| Subject | Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal |
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| From | Jim Arona |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:46:49 +1200 |
--00c09f99e42e31259f048925f41f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Errr...That should be a 62% chance of the spell failing or being avoided. On 16 June 2010 12:34, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: > Given a cast chance of 70%, and a MR of 15(+30 from Necro SK > counterspell), the chance of the spell failing or being avoided is 69%. > --00c09f99e42e31259f048925f41f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <font face=3D"georgia,serif">Errr...That should be a 62% chance of the spel= l failing or being avoided.<br></font><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 16 June 2010 12:34, Jim Arona <span dir=3D"lt= r"><<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>></= span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex= ; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div class=3D"im"> <div><font face=3D"Georgia">=A0Given a cast chance of 70%, and a MR of 15(+= 30 from Necro SK counterspell), the chance of the spell failing or being av= oided is 69%.=A0</font>=A0</div></div></blockquote></div> --00c09f99e42e31259f048925f41f-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Ruleset Issues, was Counterspell proposal |
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| From | Errol Cavit |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:47:45 +1200 |
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I'm hiding too, I haven't offered an opinion (other than on one small aspec=
t) yet.
I will note that there seems to be quite a gap between how others expect/th=
ink Namers are useful, and WordSmith's experience. I'm not sure (my memory =
may be lacking) if he has ever banished anything, for instance (most off-pl=
ane stuff he's encountered didn't arrive by summoning - Counterspell requir=
ed to Banish has been a fairly common question, however).
He has been on a couple of adventures 'over his level', as they called for =
a Namer's investigative ability and more 'level-appropriate' Namers weren't=
available.
As Michael notes, he hasn't learnt any new Counters (but has a handful of i=
nteresting GTNs).
Lizette's and WS's experiences obviously differ a lot if Divination isn't o=
ne of his top 3 'requests'.
Errol
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jim=
Arona
Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2010 5:50 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Ruleset Issues, was Counterspell proposal
On 16 June 2010 14:25, RPer 4eva <msnoverflow@gmail.com<mailto:msnoverflow@=
gmail.com>> wrote:
People say we need to be objective here but I would like to hear a little m=
ore from people who play namers on how they think any of the proposed chang=
es will effect them. Might give us fresh insites.
We have heard from Michael, Dean, Errol, Jono and Jason. The rest of the pe=
ople who play Namers are hiding under their desks and waiting for the dust =
to clear.
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’m hiding too, I haven’t offered an opinion (ot=
her
than on one small aspect) yet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I will note that there seems to be quite a gap between how
others expect/think Namers are useful, and WordSmith’s experience. I&=
#8217;m
not sure (my memory may be lacking) if he has ever banished anything, for
instance (most off-plane stuff he’s encountered didn’t arrive b=
y
summoning – Counterspell required to Banish has been a fairly common
question, however).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>He has been on a couple of adventures ‘over his level&=
#8217;,
as they called for a Namer’s investigative ability and more ‘le=
vel-appropriate’
Namers weren’t available.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As Michael notes, he hasn’t learnt any new Counters (b=
ut
has a handful of interesting GTNs).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Lizette’s and WS’s experiences obviously differ =
a
lot if Divination isn’t one of his top 3 ‘requests’.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Errol<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Arona<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 16 June 2010 5:50 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Ruleset Issues, was Counterspell proposal<o:p></o:=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>On 16 June 2010 14:25, RPer 4eva <<a
href=3D"mailto:msnoverflow@gmail.com">msnoverflow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<=
o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>People say we need to be objective here but I would li=
ke to
hear a little more from people who play namers on how they think any of the
proposed changes will effect them. Might give us fresh insites.<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>We have =
heard
from Michael, Dean, Errol, Jono and Jason. The rest of the people who play
Namers are hiding under their desks and waiting for the dust to clear.</spa=
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| Subject | Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal |
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| From | Martin Dickson |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:51:47 +1200 |
--00163630f79fe9e31e04892be3f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jim raises a good point about reducing college MA. If we're looking for a way to reduce the burden on Namers with regard to CS ranking (EP & Time) and want to achieve this with the lowest overall impact then modifying CS in some way only within the Namer college would seem least risky. Parky's 7-point font CS spreadsheet aside for a moment, the lowest impact approach would seem to be to directly tackle the EP and Time of Namer CS ranking. Off-the-cuff solution: 1) reduce the EM cost of Namer CS -- this would also reduce their training time per Parky's post. 2) allow Namers to rank the GK and SK of a College as a single training "slot" -- effectively, Namers ranking SK gives them equal GK rank for free. This would affect Namers without impacting CS in general, or branches, or college MA, etc... all of which risk unintended downstream consequences (due in part to the large number of extant and uncontrolled game "objects" -- e.g. magic items, weird magic and abilities -- that may depend on current definitions of CS or Branches, etc). If at the same time we wanted to consider making out-of-college CS rankable by anyone, and/or altering the MR bonuses we could do so. Cheers, Martin --- On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: > Post 1 > This would drop the MA requirements of all colleges by 1. Not that I care, > mind you, but it puts Mind college in range of any pc who is just barely > sentient and knows what a letter is. > It also means that non-Namer Adepts would have the same number of > counterspells to Rank as a Namer. > > On 16 June 2010 16:29, Stephen Martin <stephenm@aklnz.net> wrote: > >> >> A counter-proposal to represent the sum of my opinions would be something >> like: >> a) Remove General Knowledge Counterspells. Special CS becomes college CS. >> b) New Namer-only ability to cast a counterspell on an entity to give them >> 10+rk MR vs the >> whole branch. >> c) Non-Namers can rank other-college counterspells as Special Knowledge >> spells. >> >> --00163630f79fe9e31e04892be3f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim raises a good point about reducing college MA.<br><br>If we're look= ing for a way to reduce the burden on Namers with regard to CS ranking (EP = & Time) and want to achieve this with the lowest overall impact then mo= difying CS in some way only within the Namer college would seem least risky= .<br> <br>Parky's 7-point font CS spreadsheet aside for a moment, the lowest = impact approach would seem to be to directly tackle the EP and Time of Name= r CS ranking.<br><br>Off-the-cuff solution: <br><br>1) reduce the EM cost o= f Namer CS -- this would also reduce their training time per Parky's po= st.<br> 2) allow Namers to rank the GK and SK of a College as a single training &qu= ot;slot" -- effectively, Namers ranking SK gives them equal GK rank fo= r free.<br><br>This would affect Namers without impacting CS in general, or= branches, or college MA, etc... all of which risk unintended downstream co= nsequences (due in part to the large number of extant and uncontrolled game= "objects" -- e.g. magic items, weird magic and abilities -- that= may depend on current definitions of CS or Branches, etc).<br> <br>If at the same time we wanted to consider making out-of-college CS rank= able by anyone, and/or altering the MR bonuses we could do so.<br><br>Cheer= s,<br>Martin<br><br>---<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 16, 2= 010 at 6:01 PM, Jim Arona <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona= @gmail.com">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde= r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><font face= =3D"georgia,serif">Post 1</font></div> <div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">This would drop the MA requirements of al= l colleges by 1. Not that I care, mind you, but it puts Mind college in ran= ge of any pc who is just barely sentient and knows what a letter is. </font= ></div> <div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">It also means that non-Namer Adepts would= have the same number of counterspells to Rank as a Namer.<br></font><br></= div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 16 June 2010 16:29, Stephen Martin <span dir= =3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:stephenm@aklnz.net" target=3D"_blank">stephe= nm@aklnz.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px= 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div><br>A counter-proposal to represent the sum of my opinions would be so= mething like:<br>a) Remove General Knowledge Counterspells. =A0Special CS b= ecomes college CS.<br>b) New Namer-only ability to cast a counterspell on a= n entity to give them 10+rk MR vs the<br> whole branch.<br>c) Non-Namers can rank other-college counterspells as Spec= ial Knowledge spells.<br><br></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockqu= ote></div> --00163630f79fe9e31e04892be3f9-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal |
|---|---|
| From | Stephen Martin |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:57:58 +1200 |
On Wed, June 16, 2010 6:01 pm, Jim Arona wrote: > Post 1 > This would drop the MA requirements of all colleges by 1. Or we add a new GK ability to every college. It is a potential issue but I figured we'd be able to find a solution. > Not that I care, mind you, but it puts Mind college in range of any pc who is just barely > sentient and knows what a letter is. How is this a change? ;) > It also means that non-Namer Adepts would have the same number of > counterspells to Rank as a Namer. Yes, or they could rank the useful SK spells in their own college. Last thing you want in a party is an E&E with lots of counterspells but no Quickness. Cheers, Stephen. > On 16 June 2010 16:29, Stephen Martin <stephenm@aklnz.net> wrote: > >> >> A counter-proposal to represent the sum of my opinions would be something >> like: >> a) Remove General Knowledge Counterspells. Special CS becomes college CS. >> b) New Namer-only ability to cast a counterspell on an entity to give them >> 10+rk MR vs the >> whole branch. >> c) Non-Namers can rank other-college counterspells as Special Knowledge >> spells. >> >> >> My 8c (2c after cash rounding, gst, and rounding again - I hate financials) >> >> Cheers, Stephen. -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal |
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| From | Hamish Brown |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:06:53 +1200 |
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That's an elegant solution Martin.
H
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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Martin Dickson
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:52 AM
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal
Jim raises a good point about reducing college MA.
If we're looking for a way to reduce the burden on Namers with regard to CS
ranking (EP & Time) and want to achieve this with the lowest overall impact
then modifying CS in some way only within the Namer college would seem least
risky.
Parky's 7-point font CS spreadsheet aside for a moment, the lowest impact
approach would seem to be to directly tackle the EP and Time of Namer CS
ranking.
Off-the-cuff solution:
1) reduce the EM cost of Namer CS -- this would also reduce their training
time per Parky's post.
2) allow Namers to rank the GK and SK of a College as a single training
"slot" -- effectively, Namers ranking SK gives them equal GK rank for free.
This would affect Namers without impacting CS in general, or branches, or
college MA, etc... all of which risk unintended downstream consequences (due
in part to the large number of extant and uncontrolled game "objects" --
e.g. magic items, weird magic and abilities -- that may depend on current
definitions of CS or Branches, etc).
If at the same time we wanted to consider making out-of-college CS rankable
by anyone, and/or altering the MR bonuses we could do so.
Cheers,
Martin
---
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:
Post 1
This would drop the MA requirements of all colleges by 1. Not that I care,
mind you, but it puts Mind college in range of any pc who is just barely
sentient and knows what a letter is.
It also means that non-Namer Adepts would have the same number of
counterspells to Rank as a Namer.
On 16 June 2010 16:29, Stephen Martin <stephenm@aklnz.net> wrote:
A counter-proposal to represent the sum of my opinions would be something
like:
a) Remove General Knowledge Counterspells. Special CS becomes college CS.
b) New Namer-only ability to cast a counterspell on an entity to give them
10+rk MR vs the
whole branch.
c) Non-Namers can rank other-college counterspells as Special Knowledge
spells.
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dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b><span =
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bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Martin Dickson<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 17, =
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AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Jim raises a =
good point
about reducing college MA.<br>
<br>
If we're looking for a way to reduce the burden on Namers with regard to =
CS
ranking (EP & Time) and want to achieve this with the lowest overall =
impact
then modifying CS in some way only within the Namer college would seem =
least
risky.<br>
<br>
Parky's 7-point font CS spreadsheet aside for a moment, the lowest =
impact
approach would seem to be to directly tackle the EP and Time of Namer CS
ranking.<br>
<br>
Off-the-cuff solution: <br>
<br>
1) reduce the EM cost of Namer CS -- this would also reduce their =
training time
per Parky's post.<br>
2) allow Namers to rank the GK and SK of a College as a single training
"slot" -- effectively, Namers ranking SK gives them equal GK =
rank for
free.<br>
<br>
This would affect Namers without impacting CS in general, or branches, =
or
college MA, etc... all of which risk unintended downstream consequences =
(due in
part to the large number of extant and uncontrolled game =
"objects" --
e.g. magic items, weird magic and abilities -- that may depend on =
current
definitions of CS or Branches, etc).<br>
<br>
If at the same time we wanted to consider making out-of-college CS =
rankable by
anyone, and/or altering the MR bonuses we could do so.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Martin<br>
<br>
---<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jim Arona <<a
href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DGeorgia><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Georgia'>Post 1</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DGeorgia><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Georgia'>This would drop the MA requirements of all colleges =
by 1.
Not that I care, mind you, but it puts Mind college in range of any pc =
who is
just barely sentient and knows what a letter is. =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
face=3DGeorgia><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>It also means that =
non-Namer
Adepts would have the same number of counterspells to Rank as a =
Namer.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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href=3D"mailto:stephenm@aklnz.net" =
target=3D"_blank">stephenm@aklnz.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
A counter-proposal to represent the sum of my opinions would be =
something like:<br>
a) Remove General Knowledge Counterspells. Special CS becomes =
college CS.<br>
b) New Namer-only ability to cast a counterspell on an entity to give =
them
10+rk MR vs the<br>
whole branch.<br>
c) Non-Namers can rank other-college counterspells as Special Knowledge =
spells.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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| Subject | Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal |
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| From | Stephen Martin |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:09:33 +1200 |
Apart from E&E GKCS which is required to wake Rk10+ Slept entities, the GKCS have almost no value to the game, add no flavour, and are generally pointless. Most characters that rank them only do so to clear an MA slot or because they had nothing better to do with their XP and Time. This is not a problem, it's an opportunity to create new and flavourful GK spells or rituals for the colleges that need them. :-) IF we're going to make a change then we should make the best change we can. On Thu, June 17, 2010 8:51 am, Martin Dickson wrote: > Jim raises a good point about reducing college MA. > > If we're looking for a way to reduce the burden on Namers with regard to CS > ranking (EP & Time) and want to achieve this with the lowest overall impact > then modifying CS in some way only within the Namer college would seem least > risky. > > Parky's 7-point font CS spreadsheet aside for a moment, the lowest impact > approach would seem to be to directly tackle the EP and Time of Namer CS > ranking. > > Off-the-cuff solution: > > 1) reduce the EM cost of Namer CS -- this would also reduce their training > time per Parky's post. > 2) allow Namers to rank the GK and SK of a College as a single training > "slot" -- effectively, Namers ranking SK gives them equal GK rank for free. > > This would affect Namers without impacting CS in general, or branches, or > college MA, etc... all of which risk unintended downstream consequences (due > in part to the large number of extant and uncontrolled game "objects" -- > e.g. magic items, weird magic and abilities -- that may depend on current > definitions of CS or Branches, etc). > > If at the same time we wanted to consider making out-of-college CS rankable > by anyone, and/or altering the MR bonuses we could do so. > > Cheers, > Martin > > --- > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Post 1 >> This would drop the MA requirements of all colleges by 1. Not that I care, >> mind you, but it puts Mind college in range of any pc who is just barely >> sentient and knows what a letter is. >> It also means that non-Namer Adepts would have the same number of >> counterspells to Rank as a Namer. >> >> On 16 June 2010 16:29, Stephen Martin <stephenm@aklnz.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> A counter-proposal to represent the sum of my opinions would be something >>> like: >>> a) Remove General Knowledge Counterspells. Special CS becomes college CS. >>> b) New Namer-only ability to cast a counterspell on an entity to give them >>> 10+rk MR vs the >>> whole branch. >>> c) Non-Namers can rank other-college counterspells as Special Knowledge >>> spells. >>> >>> > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal |
|---|---|
| From | Errol Cavit |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:32:42 +1200 |
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=D8 Off-the-cuff solution:
1) reduce the EM cost of Namer CS -- this would also reduce their training =
time per Parky's post.
You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-Namer? So if EM changed =
to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks?
Errol
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Mar=
tin Dickson
Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2010 8:52 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal
Jim raises a good point about reducing college MA.
If we're looking for a way to reduce the burden on Namers with regard to CS=
ranking (EP & Time) and want to achieve this with the lowest overall impac=
t then modifying CS in some way only within the Namer college would seem le=
ast risky.
Parky's 7-point font CS spreadsheet aside for a moment, the lowest impact a=
pproach would seem to be to directly tackle the EP and Time of Namer CS ran=
king.
Off-the-cuff solution:
1) reduce the EM cost of Namer CS -- this would also reduce their training =
time per Parky's post.
2) allow Namers to rank the GK and SK of a College as a single training "sl=
ot" -- effectively, Namers ranking SK gives them equal GK rank for free.
This would affect Namers without impacting CS in general, or branches, or c=
ollege MA, etc... all of which risk unintended downstream consequences (due=
in part to the large number of extant and uncontrolled game "objects" -- e=
.g. magic items, weird magic and abilities -- that may depend on current de=
finitions of CS or Branches, etc).
If at the same time we wanted to consider making out-of-college CS rankable=
by anyone, and/or altering the MR bonuses we could do so.
Cheers,
Martin
---
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com<mailto:jim.=
arona@gmail.com>> wrote:
Post 1
This would drop the MA requirements of all colleges by 1. Not that I care, =
mind you, but it puts Mind college in range of any pc who is just barely se=
ntient and knows what a letter is.
It also means that non-Namer Adepts would have the same number of countersp=
ells to Rank as a Namer.
On 16 June 2010 16:29, Stephen Martin <stephenm@aklnz.net<mailto:stephenm@a=
klnz.net>> wrote:
A counter-proposal to represent the sum of my opinions would be something l=
ike:
a) Remove General Knowledge Counterspells. Special CS becomes college CS.
b) New Namer-only ability to cast a counterspell on an entity to give them =
10+rk MR vs the
whole branch.
c) Non-Namers can rank other-college counterspells as Special Knowledge spe=
lls.
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-Nam=
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if EM changed to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks?<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Errol<br>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:
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e:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Dickson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 June 2010 8:52 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Jim raises a good point=
about
reducing college MA.<br>
<br>
If we're looking for a way to reduce the burden on Namers with regard to CS
ranking (EP & Time) and want to achieve this with the lowest overall im=
pact
then modifying CS in some way only within the Namer college would seem leas=
t
risky.<br>
<br>
Parky's 7-point font CS spreadsheet aside for a moment, the lowest impact
approach would seem to be to directly tackle the EP and Time of Namer CS
ranking.<br>
<br>
Off-the-cuff solution: <br>
<br>
1) reduce the EM cost of Namer CS -- this would also reduce their training =
time
per Parky's post.<br>
2) allow Namers to rank the GK and SK of a College as a single training
"slot" -- effectively, Namers ranking SK gives them equal GK rank=
for
free.<br>
<br>
This would affect Namers without impacting CS in general, or branches, or
college MA, etc... all of which risk unintended downstream consequences (du=
e in
part to the large number of extant and uncontrolled game "objects"=
; --
e.g. magic items, weird magic and abilities -- that may depend on current d=
efinitions
of CS or Branches, etc).<br>
<br>
If at the same time we wanted to consider making out-of-college CS rankable=
by
anyone, and/or altering the MR bonuses we could do so.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Martin<br>
<br>
---<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jim Arona <<a
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</o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Post 1</=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>This wou=
ld drop
the MA requirements of all colleges by 1. Not that I care, mind you, but it
puts Mind college in range of any pc who is just barely sentient and knows =
what
a letter is. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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s to
Rank as a Namer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>On 16 June 2010 16:29, Stephen Martin <<a
href=3D"mailto:stephenm@aklnz.net" target=3D"_blank">stephenm@aklnz.net</a>=
>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>
A counter-proposal to represent the sum of my opinions would be something l=
ike:<br>
a) Remove General Knowledge Counterspells. Special CS becomes college=
CS.<br>
b) New Namer-only ability to cast a counterspell on an entity to give them
10+rk MR vs the<br>
whole branch.<br>
c) Non-Namers can rank other-college counterspells as Special Knowledge spe=
lls.<o:p></o:p></p>
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| Subject | [dq] Baby Namer Question - The Third Stream |
|---|---|
| From | Ben Taberner |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:00:37 +1200 |
--001636e0add8a8c48804892db0c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Since there has been a deluge of shockingly constructive Namer/Counter Spell discussion lately, I'd though I'd chip in with a parallel topic. I've recently (in years) played my first adventure with a baby Namer and I've yet to tackle the wonderful world of three stream ranking. I'm just wondering what experiences other Namer players have had and whether the complexity in introduces is comparable to the joy of more columns in your Ranking spreadsheet and balancing your choices between the various kinds of doom you anticipate seeing on adventure? How effective or onerous a limit does this place on the inevitable ascension of a Namer to the ranks of the mighty? How much more of a chore has it become when compared to the greater range of SK spells available now? Naturally it's a cornerstone of Namer Superiority, but could this idiosyncrasy be simplified to an equivalent (or inverse) of Talent ranking? Given that I'm tragically lazy, should I give up on this Namer lark and play a Celestial or something? ben --001636e0add8a8c48804892db0c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since there has been a deluge of shockingly constructive Namer/Counter Spel= l discussion lately, I'd though I'd chip in with a parallel topic.= =A0 I've recently (in years) played my first adventure with a baby Name= r and I've yet to tackle the wonderful world of three stream ranking.<b= r> <br>I'm just wondering what experiences other Namer players have had an= d whether the complexity in introduces is comparable to the joy of more col= umns in your Ranking spreadsheet and balancing your choices between the var= ious kinds of doom you anticipate seeing on adventure?=A0 How effective or = onerous a limit does this place on the inevitable ascension of a Namer to t= he ranks of the mighty?=A0 How much more of a chore has it become when comp= ared to the greater range of SK spells available now?<br> <br>Naturally it's a cornerstone of Namer Superiority, but could this i= diosyncrasy be simplified to an equivalent (or inverse) of Talent ranking?= =A0=A0 <br><br>Given that I'm tragically lazy, should I give up on this= Namer lark and play a Celestial or something?<br> <br><br><br>ben<br> --001636e0add8a8c48804892db0c1-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal |
|---|---|
| From | Martin Dickson |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:04:48 +1200 |
--00c09fa21d71abc00b04892dbf63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com>wrote: > > > You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-Namer? So if EM changed > to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks? > Training time = 1 + (EM/100) weeks.... so yes. --00c09fa21d71abc00b04892dbf63 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Errol Cavit <sp= an dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com">Errol.Cavit= @tollgroup.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s= tyle=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204= ); padding-left: 1ex;"> <div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-NZ"><div> =A0 <p class=3D"MsoNormal">You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-N= amer? So if EM changed to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks?</p></div></di= v></blockquote><div><br>Training time =3D 1 + (EM/100) weeks.... so yes.<br= ><br><br></div></div> --00c09fa21d71abc00b04892dbf63-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal |
|---|---|
| From | Errol Cavit |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:24:07 +1200 |
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I also meant to say, I believe the current Rules as written don't allow you=
to teach any Counterspells that you may happen to know to an Adept of a di=
fferent College than your own.
As we obviously want this to be allowed (e.g. Namers teaching non-Namers as=
a minimum), we should write it down clearly if we are adjusting Namer/Coun=
ters anyway.
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Err=
ol Cavit
Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2010 9:33 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal
=D8 Off-the-cuff solution:
1) reduce the EM cost of Namer CS -- this would also reduce their training =
time per Parky's post.
You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-Namer? So if EM changed =
to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks?
Errol
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Mar=
tin Dickson
Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2010 8:52 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal
Jim raises a good point about reducing college MA.
If we're looking for a way to reduce the burden on Namers with regard to CS=
ranking (EP & Time) and want to achieve this with the lowest overall impac=
t then modifying CS in some way only within the Namer college would seem le=
ast risky.
Parky's 7-point font CS spreadsheet aside for a moment, the lowest impact a=
pproach would seem to be to directly tackle the EP and Time of Namer CS ran=
king.
Off-the-cuff solution:
1) reduce the EM cost of Namer CS -- this would also reduce their training =
time per Parky's post.
2) allow Namers to rank the GK and SK of a College as a single training "sl=
ot" -- effectively, Namers ranking SK gives them equal GK rank for free.
This would affect Namers without impacting CS in general, or branches, or c=
ollege MA, etc... all of which risk unintended downstream consequences (due=
in part to the large number of extant and uncontrolled game "objects" -- e=
.g. magic items, weird magic and abilities -- that may depend on current de=
finitions of CS or Branches, etc).
If at the same time we wanted to consider making out-of-college CS rankable=
by anyone, and/or altering the MR bonuses we could do so.
Cheers,
Martin
---
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com<mailto:jim.=
arona@gmail.com>> wrote:
Post 1
This would drop the MA requirements of all colleges by 1. Not that I care, =
mind you, but it puts Mind college in range of any pc who is just barely se=
ntient and knows what a letter is.
It also means that non-Namer Adepts would have the same number of countersp=
ells to Rank as a Namer.
On 16 June 2010 16:29, Stephen Martin <stephenm@aklnz.net<mailto:stephenm@a=
klnz.net>> wrote:
A counter-proposal to represent the sum of my opinions would be something l=
ike:
a) Remove General Knowledge Counterspells. Special CS becomes college CS.
b) New Namer-only ability to cast a counterspell on an entity to give them =
10+rk MR vs the
whole branch.
c) Non-Namers can rank other-college counterspells as Special Knowledge spe=
lls.
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I also meant to say, I believe the current Rules as written =
don’t
allow you to teach any Counterspells that you may happen to know to an Adep=
t of
a different College than your own.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As we obviously want this to be allowed (e.g. Namers teachin=
g
non-Namers as a minimum), we should write it down clearly if we are adjusti=
ng
Namer/Counters anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Errol Cavit<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 June 2010 9:33 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1=
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
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]>Off-the-cuff
solution: <br>
<br>
1) reduce the EM cost of Namer CS -- this would also reduce their training =
time
per Parky's post.<span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","san=
s-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-Nam=
er? So
if EM changed to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks?<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Errol<span style=3D'fon=
t-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Dickson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 June 2010 8:52 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Jim raises a good point=
about
reducing college MA.<br>
<br>
If we're looking for a way to reduce the burden on Namers with regard to CS=
ranking
(EP & Time) and want to achieve this with the lowest overall impact the=
n
modifying CS in some way only within the Namer college would seem least ris=
ky.<br>
<br>
Parky's 7-point font CS spreadsheet aside for a moment, the lowest impact
approach would seem to be to directly tackle the EP and Time of Namer CS
ranking.<br>
<br>
Off-the-cuff solution: <br>
<br>
1) reduce the EM cost of Namer CS -- this would also reduce their training =
time
per Parky's post.<br>
2) allow Namers to rank the GK and SK of a College as a single training
"slot" -- effectively, Namers ranking SK gives them equal GK rank=
for
free.<br>
<br>
This would affect Namers without impacting CS in general, or branches, or
college MA, etc... all of which risk unintended downstream consequences (du=
e in
part to the large number of extant and uncontrolled game "objects"=
; --
e.g. magic items, weird magic and abilities -- that may depend on current
definitions of CS or Branches, etc).<br>
<br>
If at the same time we wanted to consider making out-of-college CS rankable=
by
anyone, and/or altering the MR bonuses we could do so.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Martin<br>
<br>
---<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jim Arona <<a
href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Post 1</=
span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>This wou=
ld drop
the MA requirements of all colleges by 1. Not that I care, mind you, but it
puts Mind college in range of any pc who is just barely sentient and knows =
what
a letter is. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-fam=
ily:"Georgia","serif"'>It
also means that non-Namer Adepts would have the same number of counterspell=
s to
Rank as a Namer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>On 16 June 2010 16:29, Stephen Martin <<a
href=3D"mailto:stephenm@aklnz.net" target=3D"_blank">stephenm@aklnz.net</a>=
>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>
A counter-proposal to represent the sum of my opinions would be something l=
ike:<br>
a) Remove General Knowledge Counterspells. Special CS becomes college=
CS.<br>
b) New Namer-only ability to cast a counterspell on an entity to give them
10+rk MR vs the<br>
whole branch.<br>
c) Non-Namers can rank other-college counterspells as Special Knowledge spe=
lls.<o:p></o:p></p>
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| Subject | Re: [dq] Baby Namer Question - The Third Stream |
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| From | Jim Arona |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:25:51 +1200 |
--000feaf11132e83a4e04892e0a43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Why make something special and different the same and boring? The third name stream is an option you don't have to use if you don't want to. On 17 June 2010 11:00, Ben Taberner <ben.taberner@gmail.com> wrote: > Since there has been a deluge of shockingly constructive Namer/Counter > Spell discussion lately, I'd though I'd chip in with a parallel topic. I've > recently (in years) played my first adventure with a baby Namer and I've yet > to tackle the wonderful world of three stream ranking. > > I'm just wondering what experiences other Namer players have had and > whether the complexity in introduces is comparable to the joy of more > columns in your Ranking spreadsheet and balancing your choices between the > various kinds of doom you anticipate seeing on adventure? How effective or > onerous a limit does this place on the inevitable ascension of a Namer to > the ranks of the mighty? How much more of a chore has it become when > compared to the greater range of SK spells available now? > > Naturally it's a cornerstone of Namer Superiority, but could this > idiosyncrasy be simplified to an equivalent (or inverse) of Talent > ranking? > > Given that I'm tragically lazy, should I give up on this Namer lark and > play a Celestial or something? > > > > ben > --000feaf11132e83a4e04892e0a43 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <font face=3D"georgia,serif">Why make something special and different the s= ame and boring? The third name stream is an option you don't have to us= e if you don't want to. <br></font><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 June 2010 11:00, Ben Taberner <span dir=3D= "ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ben.taberner@gmail.com">ben.taberner@gmail.com<= /a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex= ; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Since there has been a deluge of= shockingly constructive Namer/Counter Spell discussion lately, I'd tho= ugh I'd chip in with a parallel topic.=A0 I've recently (in years) = played my first adventure with a baby Namer and I've yet to tackle the = wonderful world of three stream ranking.<br> <br>I'm just wondering what experiences other Namer players have had an= d whether the complexity in introduces is comparable to the joy of more col= umns in your Ranking spreadsheet and balancing your choices between the var= ious kinds of doom you anticipate seeing on adventure?=A0 How effective or = onerous a limit does this place on the inevitable ascension of a Namer to t= he ranks of the mighty?=A0 How much more of a chore has it become when comp= ared to the greater range of SK spells available now?<br> <br>Naturally it's a cornerstone of Namer Superiority, but could this i= diosyncrasy be simplified to an equivalent (or inverse) of Talent ranking?= =A0=A0 <br><br>Given that I'm tragically lazy, should I give up on this= Namer lark and play a Celestial or something?<br> <font color=3D"#888888"><br><br><br>ben<br></font></blockquote></div><br> --000feaf11132e83a4e04892e0a43-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
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| From | Martin Dickson |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:28:33 +1200 |
--001636137a7892b9a404892e1440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Read-as-written then no-one can have any OOC CS, since they have to be learning from either a Namer or an Adpet of the College in question with Rk 6+ in the CS. -- On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com>wr= ote: > I also meant to say, I believe the current Rules as written don=92t allo= w > you to teach any Counterspells that you may happen to know to an Adept of= a > different College than your own. > > As we obviously want this to be allowed (e.g. Namers teaching non-Namers = as > a minimum), we should write it down clearly if we are adjusting > Namer/Counters anyway. > > --001636137a7892b9a404892e1440 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Read-as-written then no-one can have any OOC CS, since they have to be lear= ning from either a Namer or an Adpet of the College in question with Rk 6+ = in the CS.<br><br>--<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 17, 2010= at 11:24 AM, Errol Cavit <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:Errol.Cav= it@tollgroup.com">Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde= r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-NZ"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1= 25);">I also meant to say, I believe the current Rules as written don=92t allow you to teach any Counterspells that you may happen to know to an Adep= t of a different College than your own.</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1= 25);">As we obviously want this to be allowed (e.g. Namers teaching non-Namers as a minimum), we should write it down clearly if we are adjusti= ng Namer/Counters anyway.</span></p><br></div></div></blockquote></div> --001636137a7892b9a404892e1440-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Baby Namer Question - The Third Stream |
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| From | Errol Cavit |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:29:05 +1200 |
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I actually treat it as 4 stream ranking - two normal, one Names only, and a=
fourth that can make use of any gaps in the first pair (e.g ranking a ritu=
al with no other magic in the 'other half). So my list of names on my ranki=
ng sheet has four columns, available to allocate the days required to be sp=
ent.
I normally do my ranking 'as normal', then put a couple of ranks into which=
ever Names I think might be useful until I run out of spare days.
I did have a lot of time off early on, so got the main player races to midd=
ling ranks then. This was partly because it was less daunting than trying t=
o guess what other names might become useful.
Errol
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ben=
Taberner
Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:01 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq] Baby Namer Question - The Third Stream
Since there has been a deluge of shockingly constructive Namer/Counter Spel=
l discussion lately, I'd though I'd chip in with a parallel topic. I've re=
cently (in years) played my first adventure with a baby Namer and I've yet =
to tackle the wonderful world of three stream ranking.
I'm just wondering what experiences other Namer players have had and whethe=
r the complexity in introduces is comparable to the joy of more columns in =
your Ranking spreadsheet and balancing your choices between the various kin=
ds of doom you anticipate seeing on adventure? How effective or onerous a =
limit does this place on the inevitable ascension of a Namer to the ranks o=
f the mighty? How much more of a chore has it become when compared to the =
greater range of SK spells available now?
Naturally it's a cornerstone of Namer Superiority, but could this idiosyncr=
asy be simplified to an equivalent (or inverse) of Talent ranking?
Given that I'm tragically lazy, should I give up on this Namer lark and pla=
y a Celestial or something?
ben
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I actually treat it as 4 stream ranking – two normal, =
one
Names only, and a fourth that can make use of any gaps in the first pair (e=
.g
ranking a ritual with no other magic in the ‘other half). So my list =
of
names on my ranking sheet has four columns, available to allocate the days
required to be spent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I normally do my ranking ‘as normal’, then put a
couple of ranks into whichever Names I think might be useful until I run ou=
t of
spare days.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I did have a lot of time off early on, so got the main playe=
r
races to middling ranks then. This was partly because it was less daunting =
than
trying to guess what other names might become useful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
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color:#1F497D'>Errol<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ben Taberner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:01 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [dq] Baby Namer Question - The Third Stream<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Since there has been a deluge of shockingly constructi=
ve
Namer/Counter Spell discussion lately, I'd though I'd chip in with a parall=
el
topic. I've recently (in years) played my first adventure with a baby
Namer and I've yet to tackle the wonderful world of three stream ranking.<b=
r>
<br>
I'm just wondering what experiences other Namer players have had and whethe=
r
the complexity in introduces is comparable to the joy of more columns in yo=
ur
Ranking spreadsheet and balancing your choices between the various kinds of
doom you anticipate seeing on adventure? How effective or onerous a l=
imit
does this place on the inevitable ascension of a Namer to the ranks of the
mighty? How much more of a chore has it become when compared to the
greater range of SK spells available now?<br>
<br>
Naturally it's a cornerstone of Namer Superiority, but could this idiosyncr=
asy
be simplified to an equivalent (or inverse) of Talent ranking? =
<br>
<br>
Given that I'm tragically lazy, should I give up on this Namer lark and pla=
y a
Celestial or something?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
ben<o:p></o:p></p>
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| Subject | Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal |
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| From | Jim Arona |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:30:40 +1200 |
--000feae9aa12215d3604892e1cae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It takes a Namer an hour to learn a new counterspell currently. On 17 June 2010 11:04, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com>wrote: > >> >> >> You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-Namer? So if EM changed >> to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks? >> > > Training time = 1 + (EM/100) weeks.... so yes. > > > --000feae9aa12215d3604892e1cae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <font face=3D"georgia,serif">It takes a Namer an hour to learn a new counte= rspell currently.<br></font><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 June 2010 11:04, Martin Dickson <span dir= =3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.com">martin.dickson@gma= il.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex= ; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div class=3D"im">On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Errol Cavit <span dir=3D= "ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" target=3D"_blank">Er= rol.Cavit@tollgroup.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0pt 0= pt 0pt 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div lang=3D"EN-NZ" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue"> <div>=A0=20 <p class=3D"MsoNormal">You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-N= amer? So if EM changed to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks?</p><= /div></div></blockquote></div> <div><br>Training time =3D 1 + (EM/100) weeks.... so yes.<br><br><br></div>= </div></blockquote></div><br> --000feae9aa12215d3604892e1cae-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Baby Namer Question - The Third Stream |
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| From | Jason Saggers |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:33:38 +1200 |
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This stream allow a Namer to rank there names, a very much needed part of
the Namer college.
Casting against a target about which you don't know at least the GTN incurs
a fairly hefty penalty to cast chance.
Ranking an ITN gives a good bonus (2) to cast chance per rank
And GTN a small bonus (1)..
This will mean most Namer will rank there ITN.. as spell such as dispel,
banishment etc,, are cast at yourself, then you cast the appropriate counter
at the thing you want to have it activate on.
This means at a minimum your will want to know the GTN (learns the name at
Rank 0), and preferably rank it to increases your cast chance...
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jim
Arona
Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:26 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Baby Namer Question - The Third Stream
Why make something special and different the same and boring? The third name
stream is an option you don't have to use if you don't want to.
On 17 June 2010 11:00, Ben Taberner <ben.taberner@gmail.com> wrote:
Since there has been a deluge of shockingly constructive Namer/Counter Spell
discussion lately, I'd though I'd chip in with a parallel topic. I've
recently (in years) played my first adventure with a baby Namer and I've yet
to tackle the wonderful world of three stream ranking.
I'm just wondering what experiences other Namer players have had and whether
the complexity in introduces is comparable to the joy of more columns in
your Ranking spreadsheet and balancing your choices between the various
kinds of doom you anticipate seeing on adventure? How effective or onerous
a limit does this place on the inevitable ascension of a Namer to the ranks
of the mighty? How much more of a chore has it become when compared to the
greater range of SK spells available now?
Naturally it's a cornerstone of Namer Superiority, but could this
idiosyncrasy be simplified to an equivalent (or inverse) of Talent ranking?
Given that I'm tragically lazy, should I give up on this Namer lark and play
a Celestial or something?
ben
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>This stream allow a Namer to rank there names, a very =
much
needed part of the Namer college.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Casting against a target about which you don’t know =
at
least the GTN incurs a fairly hefty penalty to cast =
chance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ranking an ITN gives a good bonus (2) to cast chance per =
rank<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And GTN a small bonus (1)..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This will mean most Namer will rank there ITN.. as =
spell
such as dispel, banishment etc,, are cast at yourself, then you cast the
appropriate counter at the thing you want to have it activate =
on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This means at a minimum your will want to know the GTN =
(learns
the name at Rank 0), and preferably rank it to increases your cast =
chance...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm 0cm'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Arona<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:26 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Baby Namer Question - The Third =
Stream<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Why
make something special and different the same and boring? The third name =
stream
is an option you don't have to use if you don't want to. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>On 17 June 2010 11:00, Ben Taberner <<a
href=3D"mailto:ben.taberner@gmail.com">ben.taberner@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Since there has been a deluge of shockingly =
constructive
Namer/Counter Spell discussion lately, I'd though I'd chip in with a =
parallel
topic. I've recently (in years) played my first adventure with a =
baby
Namer and I've yet to tackle the wonderful world of three stream =
ranking.<br>
<br>
I'm just wondering what experiences other Namer players have had and =
whether
the complexity in introduces is comparable to the joy of more columns in =
your
Ranking spreadsheet and balancing your choices between the various kinds =
of
doom you anticipate seeing on adventure? How effective or onerous =
a limit
does this place on the inevitable ascension of a Namer to the ranks of =
the
mighty? How much more of a chore has it become when compared to =
the
greater range of SK spells available now?<br>
<br>
Naturally it's a cornerstone of Namer Superiority, but could this =
idiosyncrasy
be simplified to an equivalent (or inverse) of Talent =
ranking? <br>
<br>
Given that I'm tragically lazy, should I give up on this Namer lark and =
play a
Celestial or something?<br>
<span style=3D'color:#888888'><br>
<br>
<br>
ben</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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| From | Jason Saggers |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:35:38 +1200 |
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Assuming they have access to a college effect that lasts at least an
hour......
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jim
Arona
Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:31 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal
It takes a Namer an hour to learn a new counterspell currently.
On 17 June 2010 11:04, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com>
wrote:
You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-Namer? So if EM changed
to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks?
Training time = 1 + (EM/100) weeks.... so yes.
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least an hour......<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Arona<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:31 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>It
takes a Namer an hour to learn a new counterspell =
currently.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>On 17 June 2010 11:04, Martin Dickson <<a
href=3D"mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.com">martin.dickson@gmail.com</a>>=
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Errol Cavit <<a
href=3D"mailto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" =
target=3D"_blank">Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>You
are referring to the time taken to teach a non-Namer? So if EM changed =
to 100
this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>
Training time =3D 1 + (EM/100) weeks.... so yes.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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| From | Errol Cavit |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:41:12 +1200 |
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If you have an adept of the college, or magic in effect available to Divina=
te. Otherwise a day's teaching (from a Namer).
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jim=
Arona
Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:31 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal
It takes a Namer an hour to learn a new counterspell currently.
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amily:
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e:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Arona<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:31 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| From | Martin Dickson |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:44:23 +1200 |
--0016363b87d43f7e8804892e4d73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think Parky was referring to Namers (having learnt Blue Cheese College or whatever) in the manner you state being requested (after reaching rk6) to teach it to non-Namers. (Though I may have misunderstood Michael). On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: > It takes a Namer an hour to learn a new counterspell currently. > > On 17 June 2010 11:04, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-Namer? So if EM >>> changed to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks? >>> >> >> Training time = 1 + (EM/100) weeks.... so yes. >> >> >> > --0016363b87d43f7e8804892e4d73 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think Parky was referring to Namers (having learnt Blue Cheese College or= whatever) in the manner you state being requested (after reaching rk6) to = teach it to non-Namers.<br><br>(Though I may have misunderstood Michael).<b= r> <br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jim Arona = <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com">jim.arona@gmai= l.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m= argin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); paddin= g-left: 1ex;"> <font face=3D"georgia,serif">It takes a Namer an hour to learn a new counte= rspell currently.<br></font><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 June 2010 11:04, Martin Dickson <span dir= =3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">= martin.dickson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px= 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im"> <div>On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Errol Cavit <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a = href=3D"mailto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" target=3D"_blank">Errol.Cavit@tol= lgroup.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt= 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue" lang=3D"EN-NZ"> <div>=A0=20 <p class=3D"MsoNormal">You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-N= amer? So if EM changed to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks?</p><= /div></div></blockquote></div> </div><div><br><div class=3D"im">Training time =3D 1 + (EM/100) weeks.... s= o yes.<br><br><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br> </blockquote></div><br> --0016363b87d43f7e8804892e4d73-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal |
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| From | Errol Cavit |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:53:36 +1200 |
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A clear case of the sensible thing to do make the written rules clearly ref=
lect the practice.
Just needs an extra sentence after:
These spells and rituals are
still specific to a College so an Adept can only learn
them from another Adept of the same College.
...
Characters may learn Counterspells from colleges
other than their own.
.
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Mar=
tin Dickson
Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:29 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal
Read-as-written then no-one can have any OOC CS, since they have to be lear=
ning from either a Namer or an Adpet of the College in question with Rk 6+ =
in the CS.
--
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com<ma=
ilto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com>> wrote:
I also meant to say, I believe the current Rules as written don't allow you=
to teach any Counterspells that you may happen to know to an Adept of a di=
fferent College than your own.
As we obviously want this to be allowed (e.g. Namers teaching non-Namers as=
a minimum), we should write it down clearly if we are adjusting Namer/Coun=
ters anyway.
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les clearly
reflect the practice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just needs an extra sente=
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after:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
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font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span><=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
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font-family:NimbusRomNo9L-Regu'>These spells and rituals are<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:8.0pt;
font-family:NimbusRomNo9L-Regu'>still specific to a College so an Adept can
only learn<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:8.0pt;
font-family:NimbusRomNo9L-Regu'>them from another Adept of the same College=
.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:8.0pt;
font-family:NimbusRomNo9L-Regu'>…</span><span style=3D'font-size:11.0=
pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:8.0pt;
font-family:NimbusRomNo9L-Regu'>Characters may learn Counterspells from
colleges<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:8.0pt;
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"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Dickson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:29 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Read-as-written then no=
-one can
have any OOC CS, since they have to be learning from either a Namer or an A=
dpet
of the College in question with Rk 6+ in the CS.<br>
<br>
--<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Errol Cavit <<a
href=3D"mailto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com">Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I also meant to say, I believe the
current Rules as written don’t allow you to teach any Counterspells t=
hat
you may happen to know to an Adept of a different College than your own.</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>As we obviously want this to be al=
lowed
(e.g. Namers teaching non-Namers as a minimum), we should write it down cle=
arly
if we are adjusting Namer/Counters anyway.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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| From | Errol Cavit |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:59:22 +1200 |
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Sorry, also note that Namers don't need to be rank 6 to teach _another Name=
r_ counterspells that they know. The process of teaching/learning 'familiar=
ity' is different from normal spell teaching/learning.
If a Namer encounters Colleged
magic of a form with which they are not familiar they
may familiarize themselves with the College by one
of the following methods:
* By using the Ritual of Divination on an Adept of
that College.
* By Divinating a magical effect produced by that
College, provided that it is still in effect.
* By spending a day's study with a Namer who is
already familiar with the College.
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Err=
ol Cavit
Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:41 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal
If you have an adept of the college, or magic in effect available to Divina=
te. Otherwise a day's teaching (from a Namer).
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jim=
Arona
Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:31 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal
It takes a Namer an hour to learn a new counterspell currently.
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"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sorry, also note that Namers don’t need to be rank 6 t=
o
teach _another <i>Namer</i>_ counterspells that they know. The process of
teaching/learning ‘familiarity’ is different from normal spell
teaching/learning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:8.0pt;
font-family:NimbusRomNo9L-Regu'>If a Namer encounters Colleged<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:8.0pt;
font-family:NimbusRomNo9L-Regu'>magic of a form with which they are not
familiar they<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:8.0pt;
font-family:NimbusRomNo9L-Regu'>may familiarize themselves with the College=
by
one<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:8.0pt;
font-family:NimbusRomNo9L-Regu'>of the following methods:<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:8.0pt;
font-family:NimbusRomNo9L-Regu'>• By using the Ritual of Divination o=
n an
Adept of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:8.0pt;
font-family:NimbusRomNo9L-Regu'>that College.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:8.0pt;
font-family:NimbusRomNo9L-Regu'>• By Divinating a magical effect prod=
uced
by that<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:8.0pt;
font-family:NimbusRomNo9L-Regu'>College, provided that it is still in effec=
t.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:8.0pt;
font-family:NimbusRomNo9L-Regu'>• By spending a day’s study wit=
h a
Namer who is<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:NimbusRomNo=
9L-Regu'>already
familiar with the College.</span><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Errol Cavit<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:41 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you have an adept of the college, or magic in effect
available to Divinate. Otherwise a day’s teaching (from a Namer).<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
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0cm 0cm'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Arona<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:31 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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takes a Namer an hour to learn a new counterspell currently.</span><o:p></o=
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| From | Jim Arona |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:06:50 +1200 |
--001485f85ba4818c6f04892e9de5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't think so. He usually sends people to the the Guild Namers if they want to learn an unusual counterspell. On 17 June 2010 11:44, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com> wrote: > I think Parky was referring to Namers (having learnt Blue Cheese College or > whatever) in the manner you state being requested (after reaching rk6) to > teach it to non-Namers. > > (Though I may have misunderstood Michael). > > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It takes a Namer an hour to learn a new counterspell currently. >> >> On 17 June 2010 11:04, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-Namer? So if EM >>>> changed to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks? >>>> >>> >>> Training time = 1 + (EM/100) weeks.... so yes. >>> >>> >>> >> > --001485f85ba4818c6f04892e9de5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <font face=3D"georgia,serif">I don't think so. He usually sends people = to the the Guild Namers if they want to learn an unusual counterspell.<br><= /font><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 June 2010 11:44, Martin Dickson <span dir= =3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.com">martin.dickson@gma= il.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex= ; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">I think Parky was referring to N= amers (having learnt Blue Cheese College or whatever) in the manner you sta= te being requested (after reaching rk6) to teach it to non-Namers.<br> <br>(Though I may have misunderstood Michael).<br><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div class=3D"im">On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jim Arona <span dir=3D"= ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jim.arona= @gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0pt 0= pt 0pt 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div class=3D"im"><font face=3D"georgia,serif">It takes a Namer an hour to = learn a new counterspell currently.<br></font><br></div> <div class=3D"im"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 June 2010 11:04, Martin Dickson <span dir= =3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">= martin.dickson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0= px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div> <div>On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Errol Cavit <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a = href=3D"mailto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" target=3D"_blank">Errol.Cavit@tol= lgroup.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0pt 0= pt 0pt 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div lang=3D"EN-NZ" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue"> <div>=A0=20 <p class=3D"MsoNormal">You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-N= amer? So if EM changed to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks?</p><= /div></div></blockquote></div></div> <div><br> <div>Training time =3D 1 + (EM/100) weeks.... so yes.<br><br><br></div></di= v></div></blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div><br></blockquote></= div><br> --001485f85ba4818c6f04892e9de5-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Baby Namer Question - The Third Stream |
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| From | William Dymock-Johnson |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:37:10 +1200 |
--0016e646058afdb02004892f09e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I take advice from the timecube guy when doing ranking for my namer :-P > --0016e646058afdb02004892f09e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0= px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <div lang=3D"EN-NZ" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue"> <div> <div style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #b= 5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: mediu= m none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">I take advice from th= e timecube guy when doing ranking for my namer :-P</div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br> --0016e646058afdb02004892f09e5-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal |
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| From | Michael Parkinson |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:57:14 +1200 |
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Martin is correct. In the most recent case, it was easy enough for me to l=
earn it and to teach it to the Guild Namer; but a couple of non-Namer guild=
members on the party wanted to learn Counter Exsanguination Special. So I=
had to rank it to rank 6 first ["An Adept must have ranked a spell or ritu=
al to Rank 6 before they can teach it."], and then spent three weeks teach=
ing it ["Characters may learn Counterspells from colleges other than their =
own. The Counterspells of other colleges are practised at Rank 0 and may no=
t be ranked."].
In the past, I've also taught counters to guild-members if there was spare =
"down-time" (e.g. on a long voyage where someone else was navigating), beca=
use medium-level character were out adventuring with no magical cure or pro=
phylactic for Rank 10+ Sleep, or Damnum minatum, or Phantasm, etc ...
Michael Parkinson (Ph 3737 599 ext 85858)
m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz
Mathematics & Statistics Subject Librarian
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On 17 June 2010 11:44, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com<mailto:mart=
in.dickson@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think Parky was referring to Namers (having learnt Blue Cheese College or=
whatever) in the manner you state being requested (after reaching rk6) to =
teach it to non-Namers.
(Though I may have misunderstood Michael).
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com<mailto:jim=
.arona@gmail.com>> wrote:
It takes a Namer an hour to learn a new counterspell currently.
On 17 June 2010 11:04, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com<mailto:mart=
in.dickson@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com<mai=
lto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com>> wrote:
You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-Namer? So if EM changed =
to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks?
Training time =3D 1 + (EM/100) weeks.... so yes.
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Martin is correct.&nb=
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the most recent case, it was easy enough for me to learn it and to teach it=
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the Guild Namer; but a couple of non-Namer guild members on the party wante=
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[“</span><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:NimbusRomNo9L-Reg=
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may learn Counterspells from colleges other than their own. The Counterspel=
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of other colleges are practised at Rank 0 and may not be ranked.</span><spa=
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>”]. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'font-size=
:11.0pt'>In
the past, I’ve also taught counters to guild-members if there was spa=
re “down-time”
(e.g. on a long voyage where someone else was navigating), because medium-l=
evel
character were out adventuring with no magical cure or prophylactic for Ran=
k
10+ <i>Sleep</i>, or <i>Damnum minatum</i>, or <i>Phantasm</i>, etc …=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Michael Parkinson (Ph 3737 599 ext 85858)<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz<br>
Mathematics & Statistics Subject Librarian<br>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>On 17 June 2010 11:44, Martin Dickson <<a
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rote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I think Parky was refer=
ring to
Namers (having learnt Blue Cheese College or whatever) in the manner you st=
ate
being requested (after reaching rk6) to teach it to non-Namers.<br>
<br>
(Though I may have misunderstood Michael).<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jim Arona <<a
href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jim.arona@gmail.com</=
a>>
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takes a Namer an hour to learn a new counterspell currently.</span><o:p></o=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>On 17 June 2010 11:04, Martin Dickson <<a
href=3D"mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">martin.dickson@g=
mail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Errol Cavit <<a
href=3D"mailto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" target=3D"_blank">Errol.Cavit@tol=
lgroup.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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are referring to the time taken to teach a non-Namer? So if EM changed to 1=
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this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks?<o:p></o:p></p>
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| Subject | Re: [dq] Counterspell proposal |
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| From | Jim Arona |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:16:52 +1200 |
--00c09f905ffb09102104892f9882 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just had to check to make sure I have those. On 17 June 2010 12:57, Michael Parkinson <m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz> wrote= : > In the past, I=92ve also taught counters to guild-members if there was > spare =93down-time=94 (e.g. on a long voyage where someone else was navig= ating), > because medium-level character were out adventuring with no magical cure = or > prophylactic for Rank 10+ *Sleep*, or *Damnum minatum*, or *Phantasm*, et= c > =85 > > > > > > Michael Parkinson (Ph 3737 599 ext 85858) > > m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz > Mathematics & Statistics Subject Librarian > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D > > On 17 June 2010 11:44, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think Parky was referring to Namers (having learnt Blue Cheese College = or > whatever) in the manner you state being requested (after reaching rk6) to > teach it to non-Namers. > > (Though I may have misunderstood Michael). > > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: > > It takes a Namer an hour to learn a new counterspell currently. > > On 17 June 2010 11:04, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com> > wrote: > > > > You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-Namer? So if EM change= d > to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks? > > > > Training time =3D 1 + (EM/100) weeks.... so yes. > > > > > > > --00c09f905ffb09102104892f9882 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">Just had to check to make sure I have tho= se.</font><font face=3D"georgia,serif"><br></font><br></div> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 June 2010 12:57, Michael Parkinson <span d= ir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz">m.parkinson@au= ckland.ac.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex= ; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div lang=3D"EN-NZ" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">In the past, I=92ve = also taught counters to guild-members if there was spare =93down-time=94 (e= .g. on a long voyage where someone else was navigating), because medium-lev= el character were out adventuring with no magical cure or prophylactic for = Rank 10+ <i>Sleep</i>, or <i>Damnum minatum</i>, or <i>Phantasm</i>, etc = =85</span></p> <div class=3D"im"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">=A0</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michael Parkinson (Ph 3737 599 ext 85858)</p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"mailto:m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz" target= =3D"_blank">m.parkinson@auckland.ac.nz</a><br>Mathematics & Statistics = Subject Librarian<br>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></span></p> </div></div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 17 June 2010 11:44, Martin Dickson <<a href=3D= "mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">martin.dickson@gmail.co= m</a>> wrote:</p> <div class=3D"im"> <p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3D"MsoNormal">I think Parky was refe= rring to Namers (having learnt Blue Cheese College or whatever) in the mann= er you state being requested (after reaching rk6) to teach it to non-Namers= .<br> <br>(Though I may have misunderstood Michael).</p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jim Arona <<a h= ref=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jim.arona@gmail.com</a= >> wrote:</p></div> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1pt s= olid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 6pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; MARGIN-LE= FT: 4.8pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-RIGHT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0cm"> <div> <p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"FONT-FA= MILY: 'Georgia', 'serif'">It takes a Namer an hour to learn= a new counterspell currently.</span></p></div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 17 June 2010 11:04, Martin Dickson <<a href=3D= "mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">martin.dickson@gmail.co= m</a>> wrote:</p> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Errol Cavit <<a = href=3D"mailto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" target=3D"_blank">Errol.Cavit@tol= lgroup.com</a>> wrote:</p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0 </p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">You are referring to the time taken to teach a non-N= amer? So if EM changed to 100 this would drop from 3 weeks to 2 weeks?</p><= /div></div></div></div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p> <div> <p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3D"MsoNormal">Training time =3D 1 + = (EM/100) weeks.... so yes.<br><br></p></div></div></div></div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p></div></blockquote></div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p></div></div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p></div></div></blockquote></div><br> --00c09f905ffb09102104892f9882-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Baby Namer Question - The Third Stream |
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| From | Martin Dickson |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:50:34 +1200 |
--00c09ffb4df67e0bf70489301063 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Someone who, reading between the lines... err... edges... of his site, is about as sane as a rat in a coffee-can, and in all probability a supplicant of the Great Old Ones. On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:37 PM, William Dymock-Johnson < dymockjohnsonwilliam@gmail.com> wrote: > I take advice from the timecube guy when doing ranking for my namer :-P >> > > --00c09ffb4df67e0bf70489301063 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone who, reading between the lines... err... edges... of his site, is a= bout as sane as a rat in a coffee-can, and in all probability a supplicant = of the Great Old Ones.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 17, 20= 10 at 12:37 PM, William Dymock-Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mai= lto:dymockjohnsonwilliam@gmail.com">dymockjohnsonwilliam@gmail.com</a>><= /span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde= r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gma= il_quote"> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left: 1ex; margin: 0px 0= px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);"> <div vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue" lang=3D"EN-NZ"> <div> <div style=3D"padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border= -style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-col= or -moz-use-text-color;">I take advice from the timecube guy when doing ran= king for my namer :-P</div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br> </blockquote></div><br> --00c09ffb4df67e0bf70489301063-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Baby Namer Question - The Third Stream |
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| From | William Dymock-Johnson |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:26:27 +1200 |
--90e6ba1818228528640489331437 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But not without it's applications :-) On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com>wrote: > Someone who, reading between the lines... err... edges... of his site, is > about as sane as a rat in a coffee-can, and in all probability a supplicant > of the Great Old Ones. > > > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:37 PM, William Dymock-Johnson < > dymockjohnsonwilliam@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I take advice from the timecube guy when doing ranking for my namer :-P >>> >> >> > --90e6ba1818228528640489331437 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But not without it's applications :-)<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"= >On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Martin Dickson <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h= ref=3D"mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.com">martin.dickson@gmail.com</a>></s= pan> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Someone who, reading between the lines... e= rr... edges... of his site, is about as sane as a rat in a coffee-can, and = in all probability a supplicant of the Great Old Ones.<div> <div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun= 17, 2010 at 12:37 PM, William Dymock-Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href= =3D"mailto:dymockjohnsonwilliam@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dymockjohnsonw= illiam@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-= left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quo= te"> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px = 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204)"> <div vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue" lang=3D"EN-NZ"> <div> <div style=3D"padding:3pt 0cm 0cm;border-width:1pt medium medium;border-sty= le:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz= -use-text-color">I take advice from the timecube guy when doing ranking for= my namer :-P</div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br> </blockquote></div><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br> --90e6ba1818228528640489331437-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Baby Namer Question - The Third Stream |
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| From | Jonathan Bean |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:41:12 +1200 |
--0016e648d16248f4800489334908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 17 June 2010 11:00, Ben Taberner <ben.taberner@gmail.com> wrote: > Since there has been a deluge of shockingly constructive Namer/Counter > Spell discussion lately, I'd though I'd chip in with a parallel topic. I've > recently (in years) played my first adventure with a baby Namer and I've yet > to tackle the wonderful world of three stream ranking. > It is no real additional work as long as you use Neils Namer ranking MS Excell spreadsheet. So since no additional work and some return it adds some stuff. > I'm just wondering what experiences other Namer players have had and > whether the complexity in introduces is comparable to the joy of more > columns in your Ranking spreadsheet and balancing your choices between the > various kinds of doom you anticipate seeing on adventure? How effective or > onerous a limit does this place on the inevitable ascension of a Namer to > the ranks of the mighty? How much more of a chore has it become when > compared to the greater range of SK spells available now? > Rank your own name and common race names first. > Naturally it's a cornerstone of Namer Superiority, but could this > idiosyncrasy be simplified to an equivalent (or inverse) of Talent > ranking? > Umm I would be unkeen to have the rules changed to suit you since you don't play a Namer very often, but if we have to do it I guess I would go along with helping you to understand it. Given that I'm tragically lazy, should I give up on this Namer lark and play > a Celestial or something? Celestial is okay, but try an Earth Mage if you really want to be lazy ;-) Kind regards Jonathan Bean H: +64 9 828 2959 M: +64 21 917 173 G: jonobean@gmail.com --0016e648d16248f4800489334908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 June 2010= 11:00, Ben Taberner <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ben.taberner@g= mail.com">ben.taberner@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd= ing-left:1ex;"> Since there has been a deluge of shockingly constructive Namer/Counter Spel= l discussion lately, I'd though I'd chip in with a parallel topic.= =A0 I've recently (in years) played my first adventure with a baby Name= r and I've yet to tackle the wonderful world of three stream ranking.<b= r> </blockquote><div><br></div><div>It is no real additional work as long as y= ou use Neils Namer ranking MS Excell spreadsheet. So since no additional wo= rk and some return it adds some stuff.<div><br></div></div><div>=A0</div> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I'm just wondering what experiences oth= er Namer players have had and whether the complexity in introduces is compa= rable to the joy of more columns in your Ranking spreadsheet and balancing = your choices between the various kinds of doom you anticipate seeing on adv= enture?=A0 How effective or onerous a limit does this place on the inevitab= le ascension of a Namer to the ranks of the mighty?=A0 How much more of a c= hore has it become when compared to the greater range of SK spells availabl= e now?<br> </blockquote><div><br></div><div>Rank your own name and common race names f= irst.</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:= 0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Naturally it's= a cornerstone of Namer Superiority, but could this idiosyncrasy be simplif= ied to an equivalent (or inverse) of Talent ranking?=A0=A0 <br> </blockquote><div><br></div><div>Umm I would be unkeen to have the rules ch= anged to suit you since you don't play a Namer very often, but if we ha= ve to do it I guess I would go along with helping you to understand it.</di= v> <div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex= ;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Given that I'm tragicall= y lazy, should I give up on this Namer lark and play a Celestial or somethi= ng?</blockquote> <div><br></div><div>Celestial is okay, but try an Earth Mage if you really = want to be lazy ;-)</div></div><br clear=3D"all">Kind regards</div><div><br= ></div><div>Jonathan Bean<br>H: +64 9 828 2959<br>M: +64 21 917 173<br>G: <= a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com">jonobean@gmail.com</a><br> </div></div> --0016e648d16248f4800489334908-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Ruleset Issues, was Counterspell proposal |
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| From | RPer 4eva |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:20:21 +1200 |
--0016e68deb6f52037f048933d538 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've just skimmed most of the arguements but I'm wondering if it focus's too much on the high end. I don't think we should reduce the MR because a few people at the high ends can get over a 100% MR. Most people at bunny, low, medium and I suspect a lot at high don't go over 100% MR with a current level 0 CS. My namer doesn't go to 100% with any MR with her rank 6 counterspells. Can we use more standard levels for talking about MR rather than the few rares. If we debated armor in the same context I suspect that the extremes have far more armour than we might like in general. Probably also too much damage. Doesn't mean everyone should suffer. Maybe just be a little more careful about what is given to them to allow them insane stats. Dylan --0016e68deb6f52037f048933d538 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div>I've just skimmed most of the arguements but I'm wondering if = it focus's too much on the high end. I don't think we should reduce= the MR because a few people at the high ends can get over a 100% MR. Most = people at bunny, low, medium and I suspect a lot at high don't go over = 100% MR with a current level 0 CS. My namer doesn't go to 100% with any= MR with her rank 6 counterspells. Can we use more standard levels for talk= ing about MR rather than the few rares. If we debated armor in the same con= text I suspect that the extremes have far more armour than we might like in= general. Probably also too much damage. Doesn't mean everyone should s= uffer. Maybe just be a little more careful about what is given to them to a= llow them insane stats.</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>Dylan</div> --0016e68deb6f52037f048933d538-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | [dq-announce] PCs looking for games |
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| From | Keith Smith |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:40:14 +1200 |
Is there anyone still out there looking for a game who hasn't got one? Please let me know if there is. Keith -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
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| From | Keith Smith |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:03:33 +1200 |
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> Exsanguination Spec; Counter Nano Spec (6 more counters @ average rank 5).
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Phaeton may be around to see you to complete his collection then .. what
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| Subject | Re: [dq] PCs looking for games |
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| From | Jim Arona |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:46:39 +1200 |
--000feaee4de68316c5048935e0b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, me. Bernard has removed me from his game, so now I am without a game for the second season running and ENTIRELY pissed off over it. On 17 June 2010 18:40, Keith Smith <phaeton@ihug.co.nz> wrote: > Is there anyone still out there looking for a game who hasn't got one? > Please let me know if there is. > > Keith > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > --000feaee4de68316c5048935e0b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <font face=3D"georgia,serif">Yeah, me. Bernard has removed me from his game= , so now I am without a game for the second season running and ENTIRELY pis= sed off over it.<br></font><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 June 2010 18:40, Keith Smith <span dir=3D"= ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:phaeton@ihug.co.nz">phaeton@ihug.co.nz</a>></= span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex= ; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Is there anyone still out there = looking for a game who hasn't got one? =A0Please let me know if there i= s.<br> <br>Keith<br><br><br>-- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-a= nnounce-request@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-announce-request@dq.sf.o= rg.nz</a> --<br></blockquote></div><br> --000feaee4de68316c5048935e0b4-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq-announce] PCs looking for games |
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| From | Jim Arona |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:46:39 +1200 |
--000feaee4de68316c5048935e0b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, me. Bernard has removed me from his game, so now I am without a game for the second season running and ENTIRELY pissed off over it. On 17 June 2010 18:40, Keith Smith <phaeton@ihug.co.nz> wrote: > Is there anyone still out there looking for a game who hasn't got one? > Please let me know if there is. > > Keith > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > --000feaee4de68316c5048935e0b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <font face=3D"georgia,serif">Yeah, me. Bernard has removed me from his game= , so now I am without a game for the second season running and ENTIRELY pis= sed off over it.<br></font><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 June 2010 18:40, Keith Smith <span dir=3D"= ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:phaeton@ihug.co.nz">phaeton@ihug.co.nz</a>></= span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex= ; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Is there anyone still out there = looking for a game who hasn't got one? =A0Please let me know if there i= s.<br> <br>Keith<br><br><br>-- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-a= nnounce-request@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-announce-request@dq.sf.o= rg.nz</a> --<br></blockquote></div><br> --000feaee4de68316c5048935e0b4-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] PCs looking for games |
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| From | Jonathan Bean |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:51:14 +1200 |
--0016e646070ce98173048935f0a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Not sure I follow you Jim what do you mean? Kind regards Jono On 17 June 2010 20:46, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, me. Bernard has removed me from his game, so now I am without a game > for the second season running and ENTIRELY pissed off over it. > > On 17 June 2010 18:40, Keith Smith <phaeton@ihug.co.nz> wrote: > >> Is there anyone still out there looking for a game who hasn't got one? >> Please let me know if there is. >> >> Keith >> >> >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- >> > > -- Kind regards, Jonathan Bean H: +64 9 828 2959 M: +64 21 917 173 G: jonobean@gmail.com --0016e646070ce98173048935f0a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not sure I follow you Jim what do you mean?<div><br></div><div>Kind regards= </div><div>Jono<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 June 2010 20:46, Ji= m Arona <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com">jim.ar= ona@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><font fac= e=3D"georgia,serif">Yeah, me. Bernard has removed me from his game, so now = I am without a game for the second season running and ENTIRELY pissed off o= ver it.<br> </font><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 June 2010 18:40, Keith Smith <span dir=3D"= ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:phaeton@ihug.co.nz" target=3D"_blank">phaeton@ih= ug.co.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;pa= dding-left:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Is there anyone still out there looki= ng for a game who hasn't got one? =A0Please let me know if there is.<br= > <br>Keith<br><br><br>-- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-a= nnounce-request@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-announce-request@dq.sf.o= rg.nz</a> --<br></blockquote></div><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Kind regard= s,<br><br>Jonathan Bean<br>H: +64 9 828 2959<br>M: +64 21 917 173<br>G: <a = href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com">jonobean@gmail.com</a><br> </div> --0016e646070ce98173048935f0a3-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Ruleset Issues, was Counterspell proposal |
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| From | Jim Arona |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:10:56 +1200 |
--00163628398657a5d804893637cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There is no focus on the high end of the game, and never has been, Dylan. It's about the size of the bonus. Assuming a 70% base chance, and 15 MR the chance of the spell being avoided or failing is 40%. If you have a Rank 0 counterspell on, that chance is 62%, which means that the caster would have a way less than even chance of getting the spell to stick. Counterspells give a beginning character twice the MR that they start with 15=>45, and they go up from there. I don't understand where you have derived the notion that this is about what happens at the high end of the game. On 17 June 2010 18:20, RPer 4eva <msnoverflow@gmail.com> wrote: > I've just skimmed most of the arguements but I'm wondering if it focus's > too much on the high end. I don't think we should reduce the MR because a > few people at the high ends can get over a 100% MR. Most people at bunny, > low, medium and I suspect a lot at high don't go over 100% MR with a current > level 0 CS. My namer doesn't go to 100% with any MR with her rank 6 > counterspells. Can we use more standard levels for talking about MR rather > than the few rares. If we debated armor in the same context I suspect that > the extremes have far more armour than we might like in general. Probably > also too much damage. Doesn't mean everyone should suffer. Maybe just be a > little more careful about what is given to them to allow them insane stats. > > Dylan > --00163628398657a5d804893637cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">There is no focus on the high end of the = game, and never has been, Dylan. It's about the size of the bonus. </fo= nt></div> <div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">Assuming a 70% base chance, and 15 MR the= chance of the spell being avoided or failing is 40%. If you have a Rank 0 = counterspell on, that chance is 62%, which means that the caster would have= a way less than even chance of getting the spell to stick. Counterspells g= ive a beginning character twice the MR that they start with 15=3D>45, an= d they go up from there. </font></div> <div><font face=3D"Georgia">I don't understand where you have derived t= he notion that this is about what happens at the high end of the game.<br><= /font><br></div> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 June 2010 18:20, RPer 4eva <span dir=3D"lt= r"><<a href=3D"mailto:msnoverflow@gmail.com">msnoverflow@gmail.com</a>&g= t;</span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex= ; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div>I've just skimmed most of the arguements but I'm wondering if = it focus's too much on the high end. I don't think we should reduce= the MR because a few people at the high ends can get over a 100% MR. Most = people at bunny, low, medium and I suspect a lot at high don't go over = 100% MR with a current level 0 CS. My namer doesn't go to 100% with any= MR with her rank 6 counterspells. Can we use more standard levels for talk= ing about MR rather than the few rares. If we debated armor in the same con= text I suspect that the extremes have far more armour than we might like in= general. Probably also too much damage. Doesn't mean everyone should s= uffer. Maybe just be a little more careful about what is given to them to a= llow them insane stats.</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>Dylan</div></blockquote></div><br> --00163628398657a5d804893637cf-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] PCs looking for games |
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| From | Jim Arona |
| Date | Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:11:55 +1200 |
--0016363b8ea0ec74c70489363a66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fr. Rowan is too high for his game, he has removed me from it, and now I have no game this season. I'm annoyed. On 17 June 2010 20:51, Jonathan Bean <jonobean@gmail.com> wrote: > Not sure I follow you Jim what do you mean? > > Kind regards > Jono > > > On 17 June 2010 20:46, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yeah, me. Bernard has removed me from his game, so now I am without a >> game for the second season running and ENTIRELY pissed off over it. >> >> On 17 June 2010 18:40, Keith Smith <phaeton@ihug.co.nz> wrote: >> >>> Is there anyone still out there looking for a game who hasn't got one? >>> Please let me know if there is. >>> >>> Keith >>> >>> >>> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- >>> >> >> > > > -- > Kind regards, > > Jonathan Bean > H: +64 9 828 2959 > M: +64 21 917 173 > G: jonobean@gmail.com > --0016363b8ea0ec74c70489363a66 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <font face=3D"georgia,serif">Fr. Rowan is too high for his game, he has rem= oved me from it, and now I have no game this season. I'm annoyed. <br><= /font><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 June 2010 20:51, Jonathan Bean <span dir= =3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com">jonobean@gmail.com</a>&g= t;</span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex= ; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Not sure I follow you Jim what d= o you mean?=20 <div><br></div> <div>Kind regards</div> <div>Jono=20 <div> <div></div> <div class=3D"h5"><br><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 June 2010 20:46, Jim Arona <span dir=3D"lt= r"><<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jim.arona@g= mail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex= ; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div> <div></div> <div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">Yeah, me. Bernard has removed me from his= game, so now I am without a game for the second season running and ENTIREL= Y pissed off over it.<br></font><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 June 2010 18:40, Keith Smith <span dir=3D"= ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:phaeton@ihug.co.nz" target=3D"_blank">phaeton@ih= ug.co.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex= ; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Is there anyone still out there = looking for a game who hasn't got one? =A0Please let me know if there i= s.<br> <br>Keith<br><br><br>-- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-a= nnounce-request@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-announce-request@dq.sf.o= rg.nz</a> --<br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><= br clear=3D"all"> <br></div></div>-- <br>Kind regards,<br><br>Jonathan Bean<br>H: +64 9 828 2= 959<br>M: +64 21 917 173<br>G: <a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" target= =3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.com</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br> --0016363b8ea0ec74c70489363a66-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |