| Subject | Re: [dq] Guild Club Subs $20 |
|---|---|
| From | Keith Smith |
| Date | Fri, 08 Mar 2013 08:22:31 +1300 |
>Now that we have a better idea of the actual costs of the club, the committee has agreed to reduce the individual membership to $20. And introduce a Family Membership at $30 >Each paid membership (individual or family) gets one vote at the AGM and one copy of the printed SGT at each meeting. So, are you saying that a family membership consisting of two or more active players only gets one vote? Usually each member of the family would have their own vote. Could you please clarify? Keith -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | [dq-announce] 2012-13 Accounts and related info |
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| From | Errol Cavit |
| Date | Fri, 8 Mar 2013 09:10:28 +1300 |
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Please find attached:
2012-13 Club Financial Statements.
Note that due to pre-paying 4 years of web hosting (to get =
discounts), cash going out has been somewhat more than expenses charged aga=
inst the 2012-13 Financial Year. Also these are prepared using bank stateme=
nts up to 3rd March, money received after this date will be included in the=
2013-14 accounts (although that money counts for purposes of being a finan=
cial member at the March 2013 AGM).
A spreadsheet amalgamation of the bank statement entries (pdfs will be avai=
lable for viewing on Sunday).
Some guesses about expected income and expenses for 2013-14.
Regards
Errol Cavit
Treasurer
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| Subject | Re: [dq] Guild Club Subs $20 |
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| From | Stephen Martin |
| Date | Fri, 8 Mar 2013 09:18:05 +1300 |
As you and I have discussed previously Keith, yes, that is exactly what it means. It keeps the structure simple. If it is a concern to anyone then they can simple join as multiple individuals. On Fri, March 8, 2013 8:22 am, Keith Smith wrote: > >Now that we have a better idea of the actual costs of the club, the > committee has agreed to reduce the individual membership to $20. And > introduce a Family Membership at $30 >Each paid membership (individual > or family) gets one vote at the AGM and one copy of the printed SGT at > each meeting. > > So, are you saying that a family membership consisting of two or more > active players only gets one vote? Usually each member of the family > would have their own vote. Could you please clarify? > > Keith -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Guild Club Subs $20 |
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| From | Ian Wood |
| Date | Fri, 8 Mar 2013 10:06:17 +1300 |
I was planning on paying separately for Isil Eth and Sir Wojer, and getting two votes like i always do at Guild Meetings ;-) Gobbo will be distracted by a smelly fish, as there is no way anyone would join a club that included him / that-disgusting-thing as a member. I would guess there is a separation between club membership - now firmly requested to play DQ - with Guild Meeting attendance. Gods get to vote on rules; PCs get to vote on awards; Members get to vote on committee. Stephen - how does a Family Pass fit with committee membership? And are your children playing? coz $30 for 8 players seems pretty good. Ian > -----Original Message----- > From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On > Behalf Of Keith Smith > Sent: Friday, 8 March 2013 08:23 > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: [dq] Guild Club Subs $20 > > >Now that we have a better idea of the actual costs of the > club, the committee has agreed to reduce the individual > membership to $20. And introduce a Family Membership at $30 > >Each paid membership (individual or family) gets one vote at > the AGM and one copy of the printed SGT at each meeting. > > So, are you saying that a family membership consisting of two > or more active players only gets one vote? Usually each > member of the family would have their own vote. Could you > please clarify? > > Keith > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2641/6152 - Release > Date: 03/06/13 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2641/6152 - Release Date: 03/06/13 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2641/6152 - Release Date: 03/06/13 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2641/6152 - Release Date: 03/06/13 -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Guild Club Subs $20 |
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| From | Jacqui Smith |
| Date | Fri, 08 Mar 2013 10:19:55 +1300 |
On 3/8/2013 9:18 AM, Stephen Martin wrote: > As you and I have discussed previously Keith, yes, that is exactly what it means. > It keeps the structure simple. > > If it is a concern to anyone then they can simple join as multiple individuals. > Actually the converse is the case. It means that families (or couples) have to argue what to do with their single vote on each issue - imagine what that's going to do at the meetings! And don't say that they should sort it out in advance... as if that's going to happen! But one Seagate Times per family is sensible - we don't need one each, and it's the bit that costs money (and trees). Jacqui -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Guild Club Subs $20 |
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| From | Errol Cavit |
| Date | Fri, 8 Mar 2013 10:43:04 +1300 |
> -----Original Message----- > From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jacqui > Smith > Sent: Friday, 8 March 2013 10:20 a.m. > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: [dq] Guild Club Subs $20 > > On 3/8/2013 9:18 AM, Stephen Martin wrote: > > As you and I have discussed previously Keith, yes, that is exactly what it > means. > > It keeps the structure simple. > > > > If it is a concern to anyone then they can simple join as multiple > individuals. > > > Actually the converse is the case. It means that families (or couples) have to > argue what to do with their single vote on each issue - imagine what that's > going to do at the meetings! > > And don't say that they should sort it out in advance... as if that's going to > happen! > If you aren't organised enough to discuss pre-notified simple motions in advance with your partner, or don't think you can deal with possible contested officer elections decisions quickly, then get separate subs. If an additional $10 a year is a financial hardship, we have an understanding policy of 'pay what you can'. One sub = one vote is simple to administer. What's the pressing need to make things complicated? > But one Seagate Times per family is sensible - we don't need one each, and > it's the bit that costs money (and trees). No it doesn't - what costs the club are the fixed costs of hall hire and web hosting fees, the printing costs are less than $5 per year per sub. Feel free to tell whoever is doing the printing that you don't require one, or give it to a non-member who will appreciate it. Errol -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Guild Club Subs $20 |
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| From | Stephen Martin |
| Date | Fri, 8 Mar 2013 10:49:31 +1300 |
On Fri, March 8, 2013 10:06 am, Ian Wood wrote: > I was planning on paying separately for Isil Eth and Sir Wojer, and getting > two votes like i always do at Guild Meetings ;-) I'm shocked and appalled Ian! And disappointed in your role-playing. Surely Isil Eth wouldn't dirty her hands with such things, she'd pay 100 people to go vote for her, or maybe they should pay her for the honour of voting for her opinion. Or maybe make that Human (Ian) holding her train (that he foolishly thinks are controlling strings) go do it for her. > Gobbo will be distracted by a smelly fish, as there is no way anyone would > join a club that included him / that-disgusting-thing as a member. And guild security told him if he publicly played with that member again they'd cut it off. > > I would guess there is a separation between club membership - now firmly > requested to play DQ - with Guild Meeting attendance. > Gods get to vote on rules; > PCs get to vote on awards; > Members get to vote on committee. Yes, the club membership and committee and club rules is all about the requirements of club incorporation. Nothing to do with the important stuff like whether Aryan, Kilroy, or Broc was most stupid - or was it Penni for agreeing to be in charge of them all? > Stephen - how does a Family Pass fit with committee membership? Ideally I think we should have a committee representing a wider spread of the dq group. But I'm not turning away any volunteers who are actually willing to commit to a job for a year. Of course it would not be a good look if a committee member was not paid up, hard to look credible when asking others to pay. > And are your children playing? coz $30 for 8 players seems pretty good. Nick, Ciaran, and Morgan are playing in short games when school, waterpolo, swimming, hockey, etc etc allow. Fortunately they're all students and I deviously snuck that rule into the initial club document. ;-) Children are gods gift to us to make us appreciate just how much spare time we used to have when we thought we were soooo busy. :-) > > > Ian > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On >> Behalf Of Keith Smith >> Sent: Friday, 8 March 2013 08:23 >> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >> Subject: Re: [dq] Guild Club Subs $20 >> >> >Now that we have a better idea of the actual costs of the >> club, the committee has agreed to reduce the individual >> membership to $20. And introduce a Family Membership at $30 >> >Each paid membership (individual or family) gets one vote at >> the AGM and one copy of the printed SGT at each meeting. >> >> So, are you saying that a family membership consisting of two >> or more active players only gets one vote? Usually each >> member of the family would have their own vote. Could you >> please clarify? >> >> Keith >> >> >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2641/6152 - Release >> Date: 03/06/13 >> > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2641/6152 - Release Date: 03/06/13 > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2641/6152 - Release Date: 03/06/13 > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2641/6152 - Release Date: 03/06/13 > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Guild Club Subs $20 |
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| From | Stephen Martin |
| Date | Fri, 8 Mar 2013 10:56:28 +1300 |
On Fri, March 8, 2013 10:19 am, Jacqui Smith wrote: > Actually the converse is the case. It means that families (or couples) > have to argue what to do with their single vote on each issue - imagine > what that's going to do at the meetings! > > And don't say that they should sort it out in advance... as if that's > going to happen! My marriage counselling rates are very reasonable and preferably paid in good beer which I'll consume during the session at my offices (sometimes referred to as a pub). Any time family members argue how to use their vote at a meeting they are required to subscribe to one of my sessions. If the argument is at volume then I'll require everyone in ear shot to act as co-counsellors during the session, naturally they will also need to be paid in beer (or cider). I'm fairly sure we can get this voted into the club rules. -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Guild Club Subs $20 |
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| From | Ian Wood |
| Date | Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:33:38 +1300 |
> -----Original Message----- > From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On > Behalf Of Stephen Martin > Sent: Friday, 8 March 2013 10:56 > To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz > Subject: Re: [dq] Guild Club Subs $20 > > On Fri, March 8, 2013 10:19 am, Jacqui Smith wrote: > > Actually the converse is the case. It means that families > (or couples) > > have to argue what to do with their single vote on each issue - > > imagine what that's going to do at the meetings! > > > > And don't say that they should sort it out in advance... as > if that's > > going to happen! > > My marriage counselling rates are very reasonable and > preferably paid in good beer which I'll consume during the > session at my offices (sometimes referred to as a pub). > Any time family members argue how to use their vote at a > meeting they are required to subscribe to one of my sessions. > If the argument is at volume then I'll require everyone in > ear shot to act as co-counsellors during the session, > naturally they will also need to be paid in beer (or cider). > > I'm fairly sure we can get this voted into the club rules. I think AGMs and committee meetings should be held in a family friendly environment, a pulpit of ultimate decision, or PUB for short. > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2641/6152 - Release > Date: 03/06/13 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2641/6152 - Release Date: 03/06/13 -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | Re: [dq] Guild Club Subs $20 |
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| From | Jim Arona |
| Date | Fri, 8 Mar 2013 12:27:09 +1300 |
--f46d043c7b96a4d99004d75e0b34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That's a PUD, which, I believe, has a related but slightly different meaning. I'm sure you mean the Beveragery of Acrimonious Recrimination... On Friday, 8 March 2013, Ian Wood <dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On >> Behalf Of Stephen Martin >> Sent: Friday, 8 March 2013 10:56 >> To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz >> Subject: Re: [dq] Guild Club Subs $20 >> >> On Fri, March 8, 2013 10:19 am, Jacqui Smith wrote: >> > Actually the converse is the case. It means that families >> (or couples) >> > have to argue what to do with their single vote on each issue - >> > imagine what that's going to do at the meetings! >> > >> > And don't say that they should sort it out in advance... as >> if that's >> > going to happen! >> >> My marriage counselling rates are very reasonable and >> preferably paid in good beer which I'll consume during the >> session at my offices (sometimes referred to as a pub). >> Any time family members argue how to use their vote at a >> meeting they are required to subscribe to one of my sessions. >> If the argument is at volume then I'll require everyone in >> ear shot to act as co-counsellors during the session, >> naturally they will also need to be paid in beer (or cider). >> >> I'm fairly sure we can get this voted into the club rules. > > I think AGMs and committee meetings should be held in a family friendly > environment, a pulpit of ultimate decision, or PUB for short. > > > >> >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2641/6152 - Release >> Date: 03/06/13 >> > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2641/6152 - Release Date: 03/06/13 > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > --f46d043c7b96a4d99004d75e0b34 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's a PUD, which, I believe, has a related but slightly different me= aning.<br>I'm sure you mean the Beveragery of Acrimonious Recrimination= ...<br>On Friday, 8 March 2013, Ian Wood <<a href=3D"mailto:dawnhaven@xt= ra.co.nz">dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz</a>> wrote:<br> ><br>><br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> From: <a hr= ef=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a hr= ef=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] On<br>>&g= t; Behalf Of Stephen Martin<br> >> Sent: Friday, 8 March 2013 10:56<br>>> To: <a href=3D"mailto= :dq@dq.sf.org.nz">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br>>> Subject: Re: [dq] Guild C= lub Subs $20<br>>><br>>> On Fri, March 8, 2013 10:19 am, Jacqui= Smith wrote:<br> >> > Actually the converse is the case. It means that families<br>= >> (or couples)<br>>> > have to argue what to do with their = single vote on each issue -<br>>> > imagine what that's going = to do at the meetings!<br> >> ><br>>> > And don't say that they should sort it o= ut in advance... as<br>>> if that's<br>>> > going to hap= pen!<br>>><br>>> My marriage counselling rates are very reasona= ble and<br> >> preferably paid in good beer which I'll consume during the<br>= >> session at my offices (sometimes referred to as a pub).<br>>>= ; Any time family members argue how to use their vote at a<br>>> meet= ing they are required to subscribe to one of my sessions.<br> >> If the argument is at volume then I'll require everyone in<br>= >> ear shot to act as co-counsellors during the session,<br>>> = naturally they will also need to be paid in beer (or cider).<br>>><br= > >> I'm fairly sure we can get this voted into the club rules.<br>= ><br>> I think AGMs and committee meetings should be held in a family= friendly<br>> environment, a pulpit of ultimate decision, or PUB for sh= ort.<br> ><br>><br>><br>>><br>>> -- to unsubscribe notify mailt= o:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz">dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz</a> --= <br>>> -----<br>>> No virus found in this message.<br>>> = Checked by AVG - <a href=3D"http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</a><br> >> Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2641/6152 - Release<br>>= > Date: 03/06/13<br>>><br>> -----<br>> No virus found in thi= s message.<br>> Checked by AVG - <a href=3D"http://www.avg.com">www.avg.= com</a><br> > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2641/6152 - Release Date: 03/06= /13<br>><br>><br>> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href=3D"mail= to:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz">dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz</a> --<br>> --f46d043c7b96a4d99004d75e0b34-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |
| Subject | [dq-announce] Seagate Times - Articles still wanted |
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| From | phaeton@slingshot.co.nz |
| Date | Fri, 08 Mar 2013 23:02:03 +1300 |
We're still looking for stuff for the Seagate Times. A lead article on the current status of the drow invasion would be nice. Any scribe who hasn't yet sent in an adventure summary, please do so. No rumours have come in. Come on guys. Someone, somewhere must be doing something scandalous. A few more hot/nots would be nice too. And all these funny stories about your fellow adventures - the Times wants to know. Deadline in noon tomorrow. SGT Editors. -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-announce-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- | |