| Subject | Re: [dq-pub] Siege weapons |
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| From | Andrew Withy |
| Date | Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:06:08 +1300 |
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The appropriate skill for using siege weapons is Military Scientist, and
they don't have base chances or damage, as they don't get used in skirmishes
(which are what DQ combat deals with) and can't be repeatedly fired in pulse
time. To design and build siege weapons you want the skill of Mechanician.
For an adventuring character, you probably want arbalests (large, steel
crossbows) rather than even a small siege weapon like an onager (medieval)
or ballista (roman / Lunar). Arbalests correspond to the Heavy Crossbow in
the rules. BC 60%, D+5, PS 20 to load (unless using a cranequin), fires
every third action (every fourth action with a cranequin).
The next step up is Onager or Ballista, which you are probably talking about
a fire rate of 3-10 minutes, and a crew of 1-6 depending on size. They are
portable (in the same way that 6 pounder cannon are portable), in that you
can put them on a boat, or haul them behind a horse, but you can't carry
them. A typical one might weigh 3 tons (6,720 lbs). You aim them at small
buildings or large masses of stationary troops, and hope.
Fire rate for big siege weapons (trebuchets, etc) is generally in the tens
of minutes to low hours. They generally can't be aimed more accurately than
selecting a football field. They tend to get built on site and aimed at
towns or large encampments, not at even huge crowds of people.
If you want fire-power in DQ, use magic. Siege weapons aren't really part of
the game.
Here are some light articles to get you started.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onager_%28siege_weapon%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangonel
Andrew
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From: dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf
Of RPer 4eva
Sent: Friday, 18 December 2009 11:00 p.m.
To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq-pub] Seige weapons
What skill lets me use them and what are my base chances and how much
damage do they generaly do?
Any other sige weapon information would be of use too. Thanks.
Dylan
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The appropriate skill for using =
siege
weapons is Military Scientist, and they don’t have base chances or
damage, as they don’t get used in skirmishes (which are what DQ =
combat
deals with) and can’t be repeatedly fired in pulse time. To design =
and
build siege weapons you want the skill of =
Mechanician.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>For an adventuring character, you =
probably
want arbalests (large, steel crossbows) rather than even a small siege =
weapon like
an onager (medieval) or ballista (roman / Lunar). Arbalests =
correspond to
the Heavy Crossbow in the rules. BC 60%, D+5, PS 20 to load (unless =
using a cranequin),
fires every third action (every fourth action with a =
cranequin).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The next step up is Onager or =
Ballista,
which you are probably talking about a fire rate of 3-10 minutes, and a =
crew of
1-6 depending on size. They are portable (in the same way that 6 pounder =
cannon
are portable), in that you can put them on a boat, or haul them behind a =
horse,
but you can’t carry them. A typical one might weigh 3 tons (6,720 =
lbs).
You aim them at small buildings or large masses of stationary troops, =
and hope.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Fire rate for big siege weapons =
(trebuchets,
etc) is generally in the tens of minutes to low hours. They generally =
can’t
be aimed more accurately than selecting a football field. They tend to =
get
built on site and aimed at towns or large encampments, not at even huge =
crowds of
people.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If you want fire-power in DQ, use =
magic.
Siege weapons aren’t really part of the =
game.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Here are some light articles to get =
you
started.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onager_%28siege_weapon%29">http://en=
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a
href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangonel">http://en.wikipedia.org/wi=
ki/Mangonel</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, 18 December =
2009
11:00 p.m.<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [dq-pub] Seige =
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and how
much damage do they generaly do?<br>
Any other sige weapon information would be of use too. Thanks.<br>
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| Subject | Re: [dq-pub] Siege weapons |
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| From | RPer 4eva |
| Date | Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:17:50 +1300 |
--00504502c6c9772a69047affbacc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seige weapons can be built with weaponsmith which is what first got me thinking. How about things like a battering ram or "simple" catapult. And what have people used in the way of fortifications? On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Andrew Withy <awithy@ihug.co.nz> wrote: > The appropriate skill for using siege weapons is Military Scientist, and > they don=92t have base chances or damage, as they don=92t get used in ski= rmishes > (which are what DQ combat deals with) and can=92t be repeatedly fired in = pulse > time. To design and build siege weapons you want the skill of Mechanician= . > > > > For an adventuring character, you probably want arbalests (large, steel > crossbows) rather than even a small siege weapon like an onager (medieval= ) > or ballista (roman / Lunar). Arbalests correspond to the Heavy Crossbow = in > the rules. BC 60%, D+5, PS 20 to load (unless using a cranequin), fires > every third action (every fourth action with a cranequin). > > > > The next step up is Onager or Ballista, which you are probably talking > about a fire rate of 3-10 minutes, and a crew of 1-6 depending on size. T= hey > are portable (in the same way that 6 pounder cannon are portable), in tha= t > you can put them on a boat, or haul them behind a horse, but you can=92t = carry > them. A typical one might weigh 3 tons (6,720 lbs). You aim them at small > buildings or large masses of stationary troops, and hope. > > > > Fire rate for big siege weapons (trebuchets, etc) is generally in the ten= s > of minutes to low hours. They generally can=92t be aimed more accurately = than > selecting a football field. They tend to get built on site and aimed at > towns or large encampments, not at even huge crowds of people. > > > > If you want fire-power in DQ, use magic. Siege weapons aren=92t really pa= rt > of the game. > > > > Here are some light articles to get you started. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onager_%28siege_weapon%29 > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangonel > > > > Andrew > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] *On > Behalf Of *RPer 4eva > *Sent:* Friday, 18 December 2009 11:00 p.m. > *To:* dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz > *Subject:* [dq-pub] Seige weapons > > > > What skill lets me use them and what are my base chances and how much > damage do they generaly do? > Any other sige weapon information would be of use too. Thanks. > Dylan > --00504502c6c9772a69047affbacc Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seige weapons can be built with weaponsmith which is what first got me thin= king. How about things like a battering ram or "simple" catapult.= And what have people used in the way of fortifications?<br><br><br><div cl= ass=3D"gmail_quote"> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Andrew Withy <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hre= f=3D"mailto:awithy@ihug.co.nz">awithy@ihug.co.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br><= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 2= 04, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">The appropriat= e skill for using siege weapons is Military Scientist, and they don=92t have base chances or damage, as they don=92t get used in skirmishes (which are what DQ combat deals with) and can=92t be repeatedly fired in pulse time. To design and build siege weapons you want the skill of Mechanician.</span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">=A0</span></fo= nt></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">For an adventu= ring character, you probably want arbalests (large, steel crossbows) rather than even a small siege weap= on like an onager (medieval) or ballista (roman / Lunar). =A0Arbalests correspond t= o the Heavy Crossbow in the rules. BC 60%, D+5, PS 20 to load (unless using a= cranequin), fires every third action (every fourth action with a cranequin).</span></fo= nt></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">=A0</span></fo= nt></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">The next step = up is Onager or Ballista, which you are probably talking about a fire rate of 3-10 minutes, and a cre= w of 1-6 depending on size. They are portable (in the same way that 6 pounder ca= nnon are portable), in that you can put them on a boat, or haul them behind a ho= rse, but you can=92t carry them. A typical one might weigh 3 tons (6,720 lbs). You aim them at small buildings or large masses of stationary troops, and h= ope.</span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">=A0</span></fo= nt></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Fire rate for = big siege weapons (trebuchets, etc) is generally in the tens of minutes to low hours. They generally can= =92t be aimed more accurately than selecting a football field. They tend to get built on site and aimed at towns or large encampments, not at even huge cro= wds of people.</span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">=A0</span></fo= nt></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">If you want fi= re-power in DQ, use magic. Siege weapons aren=92t really part of the game.</span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">=A0</span></fo= nt></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Here are some = light articles to get you started.</span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><a href=3D"htt= p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onager_%28siege_weapon%29" target=3D"_blank">http= ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onager_%28siege_weapon%29</a></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><a href=3D"htt= p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangonel" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.o= rg/wiki/Mangonel</a></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">=A0</span></fo= nt></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Andrew</span><= /font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span= style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">=A0</span></fo= nt></p> <div> <div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align: center;" align=3D"center"><fo= nt face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"> <hr width=3D"100%" align=3D"center" size=3D"2"> </span></font></div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"f= ont-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font= ></b><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-= family: Tahoma;"> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-pub-owner= @dq.sf.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" targ= et=3D"_blank">dq-pub-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] <b><span style=3D"font-weight:= bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>RPer 4eva<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, 18 December = 2009 11:00 p.m.<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-p= ub@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [dq-pub] Seige we= apons</span></font></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl= e=3D"font-size: 12pt;">=A0</span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl= e=3D"font-size: 12pt;">What skill lets me use them and what are my=A0 base = chances and how much damage do they generaly do?<br> Any other sige weapon information would be of use too. Thanks.<br> Dylan</span></font></p> </div> </div> </blockquote></div><br> --00504502c6c9772a69047affbacc-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-pub-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq-pub] Siege weapons |
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| From | Helen Saggers |
| Date | Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:33:38 +1300 |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01CA80A7.7D3E2940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is no such thing as a "simple" catapult when your talking Siege = weapons. The simplest throwing arm siege weapon is an onager. It still relies on rope springs, which can not be made of Hemp, but a = blend of horse tail, human hair, gut, sinew, and other things.The rope = spring must be tensioned and that requires a ratchet system which if not = done right damages the rope. The arm itself has to be made of a strong springy wood, strong to take = the impact of the sudden stop of the 'throw', springy so it doesn't = shatter or split under the tension. The frame needs to be strong enough to take all these pent up forces, = and finally you need a trigger. Get any of this wrong and if your lucky the thing just eats itself, if = you not lucky the weapon is more dangerous to its crew than the enemy.=20 Like wise a Battering Ram bigger than a log carried by a couple of beefy = guys, is another feat of engineering. Helen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RPer 4eva=20 To: dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz=20 Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [dq-pub] Siege weapons Seige weapons can be built with weaponsmith which is what first got me = thinking. How about things like a battering ram or "simple" catapult. = And what have people used in the way of fortifications? ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01CA80A7.7D3E2940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16945" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is no such thing as a "simple" = catapult when=20 your talking Siege weapons.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The simplest throwing arm siege weapon = is an=20 onager.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It still relies on rope springs, which = can not be=20 made of Hemp, but a blend of horse tail, human hair, gut, = sinew, and other=20 things.The rope spring must be tensioned and that requires a ratchet = system=20 which if not done right damages the rope.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The arm itself has to be made of a = strong springy=20 wood, strong to take the impact of the sudden stop of the 'throw', = springy=20 so it doesn't shatter or split under the tension.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The frame needs to be strong enough to = take all=20 these pent up forces, and finally you need a trigger.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Get any of this wrong and if your lucky = the thing=20 just eats itself, if you not lucky the weapon is more dangerous to its = crew than=20 the enemy. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Like wise a Battering Ram bigger than a = log carried=20 by a couple of beefy guys, is another feat = of engineering.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Helen</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dmsnoverflow@gmail.com = href=3D"mailto:msnoverflow@gmail.com">RPer=20 4eva</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Ddq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz=20 href=3D"mailto:dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz">dq-pub@dq.sf.org.nz</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 19, = 2009 1:17=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq-pub] Siege = weapons</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Seige weapons can be built with weaponsmith which is = what first=20 got me thinking. How about things like a battering ram or "simple" = catapult.=20 And what have people used in the way of=20 fortifications?<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01CA80A7.7D3E2940-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-pub-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |