends up distilling down to the very simple rule of =
"floating or flying is bad, all else is cool". Having said that, I do not f=
orce that interpretation onto Earth mages on my game, letting them work wit=
hin the constraints they are used to, but use it when an outside the square=
scenario arises</LI></UL>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dean</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 11/12/09, Martin Dickson <I><martin.dickson@=
gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com=
><BR>Subject: Re: [dq] How much rock is earth?<BR>To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR=
>Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:42 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv25484391>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Dean Ellis <SPAN =
dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"http://us.mc1101.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dde=
angellis@yahoo.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:deange=
llis@yahoo.com">deangellis@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
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<TR>
<TD style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-size-adjust:=
inherit" vAlign=3Dtop>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I for one have no problem with a mounted Earth mage casting...</DIV></=
TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>Interesting.<BR><BR>20.1 "A practitioner of this College is consid=
ered in contact with the earth if they are in contact with an item which is=
, itself, rooted in the earth (tree, plant, foundation of a house, etc.). T=
hey would not be in contact with earth if they were in the air or in water =
where they could not touch bottom, or if they were atop a piece of furnitur=
e or an animal as these are not rooted in the ground. An Adept in a person=
=E2=80=99s arms is not in contact with the earth."<BR><BR><BR>While we can =
/should discuss the amount of earth needed for contact, the one clear rule =
that does appear to be there at the moment is that if you lift an earth mag=
e off the ground then they cannot cast. (I've always assumed this was=
a reference to Antaeus (Greek myth), who was massively strong while in con=
tact with the earth. Heracles ended up holding him off the earth to b=
reak his power (and then squished him)).<BR><BR>I would have thought horses
would be out for earth mages casting... as would standing on a chair, etc.=
<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>=0A=0A
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