SubjectRe: [dq] Warrior Skill - Weapon Rank Requirements
FromStephen Martin
DateWed, 4 Aug 2010 09:55:45 +1200
I think the current weapon rank requirements should be simplified and improved.
The max rank in a new category per warrior rank proposal is simple, but probably too much.

Could I please get some opinion/feedback/straw-poll vote on the following options/variations.


1) Leave it as is with the current (Warrior 2.0) requirements


2) Make 'em Pay!  A max rank weapon in each Category per Warrior rank is the least it should be.


3) Max Rank Weapon in a Cat is good but not every rank.
3a) Easier at low end, hard at high end (e.g. New cat at ranks 1,3,5,7,8,9,10)
3b) Hard to start, easier at high end (e.g. New cat at ranks 0,1,2,3,5,7,9)


4) Slightly easier - must achieve a max rank weapon in recently acquired category before going
to next Warrior rank.  E.g. Warrior rk0, choose Axes as New Category, must then achieve Max
Rank in an Axe before they can get rk1 Warrior.
NB one effect of this is that new characters can start as Warriors (with a lot of ranking to
do before they can advance) which is almost impossible currently.


5) 3 + 4 - rank the weapon after acquiring the new category and not every rank (E.g.
0,2,4,6,7,8,9).


6) Something else - please specify.



Thanks, Stephen.


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SubjectRe: [dq] Warrior Skill - Weapon Rank Requirements
FromR Mansfield
DateWed, 4 Aug 2010 10:22:29 +1200
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I like option 4 best and option 3 the least.

Rather than Max rank how about must achieve a rank weapon in recently
acquired category HIGHER than Warrior rank before going to next Warrior rank
(or highest rank available if none of the category goes as high as next
Warrior rank).

This makes low rank Warrior in the 'effort to gain' in the same ball park as
other low ranked skills but gets progressively more difficult.  But if you
don't choose entangling weapons until late then you are going to learn Whip
to high ranks (is this good or bad :-) )

Well that's my 2c worth

Rosemary

-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Stephen Martin
Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2010 9:56 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Warrior Skill - Weapon Rank Requirements

I think the current weapon rank requirements should be simplified and
improved.
The max rank in a new category per warrior rank proposal is simple, but
probably too much.

Could I please get some opinion/feedback/straw-poll vote on the following
options/variations.


1) Leave it as is with the current (Warrior 2.0) requirements


2) Make 'em Pay!  A max rank weapon in each Category per Warrior rank is the
least it should be.


3) Max Rank Weapon in a Cat is good but not every rank.
3a) Easier at low end, hard at high end (e.g. New cat at ranks
1,3,5,7,8,9,10)
3b) Hard to start, easier at high end (e.g. New cat at ranks 0,1,2,3,5,7,9)


4) Slightly easier - must achieve a max rank weapon in recently acquired
category before going
to next Warrior rank.  E.g. Warrior rk0, choose Axes as New Category, must
then achieve Max
Rank in an Axe before they can get rk1 Warrior.
NB one effect of this is that new characters can start as Warriors (with a
lot of ranking to
do before they can advance) which is almost impossible currently.


5) 3 + 4 - rank the weapon after acquiring the new category and not every
rank (E.g.
0,2,4,6,7,8,9).


6) Something else - please specify.



Thanks, Stephen.


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<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I =
like option</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> 4 best and option 3 the least.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Rather than Max rank how about</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">must</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">achieve a rank weapon in =
recently acquired category</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">HIGHER than Warrior rank</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">before =
going</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">to next Warrior rank</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> (or</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">highest</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">rank</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
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FACE=3D"Arial">available</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">if</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">none of the category goes as high as next =
Warrior rank</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">)</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">This =
makes low rank Warrior in the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">'effort to gain'</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">in the =
same</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">ball park</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">as</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> other</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">low ranked skills but gets =
progressively</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">more difficult.&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> =
<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">But if you don't choose entangling weapons =
until late then you are going to learn Whip to high ranks (is this good =
or bad</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT FACE=3D"Wingdings" =
SIZE=3D2>J</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> )</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Well =
that's my 2c worth</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Rosemary</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz">mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</A>] =
On Behalf Of Stephen Martin<BR>
Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2010 9:56 a.m.<BR>
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR>
Subject: Re: [dq] Warrior Skill - Weapon Rank =
Requirements</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I =
think the current weapon rank requirements should be simplified and =
improved.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The =
max rank in a new category per warrior rank proposal is simple, but =
probably too much.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Could =
I please get some opinion/feedback/straw-poll vote on the following =
options/variations.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<BR>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">1) =
Leave it as is with the current (Warrior 2.0) =
requirements</FONT></SPAN></P>
<BR>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">2) =
Make 'em Pay!&nbsp; A max rank weapon in each Category per Warrior rank =
is the least it should be.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<BR>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">3) =
Max Rank Weapon in a Cat is good but not every rank.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">3a) =
Easier at low end, hard at high end (e.g. New cat at ranks =
1,3,5,7,8,9,10)</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">3b) =
Hard to start, easier at high end (e.g. New cat at ranks =
0,1,2,3,5,7,9)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<BR>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">4) =
Slightly easier - must achieve a max rank weapon in recently acquired =
category before going</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">to =
next Warrior rank.&nbsp; E.g. Warrior rk0, choose Axes as New Category, =
must then achieve Max</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Rank =
in an Axe before they can get rk1 Warrior.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">NB =
one effect of this is that new characters can start as Warriors (with a =
lot of ranking to</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">do =
before they can advance) which is almost impossible =
currently.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<BR>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">5) 3 =
+ 4 - rank the weapon after acquiring the new category and not every =
rank (E.g.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">0,2,4,6,7,8,9).</FONT></SPAN></P>
<BR>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">6) =
Something else - please specify.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<BR>
<BR>

<P ALIGN=3DLEFT><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Thanks, Stephen.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<BR>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Warrior Skill
FromStephen Martin
DateWed, 4 Aug 2010 10:31:26 +1200
"Warrior =1 when attacking."
It is very simple and clear.  How important is it to make the exception for full TMR charges?

The TMR limit is a rule specific to 26+ agility extra actions.

IMO adding this ability to Pole weapons or shields would be low priority, there are much
better returns for your xp, but if it is important enough to some character to do it then
bully for them, they move TMR+1 when charging with that weapon.

Cheers, Stephen.

On Tue, August 3, 2010 6:34 pm, Andrew Withy wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> ** I suggest a simple +1 hex on all, which modifies your example to:
>> ** 1-Hex Multiple/Multi-hex Strike, 2-Hex S&A, or 4-Hex charge.
>> ** The rule is simpler: Warrior =1 when attacking.
>
> OK, agree it is simpler to apply for mostly the same effect.
> NB This means that charge with a pole weapon gets to move TMR+1 and attack.
> But this ability
> would probably be low priority with a pole weapon.
>
> I didn't mean to include charge with pole. All = all mentioned above, not
> all charges. Damn English. Implicit Quantification restriction. Oops.
>
> No moving TMR+1 when TMR is max movement.
>
> Andrew


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SubjectRe: [dq] Warrior Skill - Weapon Rank Requirements
FromHamish Brown
DateWed, 4 Aug 2010 10:43:58 +1200
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Yes I quite like Rosemmary's suggestion about a rank higher than current
warrior.

 

Another alternative is to take the current weapon rank requirements for rk10
warrior and make these requirements by warrior level.  

It would mean ranks 1 through 4 you need to get a weapon to rank 7 (or
better) for each rank, then ranks 6 through 10 you need to get new weapon to
rank 5 each rank.

 

This is a little harder than but current but keeps the basic shape while
simplifying the process.  It also means the bulk of the time is taken up
getting to rank 5 which is when the new skills start and this will mean
these skills are harder to get to.

 

 

  _____  

From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of R
Mansfield
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:22 AM
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Warrior Skill - Weapon Rank Requirements

 

I like option 4 best and option 3 the least.

Rather than Max rank how about must achieve a rank weapon in recently
acquired category HIGHER than Warrior rank before going to next Warrior rank
(or highest rank available if none of the category goes as high as next
Warrior rank).

This makes low rank Warrior in the 'effort to gain' in the same ball park as
other low ranked skills but gets progressively more difficult.  But if you
don't choose entangling weapons until late then you are going to learn Whip
to high ranks (is this good or bad :-) )

Well that's my 2c worth

Rosemary

-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Stephen Martin
Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2010 9:56 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Warrior Skill - Weapon Rank Requirements

I think the current weapon rank requirements should be simplified and
improved.

The max rank in a new category per warrior rank proposal is simple, but
probably too much.

Could I please get some opinion/feedback/straw-poll vote on the following
options/variations.

 

1) Leave it as is with the current (Warrior 2.0) requirements

 

2) Make 'em Pay!  A max rank weapon in each Category per Warrior rank is the
least it should be.

 

3) Max Rank Weapon in a Cat is good but not every rank.

3a) Easier at low end, hard at high end (e.g. New cat at ranks
1,3,5,7,8,9,10)

3b) Hard to start, easier at high end (e.g. New cat at ranks 0,1,2,3,5,7,9)

 

4) Slightly easier - must achieve a max rank weapon in recently acquired
category before going

to next Warrior rank.  E.g. Warrior rk0, choose Axes as New Category, must
then achieve Max

Rank in an Axe before they can get rk1 Warrior.

NB one effect of this is that new characters can start as Warriors (with a
lot of ranking to

do before they can advance) which is almost impossible currently.

 

5) 3 + 4 - rank the weapon after acquiring the new category and not every
rank (E.g.

0,2,4,6,7,8,9).

 

6) Something else - please specify.

 

Thanks, Stephen.

 

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yes I quite like Rosemmary&#8217;s
suggestion about a rank higher than current =
warrior.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Another alternative is to take the =
current
weapon rank requirements for rk10 warrior and make these requirements by
warrior level.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It would mean ranks 1 through 4 you =
need
to get a weapon to rank 7 (or better) for each rank, then ranks 6 =
through 10
you need to get new weapon to rank 5 each =
rank.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This is a little harder than but =
current
but keeps the basic shape while simplifying the process. &nbsp;It also =
means
the bulk of the time is taken up getting to rank 5 which is when the new =
skills
start and this will mean these skills are harder to get =
to.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf Of </span></b>R
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<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>I like option 4 best and option 3 the =
least.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Rather than Max rank how about</span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB> =
</span><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>must</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>achieve a rank weapon in recently acquired =
category</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>HIGHER than Warrior rank</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>before going</span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB> =
</span><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>to
next Warrior rank (or</span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB> </span><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>highest</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>rank</span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB> =
</span><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>available</span></font><span=

lang=3DEN-GB> </span><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>if</span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB> =
</span><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>none
of the category goes as high as next Warrior =
rank).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>This makes low rank Warrior in the</span></font><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>'effort
to gain'</span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB> </span><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>in the =
same</span></font><span
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>ball park</span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB> =
</span><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>as
other</span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB> </span><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>low ranked =
skills but
gets progressively</span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB> </span><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>more
difficult.&nbsp;</span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB> </span><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>But if you =
don't choose
entangling weapons until late then you are going to learn Whip to high =
ranks
(is this good or bad</span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB> </span><font =
size=3D2
face=3DWingdings><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>J</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Well that's my 2c worth</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Rosemary</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [<a =
href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz">mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>]
On Behalf Of Stephen Martin<br>
Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2010 9:56 a.m.<br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><br>
Subject: Re: [dq] Warrior Skill - Weapon Rank =
Requirements</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>I think the current weapon rank requirements should be simplified =
and
improved.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>The max rank in a new category per warrior rank proposal is =
simple, but
probably too much.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Could I please get some opinion/feedback/straw-poll vote on the
following options/variations.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>1) Leave it as is with the current (Warrior 2.0) =
requirements</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>2) Make 'em Pay!&nbsp; A max rank weapon in each Category per =
Warrior
rank is the least it should be.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>3) Max Rank Weapon in a Cat is good but not every =
rank.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>3a) Easier at low end, hard at high end (e.g. New cat at ranks
1,3,5,7,8,9,10)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>3b) Hard to start, easier at high end (e.g. New cat at ranks
0,1,2,3,5,7,9)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>4) Slightly easier - must achieve a max rank weapon in recently =
acquired
category before going</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>to next Warrior rank.&nbsp; E.g. Warrior rk0, choose Axes as New
Category, must then achieve Max</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Rank in an Axe before they can get rk1 =
Warrior.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>NB one effect of this is that new characters can start as =
Warriors (with
a lot of ranking to</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>do before they can advance) which is almost impossible =
currently.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>5) 3 + 4 - rank the weapon after acquiring the new category and =
not
every rank (E.g.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>0,2,4,6,7,8,9).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>6) Something else - please specify.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Thanks, Stephen.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Warrior Skill - Weapon Rank Requirements
FromStephen Martin
DateWed, 4 Aug 2010 10:49:16 +1200
Sorry, far too easy! Rank 5 Warrior within a year without breaking a sweat.
E.g.
Rk 0 Warrior, Unarmed to rk 1.
Rk 1 Warrior, Estoc to rk 2.
Rk 2 Warrior, Falchion to rk 3.
Rk 3 Warrior, Lance to rk 4.
Rk 4 Warrior, Flail to rk 5.
Rk 5 Warrior, Dagger to rk 6.
Rk 6 Warrior, Glaive to rk 7.
Rk 7 Warrior, Battle Axe to rk 7.
Rk 8 Warrior, Hand & Half to rk 7.
Rk 9 Warrior, Mace to rk 5 (I'm fairly sure nothing in Blunt goes over 5).
Rk 10 Warrior, Shield to rk 4.

On Wed, August 4, 2010 10:22 am, R Mansfield wrote:
>
> Rather than Max rank how about must achieve a rank weapon in recently
> acquired category HIGHER than Warrior rank before going to next Warrior rank
> (or highest rank available if none of the category goes as high as next
> Warrior rank).
>
> This makes low rank Warrior in the 'effort to gain' in the same ball park as
> other low ranked skills but gets progressively more difficult.  But if you
> don't choose entangling weapons until late then you are going to learn Whip
> to high ranks (is this good or bad :-) )
>
> Well that's my 2c worth
>
> Rosemary


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Adding to the examples, Sabrina would be rank 8 under the new guidelines. I=
f I =0Aranked my 'started' weapons in 3 other categories, being Quarterstaf=
f, Rapier =0Aand Katana, I would need 270 weeks to get them from 4-10 each.=
 Going for Net, =0AHalberd and Rapier would reduce this to 140 weeks.=0A=0A=
Conceptually I like making a warrior be able to duel, joust, brawl, knife-f=
ight, =0Athrow, fire, AND be effective in combat, which means a lot of weap=
on ranking =0Athat may not get used much. Rank 5+ in a new category for eac=
h new rank would =0Aequalise all the categories, and still require 30 weeks=
 weapon ranking per =0AWarrior rank. Couple that with a lesser amount of Ra=
nk 7+ requirements, very =0Asimilar all around to current warrior requireme=
nts, and that would be my =0Asuggestion.=0A=0ADean=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________=
___________________=0AFrom: Andrew Withy <awithy@ihug.co.nz>=0ATo: dq@dq.sf=
.org.nz=0ASent: Mon, August 2, 2010 7:04:32 PM=0ASubject: Re: [dq] Warrior =
Skill=0A=0AI think the weapon rank restrictions feel about right, though ki=
nda painful.=0A=0ATo add to the examples, my Rank 8 Warrior qualifies for R=
ank 2 only under=0Athese rules. Needs 4-9, 4-8, 5-7, 4-10, and two new weap=
on categories (say=0Ablunt + axes) to qualify for Rank 8. Total extra time:=
 326 weeks. Might be=0Aworth switching from dagger to short sword (save 27 =
wks)=0A=0AAs an aside, this 'punishes' people for taking high-max-rank weap=
ons, so=0Ahalberd becomes preferable to glaive, spear over javelin=A0 and h=
and axe over=0Abattle axe (as a fourth or fifth weapon). This means that pe=
ople are less=0Alikely to take the min-max weapons as backups, only as thei=
r primary weapon.=0AI don't know if it is good or bad, but it is interestin=
g.=0A=0AI dislike the idea of being able to 'buy' the requirements out with=
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u get to be=0Aa kick-ass Rank 5 warrior, and that's fine - it's not like Ra=
nk 8 gives you=0Aanti-resurrection. DQ doesn't need a levelling-up subsyste=
m.=0A=0AAndrew=0A-----Original Message-----=0A=0AAs examples...=0AMy high l=
evel Rk 10 Warrior is overqualified under the current rules but=0Awouldn't =
qualify=0Aunder this proposal (requiring ranking 6-7 in one weapon and 5-9 =
in=0Aanother).=0AMy low level Rk 1 Warrior just scrapes in under the curren=
t rules and fails=0Ato qualify under=0Athis proposal (though could have qua=
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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;=
font-size:12pt"><DIV>Adding to the examples, Sabrina would be rank 8 under =
the new guidelines. If I ranked my 'started' weapons in 3 other categories,=
 being Quarterstaff, Rapier and Katana, I would need 270 weeks to get them =
from 4-10 each. Going for Net, Halberd and Rapier would reduce this to 140 =
weeks.</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>Conceptually I like making a warrio=
r be able to duel, joust, brawl, knife-fight, throw, fire, AND be effective=
 in combat, which means a lot of weapon ranking that may not get used much.=
 Rank 5+ in a new category for each new rank would equalise all the categor=
ies, and still require 30 weeks weapon ranking per Warrior rank. Couple tha=
t with a lesser amount of Rank 7+ requirements, very similar all around to =
current warrior requirements, and that would be my suggestion.</DIV>=0A<DIV=
>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>Dean</DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMIL=
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=3D2>=0A<HR SIZE=3D1>=0A<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></=
B> Andrew Withy &lt;awithy@ihug.co.nz&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:=
 bold">To:</SPAN></B> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bol=
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T-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [dq] Warrior Skill<BR></FONT><BR>I =
think the weapon rank restrictions feel about right, though kinda painful.<=
BR><BR>To add to the examples, my Rank 8 Warrior qualifies for Rank 2 only =
under<BR>these rules. Needs 4-9, 4-8, 5-7, 4-10, and two new weapon categor=
ies (say<BR>blunt + axes) to qualify for Rank 8. Total extra time: 326 week=
s. Might be<BR>worth switching from dagger to short sword (save 27 wks)<BR>=
<BR>As an aside, this 'punishes' people for taking high-max-rank weapons, s=
o<BR>halberd becomes preferable to glaive, spear over javelin&nbsp; and han=
d axe over<BR>battle axe (as a fourth or fifth weapon). This means that peo=
ple are less<BR>likely to
 take the min-max weapons as backups, only as their primary weapon.<BR>I do=
n't know if it is good or bad, but it is interesting.<BR><BR>I dislike the =
idea of being able to 'buy' the requirements out with EP, but<BR>I can't gi=
ve good reasons for it. If you don't have the time, you get to be<BR>a kick=
-ass Rank 5 warrior, and that's fine - it's not like Rank 8 gives you<BR>an=
ti-resurrection. DQ doesn't need a levelling-up subsystem.<BR><BR>Andrew<BR=
>-----Original Message-----<BR><BR>As examples...<BR>My high level Rk 10 Wa=
rrior is overqualified under the current rules but<BR>wouldn't qualify<BR>u=
nder this proposal (requiring ranking 6-7 in one weapon and 5-9 in<BR>anoth=
er).<BR>My low level Rk 1 Warrior just scrapes in under the current rules a=
nd fails<BR>to qualify under<BR>this proposal (though could have qualified =
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SubjectRe: [dq] Warrior Skill - Weapon Rank Requirements
FromRPer 4eva
DateWed, 4 Aug 2010 13:47:31 +1200
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How do these proposed changes effect people who already have warrior ranks?
I think rank 8+ warriors are going to be upset if they suddenly go to 7 or
less despite having done possibly 3 masterworks.

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Stephen Martin <stephenm@aklnz.net> wrote:

> Sorry, far too easy! Rank 5 Warrior within a year without breaking a sweat.
> E.g.
> Rk 0 Warrior, Unarmed to rk 1.
> Rk 1 Warrior, Estoc to rk 2.
> Rk 2 Warrior, Falchion to rk 3.
> Rk 3 Warrior, Lance to rk 4.
> Rk 4 Warrior, Flail to rk 5.
> Rk 5 Warrior, Dagger to rk 6.
> Rk 6 Warrior, Glaive to rk 7.
> Rk 7 Warrior, Battle Axe to rk 7.
> Rk 8 Warrior, Hand & Half to rk 7.
> Rk 9 Warrior, Mace to rk 5 (I'm fairly sure nothing in Blunt goes over 5).
> Rk 10 Warrior, Shield to rk 4.
>
> On Wed, August 4, 2010 10:22 am, R Mansfield wrote:
> >
> > Rather than Max rank how about must achieve a rank weapon in recently
> > acquired category HIGHER than Warrior rank before going to next Warrior
> rank
> > (or highest rank available if none of the category goes as high as next
> > Warrior rank).
> >
> > This makes low rank Warrior in the 'effort to gain' in the same ball park
> as
> > other low ranked skills but gets progressively more difficult.  But if
> you
> > don't choose entangling weapons until late then you are going to learn
> Whip
> > to high ranks (is this good or bad :-) )
> >
> > Well that's my 2c worth
> >
> > Rosemary
>
>
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How do these proposed changes effect people who already have warrior ranks?=
 I think rank 8+ warriors are going to be upset if they suddenly go to 7 or=
 less despite having done possibly 3 masterworks.<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Stephen Martin =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stephenm@aklnz.net">stephenm@aklnz.=
net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Sorry, far too easy! Rank 5 Warr=
ior within a year without breaking a sweat.<br>E.g.<br>Rk 0 Warrior, Unarme=
d to rk 1.<br>
Rk 1 Warrior, Estoc to rk 2.<br>Rk 2 Warrior, Falchion to rk 3.<br>Rk 3 War=
rior, Lance to rk 4.<br>Rk 4 Warrior, Flail to rk 5.<br>Rk 5 Warrior, Dagge=
r to rk 6.<br>Rk 6 Warrior, Glaive to rk 7.<br>Rk 7 Warrior, Battle Axe to =
rk 7.<br>
Rk 8 Warrior, Hand &amp; Half to rk 7.<br>Rk 9 Warrior, Mace to rk 5 (I&#39=
;m fairly sure nothing in Blunt goes over 5).<br>Rk 10 Warrior, Shield to r=
k 4.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>On Wed, August 4, 2010 10:22 am, R Mansfield wrote:<b=
r>&gt;<br>&gt; Rather than Max rank how about must achieve a rank weapon in=
 recently<br>&gt; acquired category HIGHER than Warrior rank before going t=
o next Warrior rank<br>
&gt; (or highest rank available if none of the category goes as high as nex=
t<br>&gt; Warrior rank).<br>&gt;<br>&gt; This makes low rank Warrior in the=
 &#39;effort to gain&#39; in the same ball park as<br>&gt; other low ranked=
 skills but gets progressively more difficult. =A0But if you<br>
&gt; don&#39;t choose entangling weapons until late then you are going to l=
earn Whip<br></div>&gt; to high ranks (is this good or bad :-) )<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt;<br>&gt; Well that&#39;s my 2c worth<br>&gt;<br>&gt; =
Rosemary<br><br><br></div>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Warrior Skill
FromNeil Davies
DateWed, 4 Aug 2010 15:52:09 +1200
hi all,

Adding my views on some of this discussion:

On entry requirements; I agree that the existing system is
complicated, but given all of the potential pitfalls of changing it to
as per Stephen's suggestion [ie impacting existing warriors, and crazy
time requirements], and that given the current rules don't ACTUALLY
impact game time (so therefore I would consider it less of a priority)
, I would advise not including the suggested change to entry
requirements.

Also note that the originally identified problem was that of
Complication, not "the entry requirements are not strict enough".  Is
there any consensus on that? If so, then I might change my opinion.

So if a change is really is wanted for simplication only, a compromise
as per Dean's suggestion below might work pretty well.

Apart from that, I like what Stephen has proposed in general. My one
significant exception is all of the "extra abilities".  My concerns
are :
- It seems this is making the run-time very complicated again, with no
less than 13 different options to apply - and maybe more!
- this is a standard skill, that will be used by normal NPCs. Are we
risking trying to implement otherwise "very high" custom abilities
into a standard skill, and so just raise the ante for PCs and parties?

(On the other hand, magic has always been too powerful in DQ... so
maybe I shouldn't be concerned)

Feedback welcome.

Cheers,

Neil.

On 4 August 2010 13:13, Dean Ellis <deangellis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Adding to the examples, Sabrina would be rank 8 under the new guidelines. If
> I ranked my 'started' weapons in 3 other categories, being Quarterstaff,
> Rapier and Katana, I would need 270 weeks to get them from 4-10 each. Going
> for Net, Halberd and Rapier would reduce this to 140 weeks.
>
> Conceptually I like making a warrior be able to duel, joust, brawl,
> knife-fight, throw, fire, AND be effective in combat, which means a lot of
> weapon ranking that may not get used much. Rank 5+ in a new category for
> each new rank would equalise all the categories, and still require 30 weeks
> weapon ranking per Warrior rank. Couple that with a lesser amount of Rank 7+
> requirements, very similar all around to current warrior requirements, and
> that would be my suggestion.
>
> Dean
> ________________________________
> From: Andrew Withy <awithy@ihug.co.nz>
> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 7:04:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [dq] Warrior Skill
>
> I think the weapon rank restrictions feel about right, though kinda painful.
>
> To add to the examples, my Rank 8 Warrior qualifies for Rank 2 only under
> these rules. Needs 4-9, 4-8, 5-7, 4-10, and two new weapon categories (say
> blunt + axes) to qualify for Rank 8. Total extra time: 326 weeks. Might be
> worth switching from dagger to short sword (save 27 wks)
>
> As an aside, this 'punishes' people for taking high-max-rank weapons, so
> halberd becomes preferable to glaive, spear over javelin  and hand axe over
> battle axe (as a fourth or fifth weapon). This means that people are less
> likely to take the min-max weapons as backups, only as their primary weapon.
> I don't know if it is good or bad, but it is interesting.
>
> I dislike the idea of being able to 'buy' the requirements out with EP, but
> I can't give good reasons for it. If you don't have the time, you get to be
> a kick-ass Rank 5 warrior, and that's fine - it's not like Rank 8 gives you
> anti-resurrection. DQ doesn't need a levelling-up subsystem.
>
> Andrew
> -----Original Message-----
>
> As examples...
> My high level Rk 10 Warrior is overqualified under the current rules but
> wouldn't qualify
> under this proposal (requiring ranking 6-7 in one weapon and 5-9 in
> another).
> My low level Rk 1 Warrior just scrapes in under the current rules and fails
> to qualify under
> this proposal (though could have qualified with different ranking choices).
>
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Subject[dq] Non standard colleges.
FromRPer 4eva
DateWed, 4 Aug 2010 15:59:53 +1200
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How many people out there have non standard colleges. Ie shamanic or
Celestial navigator or holy fire etc.

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How many people out there have non standard colleges. Ie shamanic or Celestial navigator or holy fire etc.

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SubjectRe: [dq] Warrior Skill - Weapon Rank Requirements
FromAndrew Withy
DateWed, 4 Aug 2010 16:02:45 +1200
I don't fully understand the voting options. 

Dean's idea of Rank 5+ in a new category for each new rank (except Shield @
Rk 4) is my preference.

Of the rest, (2) is best, but too tough. 


I'd add bows/slings/crossbows and thrown as two extra warrior categories.



Andrew

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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Stephen Martin
Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2010 9:56 a.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Warrior Skill - Weapon Rank Requirements

I think the current weapon rank requirements should be simplified and
improved.
The max rank in a new category per warrior rank proposal is simple, but
probably too much.

Could I please get some opinion/feedback/straw-poll vote on the following
options/variations.


1) Leave it as is with the current (Warrior 2.0) requirements


2) Make 'em Pay!  A max rank weapon in each Category per Warrior rank is the
least it should be.


3) Max Rank Weapon in a Cat is good but not every rank.
3a) Easier at low end, hard at high end (e.g. New cat at ranks
1,3,5,7,8,9,10)
3b) Hard to start, easier at high end (e.g. New cat at ranks 0,1,2,3,5,7,9)


4) Slightly easier - must achieve a max rank weapon in recently acquired
category before going
to next Warrior rank.  E.g. Warrior rk0, choose Axes as New Category, must
then achieve Max
Rank in an Axe before they can get rk1 Warrior.
NB one effect of this is that new characters can start as Warriors (with a
lot of ranking to
do before they can advance) which is almost impossible currently.


5) 3 + 4 - rank the weapon after acquiring the new category and not every
rank (E.g.
0,2,4,6,7,8,9).


6) Something else - please specify.



Thanks, Stephen.


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SubjectRe: [dq] Non standard colleges.
FromMartin Dickson
DateWed, 4 Aug 2010 16:07:21 +1200
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As a GM I've used "Dark Binding" and also given out some college fragments
as additional kinda-in-college abilities, e.g. some "Deep Earth" magics to
an Earth mage, some "Utterdark" to a Dark Celestial, etc.

As a player my warlock has a 2nd college called "Alchemy". (Distinct from
the skill of the same name -- and more like an expansion of the Special
Alchemy abilities of Witchcraft).

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> How many people out there have non standard colleges. Ie shamanic or
> Celestial navigator or holy fire etc.

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