Something that came up in our game last night is, how high does the Geyser's
created by the Geyser spell (Water S4) go, in order to affect anything flying
above those hexes.  The actual geyser spouts could go higher but we were
talking about the height below that which actually causes damage.  Our ruling
was 10ft + 2/rank and we'd like to propose that be added to the next rule
revision.

The other thing that came up is whether or not Summon Aquatics can summon
sentient aquatic species.  Should they get a saving throw?  Currently it says
Resist:None.

Thanks,

Keith


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On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:30 AM, <phaeton@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:

>
> The other thing that came up is whether or not Summon Aquatics can summon
> sentient aquatic species.  Should they get a saving throw?  Currently it
> says
> Resist:None.
>

Isn't Summon Aquatics the wet equivalent of Summon Beasts of Summon Avians?
All of which are environment based sub-sets of animal summoning... and
exclude sentients.

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He probably just means fantastical, not sentient.

On 25/03/2011, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:30 AM, <phaeton@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
>
>>
>> The other thing that came up is whether or not Summon Aquatics can summon
>> sentient aquatic species.  Should they get a saving throw?  Currently it
>> says
>> Resist:None.
>>
>
> Isn't Summon Aquatics the wet equivalent of Summon Beasts of Summon Avians?
> All of which are environment based sub-sets of animal summoning... and
> exclude sentients.
>


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No, he means sentient. Summon Animals is target animal. Summon avians is
target avians and summon aquatics is target aquatics, ie anything in the
category. Summon avians is resistable and gives fantastical a resistance
bonus while s. animals and s. aquatics are resist: none.
Summoning creatures of light/dark specifies non-sentient.

Kelsie

On 25 March 2011 15:05, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:

> He probably just means fantastical, not sentient.
>
> On 25/03/2011, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:30 AM, <phaeton@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The other thing that came up is whether or not Summon Aquatics can
> summon
> >> sentient aquatic species.  Should they get a saving throw?  Currently it
> >> says
> >> Resist:None.
> >>
> >
> > Isn't Summon Aquatics the wet equivalent of Summon Beasts of Summon
> Avians?
> > All of which are environment based sub-sets of animal summoning... and
> > exclude sentients.
> >
>
>
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No, he means sentient. Summon Animals is target animal. Summon avians is ta=
rget avians and summon aquatics is target aquatics, ie anything in the cate=
gory. Summon avians is resistable and gives fantastical a resistance bonus =
while s. animals and s. aquatics are resist: none.<br>
Summoning creatures of light/dark specifies non-sentient.<br><br>Kelsie<br>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 25 March 2011 15:05, Jim Arona <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">He probably just =
means fantastical, not sentient.<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On 25/03/2011, Martin Dickson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.co=
m">martin.dickson@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:30 AM, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phaeton@slingsh=
ot.co.nz">phaeton@slingshot.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The other thing that came up is whether or not Summon Aquatics can=
 summon<br>
&gt;&gt; sentient aquatic species. =A0Should they get a saving throw? =A0Cu=
rrently it<br>
&gt;&gt; says<br>
&gt;&gt; Resist:None.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Isn&#39;t Summon Aquatics the wet equivalent of Summon Beasts of Summo=
n Avians?<br>
&gt; All of which are environment based sub-sets of animal summoning... and=
<br>
&gt; exclude sentients.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
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For goodness' sake, just change it so that they have a resistance,
maybe + 20 if fantastical, and then stop thinking about it.

On 25/03/2011, Kelsie McArthur <kelsiemca@gmail.com> wrote:
> No, he means sentient. Summon Animals is target animal. Summon avians is
> target avians and summon aquatics is target aquatics, ie anything in the
> category. Summon avians is resistable and gives fantastical a resistance
> bonus while s. animals and s. aquatics are resist: none.
> Summoning creatures of light/dark specifies non-sentient.
>
> Kelsie
>
> On 25 March 2011 15:05, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> He probably just means fantastical, not sentient.
>>
>> On 25/03/2011, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:30 AM, <phaeton@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The other thing that came up is whether or not Summon Aquatics can
>> summon
>> >> sentient aquatic species.  Should they get a saving throw?  Currently
>> >> it
>> >> says
>> >> Resist:None.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Isn't Summon Aquatics the wet equivalent of Summon Beasts of Summon
>> Avians?
>> > All of which are environment based sub-sets of animal summoning... and
>> > exclude sentients.
>> >
>>
>>
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