SubjectRe: [dq] Caster's Grace
FromJim Arona
DateThu, 28 Jul 2011 08:57:25 +1200
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I am happy to rescind the ability to any who are unhappy.

On 27 July 2011 21:23, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah yeah yeah
> Nah.
>
>
> The ability is changed as I have revised it.
>
> This is not a committee or a democracy.
>
>
>
>
> On 27 July 2011 19:00, Stephen Martin <stephenm@aklnz.net> wrote:
>
>> Presumably also excluding Special Attacks, and Triggering (magical Fire
>> action).
>>
>> Might be shorter to list the inclusions:
>> Move, Non-magical pass-action, any others?
>> Stun Recovery?
>> ..
>>
>> Cheers, Stephen.
>>
>> On Wed, July 27, 2011 4:35 pm, Jim Arona wrote:
>> > On seeing this special ability in action, I have decided to change this
>> > special ability:
>> >
>> > Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Cast
>> > Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast Action.
>> >
>> > to
>> >
>> > Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a
>> Strike,
>> > Fire or Cast Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast
>> > Action.
>> >
>> > This will affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called
>> Dancer's
>> > Grace) and Father Rowan.
>> >
>>
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<font face=3D"georgia,serif">I am happy to rescind the ability to any who a=
re unhappy.<br></font><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 27 July 2011 21:23,=
 Jim Arona <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com">jim=
.arona@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">Yeah yeah=
 yeah</font></div><div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">Nah.</font></div><p><fo=
nt face=3D"georgia,serif"></font>=A0</p>
<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">The ability is changed as I have revised =
it. </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif"></font>=A0</div><div><font face=3D"georgi=
a,serif">This is not a committee or a democracy.</font></div><div><div></di=
v><div class=3D"h5"><div>=A0</div><div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">=A0</fo=
nt></div>
<font face=3D"georgia,serif"><div><br>
</div></font><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 27 July 2011 19:0=
0, Stephen Martin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stephenm@aklnz.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank">stephenm@aklnz.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(=
204, 204, 204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">

Presumably also excluding Special Attacks, and Triggering (magical Fire act=
ion).<br>
<br>
Might be shorter to list the inclusions:<br>
Move, Non-magical pass-action, any others?<br>
Stun Recovery?<br>
..<br>
<br>
Cheers, Stephen.<br>
<div><br>
On Wed, July 27, 2011 4:35 pm, Jim Arona wrote:<br>
&gt; On seeing this special ability in action, I have decided to change thi=
s<br>
&gt; special ability:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Cast=
<br>
&gt; Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast Action.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; to<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Stri=
ke,<br>
&gt; Fire or Cast Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast=
<br>
&gt; Action.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This will affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called Dance=
r&#39;s<br>
&gt; Grace) and Father Rowan.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Caster's Grace
FromJonathan Bean
DateThu, 28 Jul 2011 09:50:18 +1200
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Yes I can see you want it changed and have done so.
Normally when dealing with your own character you would talk to the GM who
is GMing you or the one that handed it out and get either of them to sign
off on a change (since you are acting as a player in effect - since your
character is being changed).

So who was the GM that gave it out, or is this from Kieth who is GMing you?

The other thing is - when you say "*This will affect* Dalran, Grendel,
Sabrina (for whom it is called Dancer's Grace) and Father Rowan"

I take it that these characters also have this ability? I guess you have
spoken to the GM that handed the ability out, why are you posting this to
the list and not emailing the players of those characters, since you are not
inviting comment?

Odd

Kind regards,

Jono


On Wed, July 27, 2011 4:35 pm, Jim Arona wrote:

> On seeing this special ability in action, I have decided to change this
>>> > special ability:
>>> >
>>> > Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Cast
>>> > Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast Action.
>>> >
>>> > to
>>> >
>>> > Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a
>>> Strike,
>>> > Fire or Cast Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast
>>> > Action.
>>> >
>>> > This will affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called
>>> Dancer's
>>> > Grace) and Father Rowan.
>>> >
>>>
>>

-- 
Kind regards,

Jonathan Bean
39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn
P: +64 9 376 7309
M: +64 21 917 173
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Yes I can see you want it changed and have done so.<div>Normally when deali=
ng with your own character you would talk to the GM who is GMing you or the=
 one that handed it out and get either of them to sign off on a change (sin=
ce you are acting as a player in effect - since your character is being cha=
nged).</div>
<div><br></div><div>So who was the GM that gave it out, or is this from Kie=
th who is GMing you?</div><div><br>The other thing is - when you say &quot;=
<b>This will affect</b> Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called Dan=
cer&#39;s=A0Grace) and Father Rowan&quot;<br>
<div><br></div><div>I take it that these characters also have this ability?=
 I guess you have spoken to the GM that handed the ability out, why are you=
 posting this to the list and not emailing the players of those characters,=
 since you are not inviting comment?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Odd</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Jono</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, July 27, =
2011 4:35 pm, Jim Arona wrote:</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-l=
eft:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-width:1px;border-l=
eft-style:solid" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"im"><div>
&gt; On seeing this special ability in action, I have decided to change thi=
s<br>
&gt; special ability:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Cast=
<br>
&gt; Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast Action.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; to<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Stri=
ke,<br>
&gt; Fire or Cast Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast=
<br>
&gt; Action.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This will affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called Dance=
r&#39;s<br>
&gt; Grace) and Father Rowan.<br>
&gt;<br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blo=
ckquote><div>=A0</div></div><br>-- <br>Kind regards,<br><br>Jonathan Bean<d=
iv>39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn</div><div>P: +64 9 376 7309<br>M: +64 21 917 =
173<br>
G: <a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.c=
om</a></div><br>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Caster's Grace
FromJim Arona
DateThu, 28 Jul 2011 10:02:31 +1200
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I gave out the ability and saw the effect how Simon (completely legally)
applied it, and it was not my intention for it to work that way.

I have edited everyone's wiki write up to reflect the new wording and have
posted the update here so everyone knows who is affected, and how I have
changed it.

On 28 July 2011 09:50, Jonathan Bean <jonobean@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes I can see you want it changed and have done so.
> Normally when dealing with your own character you would talk to the GM who
> is GMing you or the one that handed it out and get either of them to sign
> off on a change (since you are acting as a player in effect - since your
> character is being changed).
>
> So who was the GM that gave it out, or is this from Kieth who is GMing you?
>
> The other thing is - when you say "*This will affect* Dalran, Grendel,
> Sabrina (for whom it is called Dancer's Grace) and Father Rowan"
>
> I take it that these characters also have this ability? I guess you have
> spoken to the GM that handed the ability out, why are you posting this to
> the list and not emailing the players of those characters, since you are not
> inviting comment?
>
> Odd
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jono
>
>
> On Wed, July 27, 2011 4:35 pm, Jim Arona wrote:
>
>  > On seeing this special ability in action, I have decided to change this
>>>> > special ability:
>>>> >
>>>> > Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Cast
>>>> > Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast Action.
>>>> >
>>>> > to
>>>> >
>>>> > Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a
>>>> Strike,
>>>> > Fire or Cast Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast
>>>> > Action.
>>>> >
>>>> > This will affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called
>>>> Dancer's
>>>> > Grace) and Father Rowan.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
>
> Jonathan Bean
> 39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn
> P: +64 9 376 7309
> M: +64 21 917 173
> G: jonobean@gmail.com
>
>

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<font face=3D"georgia,serif">I gave out the ability and saw the effect how =
Simon (completely legally) applied it, and it was not my intention for it t=
o work that way.<br><br></font><font face=3D"georgia,serif">I have edited e=
veryone&#39;s wiki write up to reflect the new wording and </font><font fac=
e=3D"georgia,serif">have posted the update here so everyone knows who is af=
fected, and how I have changed it. <br>
</font><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 28 July 2011 09:50, Jonathan Bean =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com">jonobean@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Yes I can see you want it changed and have done so.<div>Normally when deali=
ng with your own character you would talk to the GM who is GMing you or the=
 one that handed it out and get either of them to sign off on a change (sin=
ce you are acting as a player in effect - since your character is being cha=
nged).</div>

<div><br></div><div>So who was the GM that gave it out, or is this from Kie=
th who is GMing you?</div><div><br>The other thing is - when you say &quot;=
<b>This will affect</b> Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called Dan=
cer&#39;s=A0Grace) and Father Rowan&quot;<br>

<div><br></div><div>I take it that these characters also have this ability?=
 I guess you have spoken to the GM that handed the ability out, why are you=
 posting this to the list and not emailing the players of those characters,=
 since you are not inviting comment?</div>

<div><br></div><div>Odd</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Jono</div><div class=3D"im"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div=
>On Wed, July 27, 2011 4:35 pm, Jim Arona wrote:</div></div><div><div class=
=3D"im">
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-l=
eft:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-width:1px;border-l=
eft-style:solid" class=3D"gmail_quote">

<div><div>
&gt; On seeing this special ability in action, I have decided to change thi=
s<br>
&gt; special ability:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Cast=
<br>
&gt; Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast Action.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; to<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Stri=
ke,<br>
&gt; Fire or Cast Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast=
<br>
&gt; Action.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This will affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called Dance=
r&#39;s<br>
&gt; Grace) and Father Rowan.<br>
&gt;<br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blo=
ckquote><div>=A0</div></div><br>-- <br></div>Kind regards,<br><br>Jonathan =
Bean<div>39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn</div><div>P: +64 9 376 7309<br>M: +64 2=
1 917 173<br>

G: <a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.c=
om</a></div><br>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Caster's Grace
FromDean Ellis
DateWed, 27 Jul 2011 15:06:23 -0700 (PDT)
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Jim is the GM who handed out the ability to the the 3 characters in questio=
n. It =0Awas gained for all 3 via a Pheonix Wish on a recent game of his. I=
 cannot speak =0Afor where or how Father Rowan acquired the ability. I imag=
ine an issue with its =0Ausage in game has come up and required the de-powe=
rment of the abilty.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:=
 Jonathan Bean <jonobean@gmail.com>=0ATo: dq@dq.sf.org.nz=0ASent: Thu, July=
 28, 2011 9:50:18 AM=0ASubject: Re: [dq] Caster's Grace=0A=0AYes I can see =
you want it changed and have done so. =0ANormally when dealing with your ow=
n character you would talk to the GM who is =0AGMing you or the one that ha=
nded it out and get either of them to sign off on a =0Achange (since you ar=
e acting as a player in effect - since your character is =0Abeing changed).=
=0A=0ASo who was the GM that gave it out, or is this from Kieth who is GMin=
g you?=0A=0AThe other thing is - when you say "This will affect Dalran, Gre=
ndel, Sabrina =0A(for whom it is called Dancer's=A0Grace) and Father Rowan"=
=0A=0A=0AI take it that these characters also have this ability? I guess yo=
u have spoken =0Ato the GM that handed the ability out, why are you posting=
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e you are not inviting =0Acomment?=0A=0AOdd=0A=0AKind regards,=0A=0AJono=0A=
=0A=0AOn Wed, July 27, 2011 4:35 pm, Jim Arona wrote:=0A=0A=0A> On seeing t=
his special ability in action, I have decided to change this=0A>>>> special=
 ability:=0A>>>>=0A>>>> Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Ac=
tion, except a Cast=0A>>>> Action. Spell Preparation must immediately prece=
de a Cast Action.=0A>>>>=0A>>>> to=0A>>>>=0A>>>> Spell Preparation can be c=
ombined with any other Action, except a Strike,=0A>>>> Fire or Cast Action.=
 Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast=0A>>>> Action.=0A>>>>=0A=
>>>> This will affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called Dance=
r's=0A>>>> Grace) and Father Rowan.=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A=0A-- =0AKind regards,=
=0A=0AJonathan Bean =0A39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn=0AP: +64 9 376 7309=0AM: =
+64 21 917 173=0AG: jonobean@gmail.com=0A
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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;=
font-size:12pt"><DIV>Jim is the GM who handed out the ability to the the 3 =
characters in question. It was gained for all 3 via a Pheonix Wish on a rec=
ent game of his. I cannot speak for where or how Father Rowan acquired the =
ability. I imagine an issue with its usage in game has come up and required=
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=0A<DIV>Odd</DIV>=0A<DIV><BR></DIV>=0A<DIV>Kind regards,</DIV>=0A<DIV><BR><=
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>=0A<DIV class=3Dim>=0A<DIV>&gt; On seeing this special ability in action, =
I have decided to change this<BR>&gt; special ability:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Spel=
l Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Cast<BR>&gt; =
Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast Action.<BR>&gt;<B=
R>&gt; to<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Spell Preparation can be combined with any other =
Action, except a Strike,<BR>&gt; Fire or Cast Action. Spell Preparation mus=
t immediately precede a Cast<BR>&gt; Action.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; This will affe=
ct Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called Dancer's<BR>&gt; Grace) =
and Father Rowan.<BR>&gt;<BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></DIV></B=
LOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV><BR>-- <BR>Kind rega=
rds,<BR><BR>Jonathan Bean =0A<DIV>39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn</DIV>=0A<DIV>P=
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SubjectRe: [dq] Caster's Grace
FromJonathan Bean
DateThu, 28 Jul 2011 10:47:11 +1200
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Ahh ok, so that's why such an odd thing has come to be.

I didn't recognise Jim as the GM involved as he is also a player being
effected  by a GM ruling.

I think Keith should review and sign off on changes to abilities for Father
Rowan (since hes the current GM).

Minor as these changes may be, and even given Jims' best of attentions, I
think GMs should not act as GM for their own characters.

On a similar note; I don't think players should have any of their own
character interacting in any way.

In line with this view; I do not give any of my new characters New Haven
Starter Kits as they are an aspect of Count Engaltons' OM largesse.

Kind regards,

Jono


On 28 July 2011 10:06, Dean Ellis <deangellis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Jim is the GM who handed out the ability to the the 3 characters in
> question. It was gained for all 3 via a Pheonix Wish on a recent game of
> his. I cannot speak for where or how Father Rowan acquired the ability. I
> imagine an issue with its usage in game has come up and required the
> de-powerment of the abilty.
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Jonathan Bean <jonobean@gmail.com>
>
> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> *Sent:* Thu, July 28, 2011 9:50:18 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [dq] Caster's Grace
>
> Yes I can see you want it changed and have done so.
> Normally when dealing with your own character you would talk to the GM who
> is GMing you or the one that handed it out and get either of them to sign
> off on a change (since you are acting as a player in effect - since your
> character is being changed).
>
> So who was the GM that gave it out, or is this from Kieth who is GMing you?
>
> The other thing is - when you say "*This will affect* Dalran, Grendel,
> Sabrina (for whom it is called Dancer's Grace) and Father Rowan"
>
> I take it that these characters also have this ability? I guess you have
> spoken to the GM that handed the ability out, why are you posting this to
> the list and not emailing the players of those characters, since you are not
> inviting comment?
>
> Odd
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jono
>
>
> On Wed, July 27, 2011 4:35 pm, Jim Arona wrote:
>
>      > On seeing this special ability in action, I have decided to change
>>>> this
>>>> > special ability:
>>>> >
>>>> > Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Cast
>>>> > Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast Action.
>>>> >
>>>> > to
>>>> >
>>>> > Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a
>>>> Strike,
>>>> > Fire or Cast Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast
>>>> > Action.
>>>> >
>>>> > This will affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called
>>>> Dancer's
>>>> > Grace) and Father Rowan.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
>
> Jonathan Bean
> 39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn
> P: +64 9 376 7309
> M: +64 21 917 173
> G: jonobean@gmail.com
>
>


-- 
Kind regards,

Jonathan Bean
39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn
P: +64 9 376 7309
M: +64 21 917 173
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Ahh ok, so that&#39;s why such an odd thing has come to be.<div><br></div><=
div>I didn&#39;t recognise Jim as the GM involved as he is also a player be=
ing effected =A0by=A0a GM ruling.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I think Keith=
 should review and sign off on changes to abilities for Father Rowan (since=
 hes the current GM).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Minor as these changes may be, and even given Jims&#39;=
 best of=A0attentions, I think GMs should not act as GM for their own chara=
cters.</div><div><br></div><div>On a similar note; I don&#39;t think player=
s should have any of their own character interacting in any way.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>In line with this view; I do not give any of my new cha=
racters New Haven Starter Kits as they are an aspect of Count Engaltons&#39=
; OM largesse.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div><br></div>
<div>Jono</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 28 Jul=
y 2011 10:06, Dean Ellis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:deangellis=
@yahoo.com">deangellis@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex;">
<div><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font=
-size:12pt"><div>Jim is the GM who handed out the ability to the the 3 char=
acters in question. It was gained for all 3 via a Pheonix Wish on a recent =
game of his. I cannot speak for where or how Father Rowan acquired the abil=
ity. I imagine an issue with its usage in game has come up and required the=
 de-powerment of the abilty.<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, =
serif"><br>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, =
serif"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2">
<hr size=3D"1">
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Jonathan Bean &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;<div class=3D"im"><br><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>=
 <a href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><b=
r>
</div><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thu, July 28, 20=
11 9:50:18 AM<div class=3D"im"><br><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subj=
ect:</span></b> Re: [dq] Caster&#39;s Grace<br></div></font><div><div></div=
><div class=3D"h5">
<br>Yes I can see you want it changed and have done so.=20
<div>Normally when dealing with your own character you would talk to the GM=
 who is GMing you or the one that handed it out and get either of them to s=
ign off on a change (since you are acting as a player in effect - since you=
r character is being changed).</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>So who was the GM that gave it out, or is this from Kieth who is GMing=
 you?</div>
<div><br>The other thing is - when you say &quot;<b>This will affect</b> Da=
lran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called Dancer&#39;s=A0Grace) and Fat=
her Rowan&quot;<br>
<div><br></div>
<div>I take it that these characters also have this ability? I guess you ha=
ve spoken to the GM that handed the ability out, why are you posting this t=
o the list and not emailing the players of those characters, since you are =
not inviting comment?</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>Odd</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Jono</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>On Wed, July 27, 2011 4:35 pm, Jim Arona wrote:</div>
<div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
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0px 0.8ex;border-left:#ccc 1px solid">
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0px 0.8ex;border-left:#ccc 1px solid">
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<div>
<div>&gt; On seeing this special ability in action, I have decided to chang=
e this<br>&gt; special ability:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Spell Preparation can be co=
mbined with any other Action, except a Cast<br>&gt; Action. Spell Preparati=
on must immediately precede a Cast Action.<br>
&gt;<br>&gt; to<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Spell Preparation can be combined with any =
other Action, except a Strike,<br>&gt; Fire or Cast Action. Spell Preparati=
on must immediately precede a Cast<br>&gt; Action.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; This wil=
l affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called Dancer&#39;s<br>
&gt; Grace) and Father Rowan.<br>&gt;<br></div></div></blockquote></div></d=
iv></div></blockquote></div></blockquote>
<div>=A0</div></div><br>-- <br>Kind regards,<br><br>Jonathan Bean=20
<div>39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn</div>
<div>P: +64 9 376 7309<br>M: +64 21 917 173<br>G: <a href=3D"mailto:jonobea=
n@gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.com</a></div=
><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br=
>
<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Kind regards,<br><br>Jonathan Bean<div>39 Sack=
ville St, Grey Lynn</div><div>P: +64 9 376 7309<br>M: +64 21 917 173<br>G: =
<a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.com<=
/a></div>
<br>
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FromJim Arona
DateThu, 28 Jul 2011 13:24:56 +1200
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Thanks, but your input is not required, the matter is in hand.

Please mind your own business, Jono.

On 28 July 2011 10:47, Jonathan Bean <jonobean@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ahh ok, so that's why such an odd thing has come to be.
>
> I didn't recognise Jim as the GM involved as he is also a player being
> effected  by a GM ruling.
>
> I think Keith should review and sign off on changes to abilities for Father
> Rowan (since hes the current GM).
>
> Minor as these changes may be, and even given Jims' best of attentions, I
> think GMs should not act as GM for their own characters.
>
> On a similar note; I don't think players should have any of their own
> character interacting in any way.
>
> In line with this view; I do not give any of my new characters New Haven
> Starter Kits as they are an aspect of Count Engaltons' OM largesse.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jono
>
>
> On 28 July 2011 10:06, Dean Ellis <deangellis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Jim is the GM who handed out the ability to the the 3 characters in
>> question. It was gained for all 3 via a Pheonix Wish on a recent game of
>> his. I cannot speak for where or how Father Rowan acquired the ability. I
>> imagine an issue with its usage in game has come up and required the
>> de-powerment of the abilty.
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jonathan Bean <jonobean@gmail.com>
>>
>> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
>> *Sent:* Thu, July 28, 2011 9:50:18 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [dq] Caster's Grace
>>
>> Yes I can see you want it changed and have done so.
>> Normally when dealing with your own character you would talk to the GM who
>> is GMing you or the one that handed it out and get either of them to sign
>> off on a change (since you are acting as a player in effect - since your
>> character is being changed).
>>
>> So who was the GM that gave it out, or is this from Kieth who is GMing
>> you?
>>
>> The other thing is - when you say "*This will affect* Dalran, Grendel,
>> Sabrina (for whom it is called Dancer's Grace) and Father Rowan"
>>
>> I take it that these characters also have this ability? I guess you have
>> spoken to the GM that handed the ability out, why are you posting this to
>> the list and not emailing the players of those characters, since you are not
>> inviting comment?
>>
>> Odd
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Jono
>>
>>
>> On Wed, July 27, 2011 4:35 pm, Jim Arona wrote:
>>
>>      > On seeing this special ability in action, I have decided to change
>>>>> this
>>>>> > special ability:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a
>>>>> Cast
>>>>> > Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast Action.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > to
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a
>>>>> Strike,
>>>>> > Fire or Cast Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a
>>>>> Cast
>>>>> > Action.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > This will affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called
>>>>> Dancer's
>>>>> > Grace) and Father Rowan.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Jonathan Bean
>> 39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn
>> P: +64 9 376 7309
>> M: +64 21 917 173
>> G: jonobean@gmail.com
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
>
> Jonathan Bean
> 39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn
> P: +64 9 376 7309
> M: +64 21 917 173
> G: jonobean@gmail.com
>
>

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<font face=3D"georgia,serif">Thanks, but your input is not required, the ma=
tter is in hand. <br><br>Please mind your own business, Jono.<br></font><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 28 July 2011 10:47, Jonathan Bean <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com">jonobean@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Ahh ok, so that&#39;s why such an odd thing=
 has come to be.<div><br></div><div>I didn&#39;t recognise Jim as the GM in=
volved as he is also a player being effected =A0by=A0a GM ruling.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>I think Keith should review and sign off on changes to =
abilities for Father Rowan (since hes the current GM).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Minor as these changes may be, and even given Jims&#39;=
 best of=A0attentions, I think GMs should not act as GM for their own chara=
cters.</div><div><br></div><div>On a similar note; I don&#39;t think player=
s should have any of their own character interacting in any way.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>In line with this view; I do not give any of my new cha=
racters New Haven Starter Kits as they are an aspect of Count Engaltons&#39=
; OM largesse.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div><br></div>

<div>Jono</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div clas=
s=3D"im">On 28 July 2011 10:06, Dean Ellis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:deangellis@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">deangellis@yahoo.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font=
-size:12pt"><div class=3D"im"><div>Jim is the GM who handed out the ability=
 to the the 3 characters in question. It was gained for all 3 via a Pheonix=
 Wish on a recent game of his. I cannot speak for where or how Father Rowan=
 acquired the ability. I imagine an issue with its usage in game has come u=
p and required the de-powerment of the abilty.<br>

</div>
</div><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman, new york, t=
imes, serif"><br>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, =
serif"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2">
<hr size=3D"1">
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Jonathan Bean &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;<div class=3D"im"><div><br><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span=
></b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz<=
/a><br>

</div></div><div class=3D"im"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</sp=
an></b> Thu, July 28, 2011 9:50:18 AM</div><div><br><div class=3D"im"><b><s=
pan style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] Caster&#39;s Gr=
ace<br>
</div></div></font><div><div></div><div>
<br><div class=3D"im">Yes I can see you want it changed and have done so.=
=20
<div>Normally when dealing with your own character you would talk to the GM=
 who is GMing you or the one that handed it out and get either of them to s=
ign off on a change (since you are acting as a player in effect - since you=
r character is being changed).</div>


<div><br></div>
<div>So who was the GM that gave it out, or is this from Kieth who is GMing=
 you?</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"im"><br>The other thing is - when you say &quot;<b=
>This will affect</b> Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called Dance=
r&#39;s=A0Grace) and Father Rowan&quot;<br>
<div><br></div>
<div>I take it that these characters also have this ability? I guess you ha=
ve spoken to the GM that handed the ability out, why are you posting this t=
o the list and not emailing the players of those characters, since you are =
not inviting comment?</div>


<div><br></div>
<div>Odd</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Jono</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
</div><div class=3D"im"><div>On Wed, July 27, 2011 4:35 pm, Jim Arona wrote=
:</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"im"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:#ccc 1px solid">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:#ccc 1px solid">
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<div>
<div>&gt; On seeing this special ability in action, I have decided to chang=
e this<br>&gt; special ability:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Spell Preparation can be co=
mbined with any other Action, except a Cast<br>&gt; Action. Spell Preparati=
on must immediately precede a Cast Action.<br>

&gt;<br>&gt; to<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Spell Preparation can be combined with any =
other Action, except a Strike,<br>&gt; Fire or Cast Action. Spell Preparati=
on must immediately precede a Cast<br>&gt; Action.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; This wil=
l affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called Dancer&#39;s<br>

&gt; Grace) and Father Rowan.<br>&gt;<br></div></div></blockquote></div></d=
iv></div></blockquote></div></blockquote>
<div>=A0</div></div><br></div><div class=3D"im">-- <br>Kind regards,<br><br=
>Jonathan Bean=20
<div>39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn</div>
<div>P: +64 9 376 7309<br>M: +64 21 917 173<br>G: <a href=3D"mailto:jonobea=
n@gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.com</a></div=
><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></d=
iv>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Kind regards,<br><br>Jonathan Bean<div>39 Sack=
ville St, Grey Lynn</div><div>P: +64 9 376 7309<br>M: +64 21 917 173<br>G: =
<a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.com<=
/a></div>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Caster's Grace
FromIan Wood
DateThu, 28 Jul 2011 14:01:22 +1200
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Then don't post to a public forum Jim,

 

Ian

 

  _____  

From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jim
Arona
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2011 1:25 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Caster's Grace

 

Thanks, but your input is not required, the matter is in hand. 

Please mind your own business, Jono.

On 28 July 2011 10:47, Jonathan Bean <jonobean@gmail.com> wrote:

Ahh ok, so that's why such an odd thing has come to be.

 

I didn't recognise Jim as the GM involved as he is also a player being
effected  by a GM ruling. 

 

I think Keith should review and sign off on changes to abilities for Father
Rowan (since hes the current GM).

 

Minor as these changes may be, and even given Jims' best of attentions, I
think GMs should not act as GM for their own characters.

 

On a similar note; I don't think players should have any of their own
character interacting in any way. 

 

In line with this view; I do not give any of my new characters New Haven
Starter Kits as they are an aspect of Count Engaltons' OM largesse.

 

Kind regards,

 

Jono

 

 

On 28 July 2011 10:06, Dean Ellis <deangellis@yahoo.com> wrote:

Jim is the GM who handed out the ability to the the 3 characters in
question. It was gained for all 3 via a Pheonix Wish on a recent game of
his. I cannot speak for where or how Father Rowan acquired the ability. I
imagine an issue with its usage in game has come up and required the
de-powerment of the abilty.

 


  _____  


From: Jonathan Bean <jonobean@gmail.com>


To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz

Sent: Thu, July 28, 2011 9:50:18 AM

 

Subject: Re: [dq] Caster's Grace

 

Yes I can see you want it changed and have done so. 

Normally when dealing with your own character you would talk to the GM who
is GMing you or the one that handed it out and get either of them to sign
off on a change (since you are acting as a player in effect - since your
character is being changed).

 

So who was the GM that gave it out, or is this from Kieth who is GMing you?


The other thing is - when you say "This will affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina
(for whom it is called Dancer's Grace) and Father Rowan"

 

I take it that these characters also have this ability? I guess you have
spoken to the GM that handed the ability out, why are you posting this to
the list and not emailing the players of those characters, since you are not
inviting comment?

 

Odd

 

Kind regards,

 

Jono

 

 

On Wed, July 27, 2011 4:35 pm, Jim Arona wrote:

 

> On seeing this special ability in action, I have decided to change this
> special ability:
>
> Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Cast
> Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast Action.
>
> to
>
> Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Strike,
> Fire or Cast Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast
> Action.
>
> This will affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called Dancer's
> Grace) and Father Rowan.
>

 

 

-- 
Kind regards,

Jonathan Bean 

39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn

P: +64 9 376 7309
M: +64 21 917 173
G: jonobean@gmail.com

 




-- 
Kind regards,

Jonathan Bean

39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn

P: +64 9 376 7309
M: +64 21 917 173
G: jonobean@gmail.com

 

 

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Then don&#8217;t post to a public =
forum
Jim,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
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face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jim Arona<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 28 July =
2011 1:25
p.m.<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] =
Caster's Grace</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
face=3DGeorgia><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>Thanks, but your input is =
not
required, the matter is in hand. <br>
<br>
Please mind your own business, Jono.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>On 28 July 2011 10:47, Jonathan Bean &lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com">jonobean@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Ahh ok, so that's why such an odd thing has come to =
be.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I didn't recognise Jim as the GM involved as he is also a player =
being
effected &nbsp;by&nbsp;a GM ruling.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I think Keith should review and sign off on changes to abilities =
for
Father Rowan (since hes the current GM).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Minor as these changes may be, and even given Jims' best
of&nbsp;attentions, I think GMs should not act as GM for their own =
characters.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>On a similar note; I don't think players should have any of =
their own
character interacting in any way.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>In line with this view; I do not give any of my new characters =
New
Haven Starter Kits as they are an aspect of Count Engaltons' <st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">OM</st1:place>
largesse.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>On 28 July 2011 10:06, Dean Ellis &lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:deangellis@yahoo.com" =
target=3D"_blank">deangellis@yahoo.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Jim is the GM who handed out the ability to the the 3 characters =
in
question. It was gained for all 3 via a Pheonix Wish on a recent game of =
his. I
cannot speak for where or how Father Rowan acquired the ability. I =
imagine an
issue with its usage in game has come up and required the de-powerment =
of the
abilty.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
Jonathan Bean
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.com</a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=


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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" =
target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Thu, =
July 28,
2011 9:50:18 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Re: =
[dq]
Caster's Grace<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Yes I can see you want it changed and have done so. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Normally when dealing with your own character you would talk to =
the GM
who is GMing you or the one that handed it out and get either of them to =
sign
off on a change (since you are acting as a player in effect - since your
character is being changed).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>So who was the GM that gave it out, or is this from Kieth who is =
GMing
you?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
The other thing is - when you say &quot;<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>This
will affect</span></b> Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called
Dancer's&nbsp;Grace) and Father Rowan&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I take it that these characters also have this ability? I guess =
you
have spoken to the GM that handed the ability out, why are you posting =
this to
the list and not emailing the players of those characters, since you are =
not
inviting comment?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Jono<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed, July 27, 2011 4:35 pm, Jim Arona =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&gt; On seeing this special ability in action, I have decided to =
change
this<br>
&gt; special ability:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a =
Cast<br>
&gt; Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast =
Action.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; to<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a =
Strike,<br>
&gt; Fire or Cast Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a =
Cast<br>
&gt; Action.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This will affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called =
Dancer's<br>
&gt; Grace) and Father Rowan.<br>
&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>-- <br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Jonathan Bean <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address =
w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D3
  face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>39 Sackville =
St</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street>,
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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M: +64 21 917 173<br>
G: <a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<br>
-- <br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Jonathan Bean<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D3
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SubjectRe: [dq] Caster's Grace
FromJim Arona
DateThu, 28 Jul 2011 14:47:14 +1200
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Ian:

What else is this forum except a means of notifying players and their
current DMs about changes which will have an impact on the games that they
are playing in?

That is what I am using it for.

I have not invited debate or advice.













On 28 July 2011 14:01, Ian Wood <dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> ** ** ** **
>
> Then don=92t post to a public forum Jim,****
>
> ** **
>
> Ian****
>
> ** **
>   ------------------------------
>
> *From:* dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] *On Behalf O=
f
> *Jim Arona
> *Sent:* Thursday, 28 July 2011 1:25 p.m.
>
> *To:* **dq@dq.sf.org.nz**
> *Subject:* Re: [dq] Caster's Grace
> ****
>
>  ** **
>
> Thanks, but your input is not required, the matter is in hand.
>
> Please mind your own business, Jono.****
>
> On 28 July 2011 10:47, Jonathan Bean <jonobean@gmail.com> wrote:****
>
> Ahh ok, so that's why such an odd thing has come to be.****
>
> ** **
>
> I didn't recognise Jim as the GM involved as he is also a player being
> effected  by a GM ruling. ****
>
> ** **
>
> I think Keith should review and sign off on changes to abilities for Fath=
er
> Rowan (since hes the current GM).****
>
> ** **
>
> Minor as these changes may be, and even given Jims' best of attentions, I
> think GMs should not act as GM for their own characters.****
>
> ** **
>
> On a similar note; I don't think players should have any of their own
> character interacting in any way. ****
>
> ** **
>
> In line with this view; I do not give any of my new characters New Haven
> Starter Kits as they are an aspect of Count Engaltons' **OM** largesse.**=
*
> *
>
> ** **
>
> Kind regards,****
>
> ** **
>
> Jono****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On 28 July 2011 10:06, Dean Ellis <deangellis@yahoo.com> wrote:****
>
>   Jim is the GM who handed out the ability to the the 3 characters in
> question. It was gained for all 3 via a Pheonix Wish on a recent game of
> his. I cannot speak for where or how Father Rowan acquired the ability. I
> imagine an issue with its usage in game has come up and required the
> de-powerment of the abilty.****
>
> ** **
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Jonathan Bean <jonobean@gmail.com>****
>
>
> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz****
>
> *Sent:* Thu, July 28, 2011 9:50:18 AM****
>
> ** **
>
> *Subject:* Re: [dq] Caster's Grace****
>
> ** **
>
> Yes I can see you want it changed and have done so. ****
>
> Normally when dealing with your own character you would talk to the GM wh=
o
> is GMing you or the one that handed it out and get either of them to sign
> off on a change (since you are acting as a player in effect - since your
> character is being changed).****
>
> ** **
>
> So who was the GM that gave it out, or is this from Kieth who is GMing yo=
u?
> ****
>
>
> The other thing is - when you say "*This will affect* Dalran, Grendel,
> Sabrina (for whom it is called Dancer's Grace) and Father Rowan"****
>
> ** **
>
> I take it that these characters also have this ability? I guess you have
> spoken to the GM that handed the ability out, why are you posting this to
> the list and not emailing the players of those characters, since you are =
not
> inviting comment?****
>
> ** **
>
> Odd****
>
> ** **
>
> Kind regards,****
>
> ** **
>
> Jono****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, July 27, 2011 4:35 pm, Jim Arona wrote:****
>
> ** **
>
>     > On seeing this special ability in action, I have decided to change
> this
> > special ability:
> >
> > Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Cast
> > Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast Action.
> >
> > to
> >
> > Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Strik=
e,
> > Fire or Cast Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast
> > Action.
> >
> > This will affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called Dancer=
's
> > Grace) and Father Rowan.
> >****
>
>      ****
>
> ** **
>
> --
> Kind regards,
>
> Jonathan Bean ****
>
> ****39 Sackville St****, Grey Lynn****
>
> P: +64 9 376 7309
> M: +64 21 917 173
> G: jonobean@gmail.com****
>
> ** **
>
>
>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
>
> Jonathan Bean****
>
> ****39 Sackville St****, Grey Lynn****
>
> P: +64 9 376 7309
> M: +64 21 917 173
> G: jonobean@gmail.com****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
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<font face=3D"georgia,serif">Ian:<br><br>What else is this forum except a m=
eans of notifying players and their current DMs about changes which will ha=
ve an impact on the games that they are playing in?<br><br>That is what I a=
m using it for. <br>
<br>I have not invited debate or advice.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br=
><br><br><br><br></font><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 28 July 2011 14:0=
1, Ian Wood <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz">d=
awnhaven@xtra.co.nz</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">




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 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Then don=92t post =
to a public forum
Jim,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b=
><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:Tahoma">
<a href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.o=
rg.nz</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank=
">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">On Behalf =
Of </span></b>Jim Arona<br>

<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 28 July 2011=
 1:25
p.m.</span></font></p><div class=3D"im"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b=
r>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <u></u><a href=3D"mailto=
:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><u></u><br>
</font></div><div><div><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"></font></div><div c=
lass=3D"h5"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:=
bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] Caster&#39;s Grace</font></div></div><u>=
</u><u></u><p>
</p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font face=3D"Georgia=
" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Georgia">Thanks, b=
ut your input is not
required, the matter is in hand. <br>
<br>
Please mind your own business, Jono.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">On 28 July 2011 10:47, Jonathan Bean &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.com</a>&gt; wro=
te:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Ahh ok, so that&#39;s why such an odd thing has come=
 to be.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">I didn&#39;t recognise Jim as the GM involved as he =
is also a player being
effected =A0by=A0a GM ruling.=A0<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">I think Keith should review and sign off on changes =
to abilities for
Father Rowan (since hes the current GM).<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Minor as these changes may be, and even given Jims&#=
39; best
of=A0attentions, I think GMs should not act as GM for their own characters.=
<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

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e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">On a similar note; I don&#39;t think players should =
have any of their own
character interacting in any way.=A0<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">In line with this view; I do not give any of my new =
characters New
Haven Starter Kits as they are an aspect of Count Engaltons&#39; <u></u>OM<=
u></u>
largesse.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

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e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Jono<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">On 28 July 2011 10:06, Dean Ellis &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:deangellis@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">deangellis@yahoo.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Jim is the GM who handed out the ability to the the =
3 characters in
question. It was gained for all 3 via a Pheonix Wish on a recent game of hi=
s. I
cannot speak for where or how Father Rowan acquired the ability. I imagine =
an
issue with its usage in game has come up and required the de-powerment of t=
he
abilty.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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</div>

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e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b=
><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:Tahoma"> Jonathan Bean
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"><br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.=
sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><u></u><u></u></span></font=
></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></font></b=
><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:Tahoma"> Thu, July 28,
2011 9:50:18 AM<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></font>=
</b><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:Tahoma"> Re: [dq]
Caster&#39;s Grace<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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</div>

<div>

<div>

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e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Yes I can see you want it changed and have done so. =
<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Normally when dealing with your own character you wo=
uld talk to the GM
who is GMing you or the one that handed it out and get either of them to si=
gn
off on a change (since you are acting as a player in effect - since your
character is being changed).<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">So who was the GM that gave it out, or is this from =
Kieth who is GMing
you?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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</div>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><br>
The other thing is - when you say &quot;<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold"=
>This
will affect</span></b> Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called
Dancer&#39;s=A0Grace) and Father Rowan&quot;<u></u><u></u></span></font></p=
>

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e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">I take it that these characters also have this abili=
ty? I guess you
have spoken to the GM that handed the ability out, why are you posting this=
 to
the list and not emailing the players of those characters, since you are no=
t
inviting comment?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Odd<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

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e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Jono<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">On Wed, July 27, 2011 4:35 pm, Jim Arona wrote:<u></=
u><u></u></span></font></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">&gt; On seeing this special ability in action, I hav=
e decided to change
this<br>
&gt; special ability:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Cast=
<br>
&gt; Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast Action.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; to<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Spell Preparation can be combined with any other Action, except a Stri=
ke,<br>
&gt; Fire or Cast Action. Spell Preparation must immediately precede a Cast=
<br>
&gt; Action.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This will affect Dalran, Grendel, Sabrina (for whom it is called Dance=
r&#39;s<br>
&gt; Grace) and Father Rowan.<br>
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