SubjectRe: [dq] Rulebook to ePub
FromErrol Cavit
DateThu, 13 Dec 2012 08:52:34 +1300
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I should be able to send early this evening.
When I decided last night that it was time to stop faffing about on the web=
 and check the files, my laptop started misbehaving (as it has been the las=
t couple of weeks when I ask it to think too hard, like edit photos). I hav=
e backups on an external drive, as well as near-final/final LaTeX files in =
Hotmail, plus Andrew W probably has them too (as he generated the PDF).

Errol

From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Kel=
sie McArthur
Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012 5:53 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Rulebook to ePub

Once it is in epub it will be in any ebook formats within a moment.

So who is going to send me a file?
On 12 December 2012 17:10, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com<mailto:Er=
rol.Cavit@tollgroup.com>> wrote:
Thanks for volunteering to convert into the effectively proprietary format =
from the basically open one :)
Or HTML to mobi might work better (especially from tweaked HTML that conver=
ts to ePub nicely).

Hopefully that conversion is fairly straight forward, I'm guessing that aga=
in the tables would be the most hassle. Indeed, it might be a good time/val=
ue tradeoff to exclude the tables (or not worry that they are badly laid ou=
t) from the exercise.

Errol


From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz<mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz> [mailto:dq-owner@=
dq.sf.org.nz<mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz>] On Behalf Of Jacqui Smith
Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012 4:46 p.m.

To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz<mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz>
Subject: Re: [dq] Rulebook to ePub

On 12/12/2012 9:08 AM, Errol Cavit wrote:
Jono and Kelsie were asking on Sunday about having the Rulebook available i=
n ePub format.

Should I ask at a couple of places where I mainly lurk which have lots of p=
eople involved in publishing?
They can probably suggest tools that will be useful in the process, and sug=
gest workable approaches.
How about mobi (for those of us who have Kindles)?

Jacqui


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nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I should =
be able to send early this evening.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color=
:#1F497D'>When I decided last night that it was time to stop faffing about =
on the web and check the files, my laptop started misbehaving (as it has be=
en the last couple of weeks when I ask it to think too hard, like edit phot=
os). I have backups on an external drive, as well as near-final/final LaTeX=
 files in Hotmail, plus Andrew W probably has them too (as he generated the=
 PDF).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Errol<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;bord=
er-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'bord=
er:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"T=
ahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq=
-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kelsie McArthur<br><b>Sent:</b> We=
dnesday, 12 December 2012 5:53 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> Re: [dq] Rulebook to ePub<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bo=
ttom:12.0pt'>Once it is in epub it will be in any ebook formats within a mo=
ment.<br><br>So who is going to send me a file?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>On 12 December 2012 17:10, Errol Cavit &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:E=
rrol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" target=3D"_blank">Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-=
top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for volunteering to =
convert into the effectively proprietary format from the basically open one=
 </span><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D=
'>J</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:a=
uto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Or HTML to mobi might work better (e=
specially from tweaked HTML that converts to ePub nicely).</span><o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-botto=
m-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-ser=
if";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font=
-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hopefully th=
at conversion is fairly straight forward, I&#8217;m guessing that again the=
 tables would be the most hassle. Indeed, it might be a good time/value tra=
deoff to exclude the tables (or not worry that they are badly laid out) fro=
m the exercise.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-marg=
in-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-seri=
f";color:#1F497D'>Errol</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'=
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e:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:=
p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto'><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma"=
,"sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.n=
z" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq=
-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] <b>On Beh=
alf Of </b>Jacqui Smith<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 12 December 2012 4:46 p.=
m.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D=
"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br><b>Subjec=
t:</b> Re: [dq] Rulebook to ePub<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;m=
so-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 12/12/2012 9:08 AM, Errol Cavit wrote: <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Jono and Kelsie were asking on Sunday about havin=
g the Rulebook available in ePub format.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
 style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto'>Should I ask at a couple of places where I mainly lurk which=
 have lots of people involved in publishing?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>They can =
probably suggest tools that will be useful in the process, and suggest work=
able approaches.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top=
-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>How about mobi (for those of us who h=
ave Kindles)?<br><br>Jacqui<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></body></html>=

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SubjectRe: [dq] Rulebook to ePub
FromKelsie McArthur
DateThu, 13 Dec 2012 09:50:56 +1300
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The email I have for Andrew is no longer valid.

Kelsie

On 13 December 2012 08:52, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com> wrote:

> I should be able to send early this evening.****
>
> When I decided last night that it was time to stop faffing about on the
> web and check the files, my laptop started misbehaving (as it has been th=
e
> last couple of weeks when I ask it to think too hard, like edit photos). =
I
> have backups on an external drive, as well as near-final/final LaTeX file=
s
> in Hotmail, plus Andrew W probably has them too (as he generated the PDF)=
.
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> Errol****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelsie McArthur
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 December 2012 5:53 p.m.
>
> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> *Subject:* Re: [dq] Rulebook to ePub****
>
> ** **
>
> Once it is in epub it will be in any ebook formats within a moment.
>
> So who is going to send me a file?****
>
> On 12 December 2012 17:10, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com> wrote:=
*
> ***
>
> Thanks for volunteering to convert into the effectively proprietary forma=
t
> from the basically open one J****
>
> Or HTML to mobi might work better (especially from tweaked HTML that
> converts to ePub nicely).****
>
>  ****
>
> Hopefully that conversion is fairly straight forward, I=92m guessing that
> again the tables would be the most hassle. Indeed, it might be a good
> time/value tradeoff to exclude the tables (or not worry that they are bad=
ly
> laid out) from the exercise.****
>
>  ****
>
> Errol****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] *On Behalf
> Of *Jacqui Smith
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 December 2012 4:46 p.m.****
>
>
> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> *Subject:* Re: [dq] Rulebook to ePub****
>
>  ****
>
> On 12/12/2012 9:08 AM, Errol Cavit wrote: ****
>
> Jono and Kelsie were asking on Sunday about having the Rulebook available
> in ePub format.****
>
>  ****
>
> Should I ask at a couple of places where I mainly lurk which have lots of
> people involved in publishing?****
>
> They can probably suggest tools that will be useful in the process, and
> suggest workable approaches.****
>
> How about mobi (for those of us who have Kindles)?
>
> Jacqui****
>
> ** **
>

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The email I have for Andrew is no longer valid.<br><br>Kelsie<br><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote">On 13 December 2012 08:52, Errol Cavit <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" target=3D"_blank">Errol=
.Cavit@tollgroup.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"=
EN-NZ"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I should be a=
ble to send early this evening.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">When I decided last night=
 that it was time to stop faffing about on the web and check the files, my =
laptop started misbehaving (as it has been the last couple of weeks when I =
ask it to think too hard, like edit photos). I have backups on an external =
drive, as well as near-final/final LaTeX files in Hotmail, plus Andrew W pr=
obably has them too (as he generated the PDF).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Errol<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span><=
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cm 4.0pt">
<div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt=
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t-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</s=
pan></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US"> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=
" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-=
owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] <b>On Beha=
lf Of </b>Kelsie McArthur<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 12 December 2012 5:53 p.m.</span></p><div class=3D"=
im"><br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq@=
dq.sf.org.nz</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Rulebook to ePub<u></u><u></u>=
</div>
<p></p></div></div><div class=3D"im"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Once it is in e=
pub it will be in any ebook formats within a moment.<br><br>So who is going=
 to send me a file?<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 12 December 2012 17:10, Errol Cavit &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" target=3D"_blank">Errol.Cavit@toll=
group.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Thanks for volunteering to convert into the effe=
ctively proprietary format from the basically open one </span><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Or HTML to mobi might wor=
k better (especially from tweaked HTML that converts to ePub nicely).</span=
><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=A0</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Hopefully that convers=
ion is fairly straight forward, I=92m guessing that again the tables would =
be the most hassle. Indeed, it might be a good time/value tradeoff to exclu=
de the tables (or not worry that they are badly laid out) from the exercise=
.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=A0</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Errol</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=A0</span><u></u><u></u><=
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;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;paddin=
g:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US">F=
rom:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US"> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf=
.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mai=
lto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] <b>=
On Behalf Of </b>Jacqui Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 12 December 2012 4:46 p.m.</span><u></u><u></u></p>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.n=
z" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Rulebo=
ok to ePub<u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">On 12/12/2012 9:08 AM, Errol Cavit wrote: <u></u><u></u></p><div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jono and Kelsie were asking on Sunday about hav=
ing the Rulebook available in ePub format.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Should I=
 ask at a couple of places where I mainly lurk which have lots of people in=
volved in publishing?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">They can prob=
ably suggest tools that will be useful in the process, and suggest workable=
 approaches.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How about mobi (for those of us who have Kindles)?<b=
r><br>Jacqui<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></=
div>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Rulebook to ePub
FromKelsie McArthur
DateThu, 13 Dec 2012 10:37:45 +1300
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Sorry, didn't mean this to go to list. Has been replied to offline. Thanks

On 13 December 2012 09:50, Kelsie McArthur <kelsiemca@gmail.com> wrote:

> The email I have for Andrew is no longer valid.
>
> Kelsie
>
> On 13 December 2012 08:52, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> I should be able to send early this evening.****
>>
>> When I decided last night that it was time to stop faffing about on the
>> web and check the files, my laptop started misbehaving (as it has been t=
he
>> last couple of weeks when I ask it to think too hard, like edit photos).=
 I
>> have backups on an external drive, as well as near-final/final LaTeX fil=
es
>> in Hotmail, plus Andrew W probably has them too (as he generated the PDF=
).
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Errol****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] *On Behalf
>> Of *Kelsie McArthur
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 December 2012 5:53 p.m.
>>
>> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
>> *Subject:* Re: [dq] Rulebook to ePub****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Once it is in epub it will be in any ebook formats within a moment.
>>
>> So who is going to send me a file?****
>>
>> On 12 December 2012 17:10, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com> wrote=
:
>> ****
>>
>> Thanks for volunteering to convert into the effectively proprietary
>> format from the basically open one J****
>>
>> Or HTML to mobi might work better (especially from tweaked HTML that
>> converts to ePub nicely).****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Hopefully that conversion is fairly straight forward, I=92m guessing tha=
t
>> again the tables would be the most hassle. Indeed, it might be a good
>> time/value tradeoff to exclude the tables (or not worry that they are ba=
dly
>> laid out) from the exercise.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Errol****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> *From:* dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] *On Behalf
>> Of *Jacqui Smith
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 December 2012 4:46 p.m.****
>>
>>
>> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
>> *Subject:* Re: [dq] Rulebook to ePub****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> On 12/12/2012 9:08 AM, Errol Cavit wrote: ****
>>
>> Jono and Kelsie were asking on Sunday about having the Rulebook availabl=
e
>> in ePub format.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Should I ask at a couple of places where I mainly lurk which have lots o=
f
>> people involved in publishing?****
>>
>> They can probably suggest tools that will be useful in the process, and
>> suggest workable approaches.****
>>
>> How about mobi (for those of us who have Kindles)?
>>
>> Jacqui****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>
>

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Sorry, didn&#39;t mean this to go to list. Has been replied to offline. Tha=
nks<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 13 December 2012 09:50, Kelsie McA=
rthur <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kelsiemca@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">kelsiemca@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">The =
email I have for Andrew is no longer valid.<br><br>Kelsie<br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">
On 13 December 2012 08:52, Errol Cavit <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" target=3D"_blank">Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com<=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"=
EN-NZ"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I should be a=
ble to send early this evening.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">When I decided last night=
 that it was time to stop faffing about on the web and check the files, my =
laptop started misbehaving (as it has been the last couple of weeks when I =
ask it to think too hard, like edit photos). I have backups on an external =
drive, as well as near-final/final LaTeX files in Hotmail, plus Andrew W pr=
obably has them too (as he generated the PDF).<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Errol<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span><=
/p><div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0=
cm 4.0pt">

<div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt=
 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</s=
pan></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US"> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=
" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-=
owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] <b>On Beha=
lf Of </b>Kelsie McArthur<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 12 December 2012 5:53 p.m.</span></p><div><br><b>To=
:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz<=
/a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Rulebook to ePub<u></u><u></u></div>
<p></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Once it is in epub it will b=
e in any ebook formats within a moment.<br><br>So who is going to send me a=
 file?<u></u><u></u></p>

<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 12 December 2012 17:10, Errol Cavit &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" target=3D"_blank">Errol.Cavit@toll=
group.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Thanks for volunteering to convert into the effe=
ctively proprietary format from the basically open one </span><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Or HTML to mobi might wor=
k better (especially from tweaked HTML that converts to ePub nicely).</span=
><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=A0</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Hopefully that convers=
ion is fairly straight forward, I=92m guessing that again the tables would =
be the most hassle. Indeed, it might be a good time/value tradeoff to exclu=
de the tables (or not worry that they are badly laid out) from the exercise=
.</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=A0</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Errol</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=A0</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>

<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;paddin=
g:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US">F=
rom:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US"> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf=
.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mai=
lto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] <b>=
On Behalf Of </b>Jacqui Smith<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 12 December 2012 4:46 p.m.</span><u></u><u></u></p>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.n=
z" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Rulebo=
ok to ePub<u></u><u></u></p>

</div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">On 12/12/2012 9:08 AM, Errol Cavit wrote: <u></u><u></u></p><div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jono and Kelsie were asking on Sunday about hav=
ing the Rulebook available in ePub format.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Should I=
 ask at a couple of places where I mainly lurk which have lots of people in=
volved in publishing?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">They can prob=
ably suggest tools that will be useful in the process, and suggest workable=
 approaches.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How about mobi (for those of us who have Kindles)?<b=
r><br>Jacqui<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></=
div>

<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Changing Racial Tax
FromJim Arona
DateThu, 13 Dec 2012 12:11:07 +1300
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I wasn't at the Guild Meeting, so I wasn't there to hear this.

I do not support the idea of reducing Racial Taxes. In fact, the only
suggestion I would entertain is increasing them.

The reason is that experience is earnt in a linear fashion. On the other
hand, it is spent, in alsmost all cases, in an exponential fashion. This is
certainly the case for Magic, it is my analysis that the costs for Skills
and Weapons increase at a rate congruent with a Fibonacci sequence, which
is, in any case, approximately exponential in nature.

This means that the cost of advancing increases at higher Ranks, and
therefore the effect is, when compared against a linear rate of income,
that the inhuman will only be a few Ranks behind.

Assume a human has advanced a 100 Exp. Mult. spell to Rank 20 at a cost of
21,000 Experience.
A shapechanger would only be able to spend 15,000 Experience. It costs
15,300 Experience to raise the spell to Rank 17.

This is a rate, which means that because of the increasing costs of
Ranking, the distance that a shapechanger will lag behind a human is going
to be about 3 Ranks.

So, my objection is that the advantage of being human is nothing *other
than this*, and I don't see it as being a particularly powerful motivation
to be human. Any process that diminishes the one advantage (such as it is)
that humans can have is an in-game motivation to choose something else.

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<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">I wasn&#39;t at the Guild Meeting, so I w=
asn&#39;t there to hear this.<br><br>I do not support the idea of reducing =
Racial Taxes. In fact, the only suggestion I would entertain is increasing =
them.</font></div>
<font face=3D"georgia,serif"><div><br>The reason is that experience is earn=
t in a linear fashion. On the other hand, it is spent, in alsmost all cases=
, in an exponential fashion. This is certainly the case for Magic, it is my=
 analysis that the costs for Skills and Weapons increase at a rate congruen=
t with a Fibonacci sequence, which is, in any case, approximately exponenti=
al in nature.</div>
<div><br>This means that the cost of advancing increases at higher Ranks, a=
nd therefore the effect is, when compared against a linear rate of income, =
that the inhuman will only be a few Ranks behind.</div><div><br>Assume a hu=
man has advanced a 100 Exp. Mult. spell to Rank 20 at a cost of 21,000 Expe=
rience.<br>
A shapechanger would only be able to spend 15,000 Experience. It costs 15,3=
00 Experience to raise the spell to Rank 17.</div><div><br>This is a rate, =
which means that because of the increasing costs of Ranking, the distance t=
hat a shapechanger will lag behind a human is going to be about 3 Ranks.</d=
iv>
<div><br>So, my objection is that the advantage of being human is nothing <=
strong>other than this</strong>, and I don&#39;t see it as being a particul=
arly powerful motivation to be human. Any process that diminishes the one a=
dvantage (such as it is) that humans can have is an in-game motivation to c=
hoose something else.<br>
</div></font>

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