Subject[dq] Diamond Javelins
FromSimon White
DateMon, 6 Dec 2010 13:18:41 +1300
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Looking to get an idea of peoples view on Diamond Javelins.

 

Standard Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fraction) Ranks of Javelins. 

 

Key question I have is - 

 

Some GMs interpret that each Javelin has to go to a separate target. I have
had others allow for multiple Javelins to target the same target.

 

I am interested in peoples thoughts on this over all. Hellfire (for example)
explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks, while Diamond Javelins
makes no such statement.

 

Admittedly Diamond Javelins does no where near the level of damage of
Hellfire (on average - but then it also does not cost as much to rank, and
has a higher base chance). 

 

Simon 


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get an idea of peoples view on Diamond Javelins.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Standard =
Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fraction) Ranks of Javelins. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Key question I have is &#8211; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Some GMs =
interpret that each Javelin has to go to a separate target. I have had =
others allow for multiple Javelins to target the same =
target.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I am interested in peoples thoughts on this over all. =
Hellfire (for example) explicitly states one additional target / 3 =
ranks, while Diamond Javelins makes no such statement.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Admittedly =
Diamond Javelins does no where near the level of damage of Hellfire (on =
average &#8211; but then it also does not cost as much to rank, and has =
a higher base chance). <o:p></o:p></p><p =
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SubjectRe: [dq] Diamond Javelins
FromJim Arona
DateMon, 6 Dec 2010 13:41:30 +1300
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Each diamond javelin is targeted individually and has its own Strike Chance=
.
It is an 'interpretation' to rule that you have to nominate a different
target for each javelin, the natural reading being that you can distribute
the attacks in any way you like, so long as you don't exceed your number of
javelins.
Having said that, any DM is entitled to rule anyway that they see fit. If
they prefer it that you can only use one javelin on each target, then that'=
s
the way it goes.

On 6 December 2010 13:18, Simon White <simon2001@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

>  Looking to get an idea of peoples view on Diamond Javelins.
>
>
>
> Standard Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fraction) Ranks of Javelin=
s.
>
>
>
>
> Key question I have is =96
>
>
>
> Some GMs interpret that each Javelin has to go to a separate target. I ha=
ve
> had others allow for multiple Javelins to target the same target.
>
>
>
> I am interested in peoples thoughts on this over all. Hellfire (for
> example) explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks, while Diamond
> Javelins makes no such statement.
>
>
>
> Admittedly Diamond Javelins does no where near the level of damage of
> Hellfire (on average =96 but then it also does not cost as much to rank, =
and
> has a higher base chance).
>
>
>
> Simon
>

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<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">Each diamond javelin is targeted individu=
ally and has its own Strike Chance. It is an &#39;interpretation&#39; to ru=
le that you have to nominate a different target for each javelin, the natur=
al reading being that you can distribute the attacks in any way you like, s=
o long as you don&#39;t exceed your number of javelins. </font></div>

<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">Having said that,=A0any DM is entitled to=
 rule anyway that they see fit. If they prefer it that you can only use one=
 javelin on each target, then that&#39;s the way it goes. <br></font><br></=
div>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 6 December 2010 13:18, Simon White <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simon2001@ihug.co.nz">simon2001@ihug.co.nz</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div lang=3D"EN-NZ" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Looking to get an idea of peoples view on Diamond Ja=
velins.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Standard Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fract=
ion) Ranks of Javelins. </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Key question I have is =96 </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Some GMs interpret that each Javelin has to go to a =
separate target. I have had others allow for multiple Javelins to target th=
e same target.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am interested in peoples thoughts on this over all=
. Hellfire (for example) explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks,=
 while Diamond Javelins makes no such statement.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Admittedly Diamond Javelins does no where near the l=
evel of damage of Hellfire (on average =96 but then it also does not cost a=
s much to rank, and has a higher base chance). </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p><font color=3D"#888888">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Simon </p></font></div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Diamond Javelins
FromWilliam Dymock-Johnson
DateMon, 6 Dec 2010 13:43:36 +1300
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I let them target one or many. At high levels the abysmall SC lets them
down.

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Simon White <simon2001@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

>  Looking to get an idea of peoples view on Diamond Javelins.
>
>
>
> Standard Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fraction) Ranks of Javelin=
s.
>
>
>
>
> Key question I have is =96
>
>
>
> Some GMs interpret that each Javelin has to go to a separate target. I ha=
ve
> had others allow for multiple Javelins to target the same target.
>
>
>
> I am interested in peoples thoughts on this over all. Hellfire (for
> example) explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks, while Diamond
> Javelins makes no such statement.
>
>
>
> Admittedly Diamond Javelins does no where near the level of damage of
> Hellfire (on average =96 but then it also does not cost as much to rank, =
and
> has a higher base chance).
>
>
>
> Simon
>

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I let them target one or many. At high levels the abysmall SC lets them dow=
n.<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Simon White <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simon2001@ihug.co.nz">simon2001@ihug.co=
.nz</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div lang=3D"EN-NZ" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Looking to get an idea of peoples view on Diamond Ja=
velins.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Standard Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fract=
ion) Ranks of Javelins. </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Key question I have is =96 </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Some GMs interpret that each Javelin has to go to a =
separate target. I have had others allow for multiple Javelins to target th=
e same target.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am interested in peoples thoughts on this over all=
. Hellfire (for example) explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks,=
 while Diamond Javelins makes no such statement.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Admittedly Diamond Javelins does no where near the l=
evel of damage of Hellfire (on average =96 but then it also does not cost a=
s much to rank, and has a higher base chance). </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p><font color=3D"#888888">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Simon </p></font></div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Diamond Javelins
FromJim Arona
DateMon, 6 Dec 2010 13:48:29 +1300
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I reckon. It's a spell you cast at dedicated spell casters or other
pantywaists.

On 6 December 2010 13:43, William Dymock-Johnson <
dymockjohnsonwilliam@gmail.com> wrote:

> I let them target one or many. At high levels the abysmall SC lets them
> down.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Simon White <simon2001@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
>>  Looking to get an idea of peoples view on Diamond Javelins.
>>
>>
>>
>> Standard Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fraction) Ranks of
>> Javelins.
>>
>>
>>
>> Key question I have is =96
>>
>>
>>
>> Some GMs interpret that each Javelin has to go to a separate target. I
>> have had others allow for multiple Javelins to target the same target.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am interested in peoples thoughts on this over all. Hellfire (for
>> example) explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks, while Diamon=
d
>> Javelins makes no such statement.
>>
>>
>>
>> Admittedly Diamond Javelins does no where near the level of damage of
>> Hellfire (on average =96 but then it also does not cost as much to rank,=
 and
>> has a higher base chance).
>>
>>
>>
>> Simon
>>
>
>

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<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">I reckon.=A0It&#39;s a spell you cast at =
dedicated spell casters or other pantywaists.<br></font><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 6 December 2010 13:43, William Dymock-Johnson=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dymockjohnsonwilliam@gmail.com">dy=
mockjohnsonwilliam@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">I let them target one or many. A=
t high levels the abysmall SC lets them down.=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Simon White <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simon2001@ihug.co.nz" target=3D"_blank"=
>simon2001@ihug.co.nz</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div lang=3D"EN-NZ" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Looking to get an idea of peoples view on Diamond Ja=
velins.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Standard Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fract=
ion) Ranks of Javelins. </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Key question I have is =96 </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Some GMs interpret that each Javelin has to go to a =
separate target. I have had others allow for multiple Javelins to target th=
e same target.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am interested in peoples thoughts on this over all=
. Hellfire (for example) explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks,=
 while Diamond Javelins makes no such statement.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Admittedly Diamond Javelins does no where near the l=
evel of damage of Hellfire (on average =96 but then it also does not cost a=
s much to rank, and has a higher base chance). </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p><font color=3D"#888888">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Simon </p></font></div></div></blockquote></div><br>=
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Diamond Javelins
FromGreg Graydon
DateMon, 6 Dec 2010 00:49:52 +0000
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I concur with William, at lower levels, can be exciting, but higher up are =
a big waste of space.  (Unless you roll 01 a lot)

________________________________
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Wil=
liam Dymock-Johnson
Sent: Monday, 6 December 2010 1:44 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Diamond Javelins

I let them target one or many. At high levels the abysmall SC lets them dow=
n.

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Simon White <simon2001@ihug.co.nz<mailto:si=
mon2001@ihug.co.nz>> wrote:
Looking to get an idea of peoples view on Diamond Javelins.

Standard Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fraction) Ranks of Javelins.

Key question I have is -

Some GMs interpret that each Javelin has to go to a separate target. I have=
 had others allow for multiple Javelins to target the same target.

I am interested in peoples thoughts on this over all. Hellfire (for example=
) explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks, while Diamond Javelins=
 makes no such statement.

Admittedly Diamond Javelins does no where near the level of damage of Hellf=
ire (on average - but then it also does not cost as much to rank, and has a=
 higher base chance).

Simon


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    <P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal>Standard Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fra=
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Diamond Javelins
FromRPer 4eva
DateMon, 6 Dec 2010 15:21:53 +1300
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I was always curious about trippling for damage. What do most people do?

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Greg Graydon <greg.graydon@hp.com> wrote:

>  I concur with William, at lower levels, can be exciting, but higher up
> are a big waste of space.  (Unless you roll 01 a lot)
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] *On Behalf O=
f
> *William Dymock-Johnson
> *Sent:* Monday, 6 December 2010 1:44 p.m.
> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> *Subject:* Re: [dq] Diamond Javelins
>
>  I let them target one or many. At high levels the abysmall SC lets them
> down.
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Simon White <simon2001@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
>>  Looking to get an idea of peoples view on Diamond Javelins.
>>
>>
>>
>> Standard Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fraction) Ranks of
>> Javelins.
>>
>>
>>
>> Key question I have is =96
>>
>>
>>
>> Some GMs interpret that each Javelin has to go to a separate target. I
>> have had others allow for multiple Javelins to target the same target.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am interested in peoples thoughts on this over all. Hellfire (for
>> example) explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks, while Diamon=
d
>> Javelins makes no such statement.
>>
>>
>>
>> Admittedly Diamond Javelins does no where near the level of damage of
>> Hellfire (on average =96 but then it also does not cost as much to rank,=
 and
>> has a higher base chance).
>>
>>
>>
>> Simon
>>
>
>

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I was always curious about trippling for damage. What do most people do?<br=
><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Greg Graydon <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:greg.graydon@hp.com">greg.graydon@hp.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" fa=
ce=3D"Arial">I concur with William, at lower levels, can be exciting, but h=
igher up are a big waste of space.=A0 (Unless you roll 01=A0a lot)</font></=
span></div>
<br>
<blockquote style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<div dir=3D"ltr" lang=3D"en-us" align=3D"left">
<hr>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq=
.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"=
mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William Dymock-Johnson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 6 December 2010 1:44 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mai=
lto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br><b>Subject:</=
b> Re: [dq] Diamond Javelins<br></font><br></div>
<div class=3D"im">
<div></div>I let them target one or many. At high levels the abysmall SC le=
ts them down.<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Simon White <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simon2001@ihug.co.nz" target=3D"_blank"=
>simon2001@ihug.co.nz</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div lang=3D"EN-NZ" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Looking to get an idea of peoples view on Diamond Ja=
velins.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Standard Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fract=
ion) Ranks of Javelins. </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Key question I have is =96 </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Some GMs interpret that each Javelin has to go to a =
separate target. I have had others allow for multiple Javelins to target th=
e same target.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am interested in peoples thoughts on this over all=
. Hellfire (for example) explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks,=
 while Diamond Javelins makes no such statement.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Admittedly Diamond Javelins does no where near the l=
evel of damage of Hellfire (on average =96 but then it also does not cost a=
s much to rank, and has a higher base chance). </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p><font color=3D"#888888">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Simon </p></font></div></div></blockquote></div><br>=
</div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Diamond Javelins
FromStruan Judd
DateMon, 6 Dec 2010 15:30:00 +1300
The javelins themselves can Endurance or Spec, so doubling or tripling
the Cast Check can have no effect on the Javelin's damage.

TTFN, Struan

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 15:21, RPer 4eva <msnoverflow@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was always curious about trippling for damage. What do most people do?
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Greg Graydon <greg.graydon@hp.com> wrote:
>>
>> I concur with William, at lower levels, can be exciting, but higher up are
>> a big waste of space.  (Unless you roll 01 a lot)
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
>> William Dymock-Johnson
>> Sent: Monday, 6 December 2010 1:44 p.m.
>> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
>> Subject: Re: [dq] Diamond Javelins
>>
>> I let them target one or many. At high levels the abysmall SC lets them
>> down.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Simon White <simon2001@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking to get an idea of peoples view on Diamond Javelins.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Standard Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fraction) Ranks of
>>> Javelins.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Key question I have is –
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some GMs interpret that each Javelin has to go to a separate target. I
>>> have had others allow for multiple Javelins to target the same target.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am interested in peoples thoughts on this over all. Hellfire (for
>>> example) explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks, while Diamond
>>> Javelins makes no such statement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Admittedly Diamond Javelins does no where near the level of damage of
>>> Hellfire (on average – but then it also does not cost as much to rank, and
>>> has a higher base chance).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Simon
>
>


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SubjectRe: [dq] Diamond Javelins
FromHamish Brown
DateMon, 6 Dec 2010 15:36:33 +1300
Yea and the spec where it get stuck in your rib cage is nasty :)

Boulder


-----Original Message-----
From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Struan Judd
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 3:30 PM
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Diamond Javelins

The javelins themselves can Endurance or Spec, so doubling or tripling
the Cast Check can have no effect on the Javelin's damage.

TTFN, Struan

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 15:21, RPer 4eva <msnoverflow@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was always curious about trippling for damage. What do most people do?
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Greg Graydon <greg.graydon@hp.com> wrote:
>>
>> I concur with William, at lower levels, can be exciting, but higher up
are
>> a big waste of space.  (Unless you roll 01 a lot)
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
>> William Dymock-Johnson
>> Sent: Monday, 6 December 2010 1:44 p.m.
>> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
>> Subject: Re: [dq] Diamond Javelins
>>
>> I let them target one or many. At high levels the abysmall SC lets them
>> down.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Simon White <simon2001@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking to get an idea of peoples view on Diamond Javelins.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Standard Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fraction) Ranks of
>>> Javelins.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Key question I have is –
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some GMs interpret that each Javelin has to go to a separate target. I
>>> have had others allow for multiple Javelins to target the same target.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am interested in peoples thoughts on this over all. Hellfire (for
>>> example) explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks, while
Diamond
>>> Javelins makes no such statement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Admittedly Diamond Javelins does no where near the level of damage of
>>> Hellfire (on average – but then it also does not cost as much to rank,
and
>>> has a higher base chance).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Simon
>
>


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SubjectRe: [dq] Diamond Javelins
FromJim Arona
DateMon, 6 Dec 2010 15:37:13 +1300
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They can (potentially) stun, as well.

On 6 December 2010 15:30, Struan Judd <slj@scifi.geek.nz> wrote:

> The javelins themselves can Endurance or Spec, so doubling or tripling
> the Cast Check can have no effect on the Javelin's damage.
>
> TTFN, Struan
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 15:21, RPer 4eva <msnoverflow@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I was always curious about trippling for damage. What do most people do=
?
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Greg Graydon <greg.graydon@hp.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I concur with William, at lower levels, can be exciting, but higher up
> are
> >> a big waste of space.  (Unless you roll 01 a lot)
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf O=
f
> >> William Dymock-Johnson
> >> Sent: Monday, 6 December 2010 1:44 p.m.
> >> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> >> Subject: Re: [dq] Diamond Javelins
> >>
> >> I let them target one or many. At high levels the abysmall SC lets the=
m
> >> down.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Simon White <simon2001@ihug.co.nz>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Looking to get an idea of peoples view on Diamond Javelins.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Standard Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fraction) Ranks of
> >>> Javelins.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Key question I have is =96
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Some GMs interpret that each Javelin has to go to a separate target. =
I
> >>> have had others allow for multiple Javelins to target the same target=
.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am interested in peoples thoughts on this over all. Hellfire (for
> >>> example) explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks, while
> Diamond
> >>> Javelins makes no such statement.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Admittedly Diamond Javelins does no where near the level of damage of
> >>> Hellfire (on average =96 but then it also does not cost as much to ra=
nk,
> and
> >>> has a higher base chance).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Simon
> >
> >
>
>
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<font face=3D"georgia,serif">They can (potentially) stun, as well. <br></fo=
nt><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 6 December 2010 15:30, Struan Judd <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slj@scifi.geek.nz">slj@scifi.geek.nz</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">The javelins themselves can Endu=
rance or Spec, so doubling or tripling<br>the Cast Check can have no effect=
 on the Javelin&#39;s damage.<br>
<br>TTFN, Struan<br>
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br>On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 15:21, RPer 4eva &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:msnoverflow@gmail.com">msnoverflow@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&=
gt; I was always curious about trippling for damage. What do most people do=
?<br>
&gt;<br>&gt; On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Greg Graydon &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:greg.graydon@hp.com">greg.graydon@hp.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;<br=
>&gt;&gt; I concur with William, at lower levels, can be exciting, but high=
er up are<br>
&gt;&gt; a big waste of space.=A0 (Unless you roll 01=A0a lot)<br>&gt;&gt;<=
br>&gt;&gt; ________________________________<br>&gt;&gt; From: <a href=3D"m=
ailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"m=
ailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
&gt;&gt; William Dymock-Johnson<br>&gt;&gt; Sent: Monday, 6 December 2010 1=
:44 p.m.<br>&gt;&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz">dq@dq.sf.org.nz=
</a><br>&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [dq] Diamond Javelins<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;=
 I let them target one or many. At high levels the abysmall SC lets them<br=
>
&gt;&gt; down.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Simo=
n White &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simon2001@ihug.co.nz">simon2001@ihug.co.nz</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Looking to get an idea of peop=
les view on Diamond Javelins.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Standard Diamo=
nd Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fraction) Ranks of<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Javelin=
s.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Key ques=
tion I have is =96<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Some GMs inter=
pret that each Javelin has to go to a separate target. I<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; ha=
ve had others allow for multiple Javelins to target the same target.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; I am intereste=
d in peoples thoughts on this over all. Hellfire (for<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; examp=
le) explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks, while Diamond<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Javelins makes no such statement.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&=
gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Admittedly Diamond Javelins does no whe=
re near the level of damage of<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Hellfire (on average =96 but=
 then it also does not cost as much to rank, and<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; has a higher base chance).<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>=
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Simon<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br><br><br></div></div>-=
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SubjectRe: [dq] Diamond Javelins
FromSimon White
DateMon, 6 Dec 2010 15:42:49 +1300
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You can double or triple range, but that is all you can do with Diamond
Javelins in regards to a double or triple being rolled.

 

Simon

 

 

From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of RPer
4eva
Sent: Monday, 6 December 2010 3:22 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Diamond Javelins

 

I was always curious about trippling for damage. What do most people do?

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Greg Graydon <greg.graydon@hp.com> wrote:

I concur with William, at lower levels, can be exciting, but higher up are a
big waste of space.  (Unless you roll 01 a lot)

 


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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
William Dymock-Johnson
Sent: Monday, 6 December 2010 1:44 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Diamond Javelins

I let them target one or many. At high levels the abysmall SC lets them
down.

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Simon White <simon2001@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

Looking to get an idea of peoples view on Diamond Javelins.

 

Standard Diamond Javelins fire off 1 + 1/2 (or fraction) Ranks of Javelins. 

 

Key question I have is - 

 

Some GMs interpret that each Javelin has to go to a separate target. I have
had others allow for multiple Javelins to target the same target.

 

I am interested in peoples thoughts on this over all. Hellfire (for example)
explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks, while Diamond Javelins
makes no such statement.

 

Admittedly Diamond Javelins does no where near the level of damage of
Hellfire (on average - but then it also does not cost as much to rank, and
has a higher base chance). 

 

Simon 

 

 


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dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of =
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concur with William, at lower levels, can be exciting, but higher up are =
a big waste of space.&nbsp; (Unless you roll 01&nbsp;a =
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target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William =
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p.m.<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" =
target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] =
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class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I let them target one =
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/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Key =
question I have is &#8211; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Some GMs =
interpret that each Javelin has to go to a separate target. I have had =
others allow for multiple Javelins to target the same =
target.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I am =
interested in peoples thoughts on this over all. Hellfire (for example) =
explicitly states one additional target / 3 ranks, while Diamond =
Javelins makes no such statement.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Admittedly =
Diamond Javelins does no where near the level of damage of Hellfire (on =
average &#8211; but then it also does not cost as much to rank, and has =
a higher base chance). <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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style=3D'color:#888888'>Simon <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p =
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SubjectRe: [dq] Warrior Abilities
FromJim Arona
DateMon, 6 Dec 2010 15:47:50 +1300
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I have decided not to entertain these abilities from the Warrior playtest in
my games.

   - *Close-Evasion* (General) - may Evade while in close combat. Standard
   defence bonuses for evasion and potential Parry.
   - *Pre-Engage* (General) - may choose to act on their Engaged IV provided
   they are within half Warrior rank hexes of an engagement and they are
   joining the engagement as their action
   - *Precision* (Weapon) - may modify a roll on the Spec. Grev. table by up
   to half Warrior Rank.
   - *True Disarm* (Weapon) - advanced training in disarming opponents.
   Reduces Disarm SC% penalty by 2% per rank. In addition if the Disarm attempt
   is an EN hit then the chance of retaining the weapon is halved, on a
   SpecGrev the target may not attempt to retain the weapon.
   - *True Riposte* (Weapon) - may attempt to Parry/Riposte any attack that
   misses by more than 30% even if not evading, or gains +2 on the Parry
   Calculation if evading.

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<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">I have decided=A0not to entertain=A0these=
 abilities from the Warrior playtest in my games.</font>=A0</div>
<ul>
<li><font face=3D"georgia,serif"><strong>Close-Evasion</strong> (General) -=
 may Evade while in close combat. Standard defence bonuses for evasion and =
potential Parry. </font></li>
<li><font face=3D"georgia,serif"><strong>Pre-Engage</strong> (General) - ma=
y choose to act on their Engaged IV provided they are within half Warrior r=
ank hexes of an engagement and they are joining the engagement as their act=
ion</font></li>

<li><font face=3D"georgia,serif"><strong>Precision</strong> (Weapon) - may =
modify a roll on the Spec. Grev. table by up to half Warrior Rank. </font><=
/li>
<li><font face=3D"georgia,serif"><b>True Disarm</b> (Weapon) - advanced tra=
ining in disarming opponents. Reduces Disarm SC% penalty by 2% per rank. In=
 addition if the Disarm attempt is an EN hit then the chance of retaining t=
he weapon is halved, on a SpecGrev the target may not attempt to retain the=
 weapon. </font></li>

<li><b>True Riposte</b> (Weapon) - may attempt to Parry/Riposte any attack =
that misses by more than 30% even if not evading, or gains +2 on the Parry =
Calculation if evading. </li></ul>
<div>
<div>=A0</div></div>

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Subject[dq] (OT) can anyone give me a lift to Guild meeting please?
FromMenolly
DateMon, 6 Dec 2010 23:25:10 +1300
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Sunday buses suck, is there anyone going through Onehunga on their way =
to Guild meeting that I could beg a lift from? I was hoping to go to the =
lunch thing afterwards so I can get home ok... it's just the getting =
there that's a bit tricky. Help?

Regards,
Karen
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