Subject[dq] Dice and minis for sale at DQ meeting
FromMenolly
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I am planning to bring some dice and some minis along to the Guild =
meeting today for sale. Individual dice are $2 each (I have a couple of =
sets as well) and minis are $2 (small) or $4 (large) each. Some =
character minis and some monster minis. All profit is going to =
BattleCry. I hope that's ok.

Regards,
Karen
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SubjectRe: [dq] Dice and minis for sale at DQ meeting
FromJonathan Bean
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Mighty fine.

Jono

On 9 March 2013 10:11, Menolly <menolly@es.co.nz> wrote:

> **
> I am planning to bring some dice and some minis along to the Guild meeting
> today for sale. Individual dice are $2 each (I have a couple of sets as
> well) and minis are $2 (small) or $4 (large) each. Some character minis and
> some monster minis. All profit is going to BattleCry. I hope that's ok.
>
> Regards,
> Karen
>



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Mighty fine.<div><br></div><div>Jono<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 9=
 March 2013 10:11, Menolly <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:menolly@=
es.co.nz" target=3D"_blank">menolly@es.co.nz</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
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c solid;padding-left:1ex">
<u></u>





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<div><font face=3D"Arial">I am planning to bring some dice=A0and some=20
minis along to the Guild meeting today for sale. Individual dice are $2 eac=
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have a couple of sets as well)=A0and minis are $2 (small)=A0or $4=20
(large)=A0each. Some character minis and some monster minis. All profit is=
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going to BattleCry.=A0I hope that&#39;s ok.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">Regards,</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">Karen</font></div></div>
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gards,</div><div><br>Jonathan Bean<div>39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn</div><div=
>P: +64 9 378 6635<br>M: +64 21 917 173<br>G:=A0<a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@=
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SubjectRe: [dq] Toeing the Party Line
FromJim Arona
DateSun, 10 Mar 2013 17:57:09 +1300
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Today at the God's Meeting, we discussed Racial Tax modifiers, a topic
which I have a view which is unsupported by the majority. I made it clear
the extent of my opposition, and that I will not be changing the way I
award experience. I have always understood this to be my right, and indeed,
I take it as an obligation to administer the game in a way that accords
with my own views. More to the point, this is a matter between me and my
players, and I can't see what anyone ekse could do about it if they didn't
like it.
In the past, where this has come up, Jono has said that I should withdraw
in varying degrees.
Now, I busy enough that there are lots of other things I could be doing
with my time, and running a game is a burden that adds to that load, as it
must to anyone who DMs. But, if there is a substantial group of people who
feel that they would prefer that I withdraw from DMing DQ, I am more than
willing to do so.
If this seems like an ultimatum, then I suppose that's because it is one.
To be clear, I DM the game in the way that seems reasonable to me. I use
the rules that make sense to me or I modify them until I get something I
think works. This is the way it has always been, as far as I am aware.
If, however, people align with Jono's view that I toe some party line,
well, then, respond with this advice to the list. I am happy not to DM DQ
entirely.

Jim

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<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">Today at the God&#39;s Meeting, we discus=
sed Racial Tax modifiers, a topic which I have a view which is unsupported =
by the majority. I made it clear the extent of my opposition, and that I wi=
ll not be changing the way I award experience. I have always understood thi=
s to be my right, and indeed, I take it as an obligation to administer the =
game in a way that accords with my own views. More to the point, this is a =
matter between me and my players, and I can&#39;t see what anyone ekse coul=
d do about it if they didn&#39;t like it.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">In the past, where this has come up, Jono=
 has said that I should withdraw in varying degrees. </font></div><div><fon=
t face=3D"georgia,serif">Now, I busy enough that there are lots of other th=
ings I could be doing with my time, and running a game is a burden that add=
s to that load, as it must to anyone who DMs. But, if there is a substantia=
l group of people who feel that they would prefer that I withdraw from DMin=
g DQ, I am more than willing to do so. </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">If this seems like an ultimatum, then I s=
uppose that&#39;s because it is one. To be clear, I DM the game in the way =
that seems reasonable to me. I use the rules that make sense to me=A0or I m=
odify them until I get something I think works. This is the way it has alwa=
ys been, as far as I am aware. </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Georgia">If, however, people align with Jono&#39;s view =
that I toe some party line, well, then, respond with this advice to the lis=
t. I am happy not to DM DQ entirely.</font></div><div><font face=3D"Georgia=
"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Georgia">Jim</font></div>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Toeing the Party Line
FromChris Caulfield
DateSun, 10 Mar 2013 18:12:11 +1300
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Jim,
Jono doesn't speak for the majority of GM's in any way shape or form but he
has his own opinion as do we all.

As GM's we have the freedom to do what we like within certain
constraints/rules (as you say applying those that make sense and not
applying those that don't - ala house rules) and if you choose to give ep
less racial tax them do so as it works for you and those you GM.

IMHO I don't want you to withdraw in any sense as you add to the rich
tapestry of the game as so so many others, I respect your GM'ing sytle,
ability and games and enjoy myself when I play.  Don't go over such
comments as we all have people/things/ideas/issues that annoy us but we
perservere.



On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:

> Today at the God's Meeting, we discussed Racial Tax modifiers, a topic
> which I have a view which is unsupported by the majority. I made it clear
> the extent of my opposition, and that I will not be changing the way I
> award experience. I have always understood this to be my right, and indeed,
> I take it as an obligation to administer the game in a way that accords
> with my own views. More to the point, this is a matter between me and my
> players, and I can't see what anyone ekse could do about it if they didn't
> like it.
> In the past, where this has come up, Jono has said that I should withdraw
> in varying degrees.
> Now, I busy enough that there are lots of other things I could be doing
> with my time, and running a game is a burden that adds to that load, as it
> must to anyone who DMs. But, if there is a substantial group of people who
> feel that they would prefer that I withdraw from DMing DQ, I am more than
> willing to do so.
> If this seems like an ultimatum, then I suppose that's because it is one.
> To be clear, I DM the game in the way that seems reasonable to me. I use
> the rules that make sense to me or I modify them until I get something I
> think works. This is the way it has always been, as far as I am aware.
> If, however, people align with Jono's view that I toe some party line,
> well, then, respond with this advice to the list. I am happy not to DM DQ
> entirely.
>
> Jim
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Jim,<br></div>Jono doesn&#39;t speak for th=
e majority of GM&#39;s in any way shape or form but he has his own opinion =
as do we all.<br></div><br>As GM&#39;s we have the freedom to do what we li=
ke within certain constraints/rules (as you say applying those that make se=
nse and not applying those that don&#39;t - ala house rules) and if you cho=
ose to give ep less racial tax them do so as it works for you and those you=
 GM.<br>
<br></div>IMHO I don&#39;t want you to withdraw in any sense as you add to =
the rich tapestry of the game as so so many others, I respect your GM&#39;i=
ng sytle, ability and games and enjoy myself when I play.=A0 Don&#39;t go o=
ver such comments as we all have people/things/ideas/issues that annoy us b=
ut we perservere.<br>
<div><div><br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jim Arona <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jim.arona=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">Today at t=
he God&#39;s Meeting, we discussed Racial Tax modifiers, a topic which I ha=
ve a view which is unsupported by the majority. I made it clear the extent =
of my opposition, and that I will not be changing the way I award experienc=
e. I have always understood this to be my right, and indeed, I take it as a=
n obligation to administer the game in a way that accords with my own views=
. More to the point, this is a matter between me and my players, and I can&=
#39;t see what anyone ekse could do about it if they didn&#39;t like it.</f=
ont></div>

<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">In the past, where this has come up, Jono=
 has said that I should withdraw in varying degrees. </font></div><div><fon=
t face=3D"georgia,serif">Now, I busy enough that there are lots of other th=
ings I could be doing with my time, and running a game is a burden that add=
s to that load, as it must to anyone who DMs. But, if there is a substantia=
l group of people who feel that they would prefer that I withdraw from DMin=
g DQ, I am more than willing to do so. </font></div>

<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">If this seems like an ultimatum, then I s=
uppose that&#39;s because it is one. To be clear, I DM the game in the way =
that seems reasonable to me. I use the rules that make sense to me=A0or I m=
odify them until I get something I think works. This is the way it has alwa=
ys been, as far as I am aware. </font></div>

<div><font face=3D"Georgia">If, however, people align with Jono&#39;s view =
that I toe some party line, well, then, respond with this advice to the lis=
t. I am happy not to DM DQ entirely.</font></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><fo=
nt color=3D"#888888"><div>
<font face=3D"Georgia"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Georgia">Jim</font></div>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Toeing the Party Line
FromIan Wood
DateSun, 10 Mar 2013 20:17:39 +1300
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Excellent,
 
Fast and Loose works for me.
The corrollary of each person being able to GM as they wish is that no one
has power of veto or compulsion. 
No one however has the right to stop a discussion or to stop a vote.
 
We can seek concensus or advice, and just as we cannot dictate to others so
they cannot dictate to me. Yay!
 
As Jim points out I have the right as GM to award EP as I believe
reasonable, and to advise my players of my criteria.
And play test Whirlwind Vortex as i think is workable.
To develop and play test new rules ideas, advising players of the in-house
rules, and maximising the fun.
 
And to create societies and worlds that meet my ideas of fantasy, and not be
told what is reasonable in this or any other genre.
A society that has more than humans, short humans, squat humans, humans with
spock ears and very large humans. 
And more arcane lore (weird stuff not explained by the seven arts, aka
magic) than the europeans/americans/africans/japenese who lived in 1300
thought there was.
 
And give human PCs reasons to stay human rather than gain abilities normally
associated with other races.
And give PCs of other races reasons to stay non-human rather than gain
abilities associated with humans.
 
Non-human PCs that gain a racial modifier of 1.0 will get a new GTN with
'Er-' in front of their normal GTN, as has happened already to one elf and
one giant (Racial Modifiers of 1.0 and GTN of Er-Elf and Er-Giant
respectively.) Isil Eth would rather keep an RM of 1.2 than pollute her GTN.
 
Bottom line is that people enjoy my games, and i will play games i enjoy.
 
Ian
 


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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Chris Caulfield
Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2013 18:12
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Toeing the Party Line


Jim,

Jono doesn't speak for the majority of GM's in any way shape or form but he
has his own opinion as do we all.


As GM's we have the freedom to do what we like within certain
constraints/rules (as you say applying those that make sense and not
applying those that don't - ala house rules) and if you choose to give ep
less racial tax them do so as it works for you and those you GM.


IMHO I don't want you to withdraw in any sense as you add to the rich
tapestry of the game as so so many others, I respect your GM'ing sytle,
ability and games and enjoy myself when I play.  Don't go over such comments
as we all have people/things/ideas/issues that annoy us but we perservere.




On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:


Today at the God's Meeting, we discussed Racial Tax modifiers, a topic which
I have a view which is unsupported by the majority. I made it clear the
extent of my opposition, and that I will not be changing the way I award
experience. I have always understood this to be my right, and indeed, I take
it as an obligation to administer the game in a way that accords with my own
views. More to the point, this is a matter between me and my players, and I
can't see what anyone ekse could do about it if they didn't like it.
In the past, where this has come up, Jono has said that I should withdraw in
varying degrees. 
Now, I busy enough that there are lots of other things I could be doing with
my time, and running a game is a burden that adds to that load, as it must
to anyone who DMs. But, if there is a substantial group of people who feel
that they would prefer that I withdraw from DMing DQ, I am more than willing
to do so. 
If this seems like an ultimatum, then I suppose that's because it is one. To
be clear, I DM the game in the way that seems reasonable to me. I use the
rules that make sense to me or I modify them until I get something I think
works. This is the way it has always been, as far as I am aware. 
If, however, people align with Jono's view that I toe some party line, well,
then, respond with this advice to the list. I am happy not to DM DQ
entirely.

 
Jim


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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
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size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>Fast and Loose works for me.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>The corrollary of each person being able to GM as =
they wish is=20
that no one has power of veto or compulsion. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>No one however has the right to stop a discussion =
or to stop a=20
vote.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D593022506-10032013></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>We can seek concensus or advice, and just =
as&nbsp;we cannot=20
dictate to others so they cannot dictate to me. Yay!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D593022506-10032013></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>As Jim points out I have the right&nbsp;as GM to=20
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>award EP as I believe reasonable, and to advise my players =
of my=20
criteria.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>And play test&nbsp;Whirlwind Vortex as i think is=20
workable.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>To develop and play test new rules ideas, advising =
players of=20
the in-house rules, and maximising the fun.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>And to create societies and worlds that meet my =
ideas of=20
fantasy, and not be told what is reasonable in this or any other=20
genre.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>A society that has more than humans, short humans, =
squat=20
humans, humans with spock ears and very large humans. =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>And more arcane lore (weird stuff not explained by =
the seven=20
arts, aka magic) than the europeans/americans/africans/japenese who =
lived=20
in&nbsp;1300 thought there was.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN=20
class=3D593022506-10032013></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>And give human PCs&nbsp;reasons to stay human =
rather than gain=20
abilities normally associated with other races.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>And give PCs of other races reasons to stay =
non-human rather=20
than gain abilities associated with humans.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D593022506-10032013></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>Non-human PCs that&nbsp;gain a racial modifier of =
1.0=20
will&nbsp;get a new&nbsp;GTN with 'Er-' in front of their =
normal&nbsp;GTN, as=20
has happened already to one&nbsp;elf and one giant (Racial Modifiers of =
1.0 and=20
GTN of Er-Elf and Er-Giant respectively.) Isil Eth would rather keep an =
RM of=20
1.2 than pollute her GTN.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>Bottom line is that people enjoy my games, and i =
will play=20
games i enjoy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D593022506-10032013><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><B>From:</B> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=20
  [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Chris=20
  Caulfield<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, 10 March 2013 18:12<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  dq@dq.sf.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [dq] Toeing the Party=20
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  <DIV>
  <DIV>Jim,<BR></DIV>Jono doesn't speak for the majority of GM's in any =
way=20
  shape or form but he has his own opinion as do we all.<BR></DIV><BR>As =
GM's we=20
  have the freedom to do what we like within certain constraints/rules =
(as you=20
  say applying those that make sense and not applying those that don't - =
ala=20
  house rules) and if you choose to give ep less racial tax them do so =
as it=20
  works for you and those you GM.<BR><BR></DIV>IMHO I don't want you to =
withdraw=20
  in any sense as you add to the rich tapestry of the game as so so many =
others,=20
  I respect your GM'ing sytle, ability and games and enjoy myself when I =

  play.&nbsp; Don't go over such comments as we all have=20
  people/things/ideas/issues that annoy us but we perservere.<BR>
  <DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_extra><BR><BR>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jim Arona =
<SPAN=20
  dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com"=20
  target=3D_blank>jim.arona@gmail.com</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3Dgeorgia,serif>Today at the God's Meeting, we =
discussed=20
    Racial Tax modifiers, a topic which I have a view which is =
unsupported by=20
    the majority. I made it clear the extent of my opposition, and that =
I will=20
    not be changing the way I award experience. I have always understood =
this to=20
    be my right, and indeed, I take it as an obligation to administer =
the game=20
    in a way that accords with my own views. More to the point, this is =
a matter=20
    between me and my players, and I can't see what anyone ekse could do =
about=20
    it if they didn't like it.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3Dgeorgia,serif>In the past, where this has come up, =
Jono has=20
    said that I should withdraw in varying degrees. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3Dgeorgia,serif>Now, I busy enough that there are =
lots of=20
    other things I could be doing with my time, and running a game is a =
burden=20
    that adds to that load, as it must to anyone who DMs. But, if there =
is a=20
    substantial group of people who feel that they would prefer that I =
withdraw=20
    from DMing DQ, I am more than willing to do so. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3Dgeorgia,serif>If this seems like an ultimatum, =
then I=20
    suppose that's because it is one. To be clear, I DM the game in the =
way that=20
    seems reasonable to me. I use the rules that make sense to =
me&nbsp;or I=20
    modify them until I get something I think works. This is the way it =
has=20
    always been, as far as I am aware. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia>If, however, people align with Jono's view =
that I=20
    toe some party line, well, then, respond with this advice to the =
list. I am=20
    happy not to DM DQ entirely.</FONT></DIV><SPAN class=3DHOEnZb><FONT=20
    color=3D#888888>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT=20
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DateSun, 10 Mar 2013 21:03:49 +1300
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e:

> Jim,
> Jono doesn't speak for the majority of GM's in any way shape or form but
> he has his own opinion as do we all.
> ...
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Today at the God's Meeting, we discussed Racial Tax modifiers, a topic
>> which I have a view which is unsupported by the majority. I made it clea=
r
>> the extent of my opposition, and that I will not be changing the way I
>> award experience...
>>
>
Perhaps someone could explain this dispute to a GM who wasn't present?

As I understand the current rules and situation players are awarded _raw_
EP after adventures and then instructed (per section 1.2 of the 2010 rules)
to: "Divide any experience points a character gains by the =93racial
modifier=94 and then spend the result normally." And this is the way it has
always been. The only change we've made since DQ 2nd edition in this area
is that we went from multiplying all costs to dividing the total. (Original
rules in DQ 2nd Ed section 6.3).

The awarding of EP is largely, as Jim said, a "matter between me and my
players" -- and any GM can calculate EP by a variant algorithm should they
so desire (provided that it remains within expected norms) -- but the
spending of the EP is done outside of any one GM's game, is a general
multi-GM campaign matter, and the multipliers in section 1.2 of the rules
have no effect on raw EP.

(While the GM's Guide -- under Awards and Character Growth -- gives a
standard method of computing EP I understood that it was generally agreed
that the introductory instruction that: "GMs are expected to carefully
consider the rewards guidelines and keep within campaign norms" was more
important than exact method used).

If the multipliers in 1.2 are changed by rules voting, and a single GM
thereafter modified how they awarded EP based on character race,well no,
nothing could be done to prevent a GM awarding in this fashion (short of
drastic measures that the GMs as a whole have been loath to do
historically). However a player receiving such a modified short measure EP
award would, I believe, have grounds for complaint and redress from the
tribunal (player's guide: Character and Grievance Tribunals).

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br>On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Chris Caulfield =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chriscaulf@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">chriscaulf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div cla=
ss=3D"im"><div><div><div>Jim,<br></div>Jono doesn&#39;t speak for the major=
ity of GM&#39;s in any way shape or form but he has his own opinion as do w=
e all.<br>



</div></div></div>...<br></div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:57 PM, =
Jim Arona <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>




</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><font face=3D"=
georgia,serif">Today
 at the God&#39;s Meeting, we discussed Racial Tax modifiers, a topic which=
 I
 have a view which is unsupported by the majority. I made it clear the=20
extent of my opposition, and that I will not be changing the way I award
 experience...</font><br>


</div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div=
>Perhaps someone could explain this dispute to a GM who wasn&#39;t present?=
<br><br>As I understand the current rules and situation players are awarded=
=20
_raw_ EP after adventures and then instructed (per section 1.2 of the 2010
 rules) to: &quot;Divide any experience points a character gains by the=20
=93racial modifier=94 and then spend the result normally.&quot; And this is=
 the way it has always been. The only change we&#39;ve made=20
since DQ 2nd edition in this area is that we went from multiplying all=20
costs to dividing the total. (Original rules in DQ 2nd Ed section 6.3).<br>


<br></div><div>

</div>The awarding of EP is largely, as Jim said, a &quot;matter=20
between me and my players&quot; -- and any GM can calculate EP by
 a variant algorithm should they so desire (provided that it remains=20
within expected norms) -- but the spending of the EP is done outside=20
of any one GM&#39;s game, is a general multi-GM campaign matter, and the mu=
ltipliers in section 1.2 of the rules have no effect on=20
raw EP.<br><br></div>(While the GM&#39;s Guide -- under Awards and Characte=
r Growth -- gives a standard method of computing EP I understood that it wa=
s generally agreed
 that the introductory instruction that: &quot;GMs are expected to carefull=
y=20
consider the rewards guidelines and keep within campaign norms&quot; was mo=
re
 important than exact method used).<div>

<br>If the multipliers in 1.2 are changed by rules voting, and a single GM =
thereafter modified
 how they awarded EP based on character race,well no, nothing could be=20
done to prevent a GM awarding in this fashion (short of drastic measures
 that the GMs as a whole have been loath to do historically). However a=20
player receiving such a modified short measure EP award would, I=20
believe, have grounds for complaint and redress from the tribunal=20
(player&#39;s guide: Character and Grievance Tribunals).<br></div></div>

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On 10 March 2013 17:57, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:

> Today at the God's Meeting, we discussed Racial Tax modifiers, a topic
> which I have a view which is unsupported by the majority. I made it clear
> the extent of my opposition, and that I will not be changing the way I
> award experience. I have always understood this to be my right, and indeed,
> I take it as an obligation to administer the game in a way that accords
> with my own views. More to the point, this is a matter between me and my
> players, and I can't see what anyone ekse could do about it if they didn't
> like it.
>


> In the past, where this has come up, Jono has said that I should withdraw
> in varying degrees.
>

You are taking what I said today out of context Jim. I was making the point
that if you feel you should not or could not be bound by a majority of GMs
views/vote on an issue and intend to do your own thing regardless, I feel
GMs should not vote on it, since you are in no way going to be bound by the
vote. That is all. I did not ask or tell you to stop running any game and
don't care for you implying that I did.

So get off your high horse you pompous git.


If this seems like an ultimatum, then I suppose that's because it is one.
> To be clear, I DM the game in the way that seems reasonable to me. I use
> the rules that make sense to me or I modify them until I get something I
> think works. This is the way it has always been, as far as I am aware.
>


>  If, however, people align with Jono's view that I toe some party line,
> well, then, respond with this advice to the list. I am happy not to DM DQ
> entirely.
>

-- 
Kind regards,

Jonathan Bean
39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn
P: +64 9 378 6635
M: +64 21 917 173
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 10 March 2013 17:57, Jim Arona <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ji=
m.arona@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">Today at the God&#39;s Meeting, we discus=
sed Racial Tax modifiers, a topic which I have a view which is unsupported =
by the majority. I made it clear the extent of my opposition, and that I wi=
ll not be changing the way I award experience. I have always understood thi=
s to be my right, and indeed, I take it as an obligation to administer the =
game in a way that accords with my own views. More to the point, this is a =
matter between me and my players, and I can&#39;t see what anyone ekse coul=
d do about it if they didn&#39;t like it.</font></div>
</blockquote><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">In the past, where this has come up, Jono=
 has said that I should withdraw in varying degrees.</font></div></blockquo=
te><div><br></div><div>You are taking what I said today out of context Jim.=
 I was making the point that if you feel you should not or could not be bou=
nd by a majority of GMs views/vote on an issue and intend to do your own th=
ing regardless, I feel GMs should not vote on it, since you are in no way g=
oing to be bound by the vote. That is all. I did not ask or tell you to sto=
p running any game and don&#39;t care for you=A0implying=A0that I did.=A0</=
div>
<div><br></div><div>So get off your high horse you pompous git.</div><div><=
br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><font face=3D"g=
eorgia,serif">If this seems like an ultimatum, then I suppose that&#39;s be=
cause it is one. To be clear, I DM the game in the way that seems reasonabl=
e to me. I use the rules that make sense to me=A0or I modify them until I g=
et something I think works. This is the way it has always been, as far as I=
 am aware.</font></div>
</blockquote><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><font face=
=3D"georgia,serif"> </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Georgia">If, however, people align with Jono&#39;s view =
that I toe some party line, well, then, respond with this advice to the lis=
t. I am happy not to DM DQ entirely.</font></div></blockquote><div>=A0</div=
>
</div>-- <br><div>Kind regards,</div><div><br>Jonathan Bean<div>39 Sackvill=
e St, Grey Lynn</div><div>P: +64 9 378 6635<br>M: +64 21 917 173<br>G:=A0<a=
 href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.com</a=
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FromJim Arona
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In the Gods Meeting, by majority vote of those attending, the rule was
changed so that there is now a mechanic to reduce and eventually remove
entirely the Racial Tax system.
Three of us are opposed to this change, two abstained, the rest voted for
it.

On 10 March 2013 21:03, Martin Dickson <martin.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Chris Caulfield <chriscaulf@gmail.com>wr=
ote:
>
>> Jim,
>> Jono doesn't speak for the majority of GM's in any way shape or form but
>> he has his own opinion as do we all.
>> ...
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Today at the God's Meeting, we discussed Racial Tax modifiers, a topic
>>> which I have a view which is unsupported by the majority. I made it cle=
ar
>>> the extent of my opposition, and that I will not be changing the way I
>>> award experience...
>>>
>>
> Perhaps someone could explain this dispute to a GM who wasn't present?
>
> As I understand the current rules and situation players are awarded _raw_
> EP after adventures and then instructed (per section 1.2 of the 2010 rule=
s)
> to: "Divide any experience points a character gains by the =93racial
> modifier=94 and then spend the result normally." And this is the way it h=
as
> always been. The only change we've made since DQ 2nd edition in this area
> is that we went from multiplying all costs to dividing the total. (Origin=
al
> rules in DQ 2nd Ed section 6.3).
>
> The awarding of EP is largely, as Jim said, a "matter between me and my
> players" -- and any GM can calculate EP by a variant algorithm should the=
y
> so desire (provided that it remains within expected norms) -- but the
> spending of the EP is done outside of any one GM's game, is a general
> multi-GM campaign matter, and the multipliers in section 1.2 of the rules
> have no effect on raw EP.
>
> (While the GM's Guide -- under Awards and Character Growth -- gives a
> standard method of computing EP I understood that it was generally agreed
> that the introductory instruction that: "GMs are expected to carefully
> consider the rewards guidelines and keep within campaign norms" was more
> important than exact method used).
>
> If the multipliers in 1.2 are changed by rules voting, and a single GM
> thereafter modified how they awarded EP based on character race,well no,
> nothing could be done to prevent a GM awarding in this fashion (short of
> drastic measures that the GMs as a whole have been loath to do
> historically). However a player receiving such a modified short measure E=
P
> award would, I believe, have grounds for complaint and redress from the
> tribunal (player's guide: Character and Grievance Tribunals).
>

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<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">In the Gods Meeting, by majority vote of =
those attending, the rule was changed so that there is now a mechanic to re=
duce and eventually remove entirely the Racial Tax system.</font></div><div=
>
<font face=3D"georgia,serif">Three of us are opposed to this change, two ab=
stained, the rest voted for it.<br></font><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On 10 March 2013 21:03, Martin Dickson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:martin.dickson@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">martin.dickson@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"im"><br>On Sun, Mar 10=
, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Chris Caulfield <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
chriscaulf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">chriscaulf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br>


</div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border=
-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"=
 class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"im"><div><div><div><d=
iv>
Jim,<br></div>Jono doesn&#39;t speak for the majority of GM&#39;s in any wa=
y shape or form but he has his own opinion as do we all.<br>



</div></div></div></div>...<br></div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im"><div>On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 a=
t 5:57 PM, Jim Arona <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>





</div></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;=
border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:=
solid" class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">Today
 at the God&#39;s Meeting, we discussed Racial Tax modifiers, a topic which=
 I
 have a view which is unsupported by the majority. I made it clear the=20
extent of my opposition, and that I will not be changing the way I award
 experience...</font><br>


</div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div=
>Perhaps someone could explain this dispute to a GM who wasn&#39;t present?=
<br><br>As I understand the current rules and situation players are awarded=
=20
_raw_ EP after adventures and then instructed (per section 1.2 of the 2010
 rules) to: &quot;Divide any experience points a character gains by the=20
=93racial modifier=94 and then spend the result normally.&quot; And this is=
 the way it has always been. The only change we&#39;ve made=20
since DQ 2nd edition in this area is that we went from multiplying all=20
costs to dividing the total. (Original rules in DQ 2nd Ed section 6.3).<br>


<br></div><div>

</div>The awarding of EP is largely, as Jim said, a &quot;matter=20
between me and my players&quot; -- and any GM can calculate EP by
 a variant algorithm should they so desire (provided that it remains=20
within expected norms) -- but the spending of the EP is done outside=20
of any one GM&#39;s game, is a general multi-GM campaign matter, and the mu=
ltipliers in section 1.2 of the rules have no effect on=20
raw EP.<br><br></div>(While the GM&#39;s Guide -- under Awards and Characte=
r Growth -- gives a standard method of computing EP I understood that it wa=
s generally agreed
 that the introductory instruction that: &quot;GMs are expected to carefull=
y=20
consider the rewards guidelines and keep within campaign norms&quot; was mo=
re
 important than exact method used).<div>

<br>If the multipliers in 1.2 are changed by rules voting, and a single GM =
thereafter modified
 how they awarded EP based on character race,well no, nothing could be=20
done to prevent a GM awarding in this fashion (short of drastic measures
 that the GMs as a whole have been loath to do historically). However a=20
player receiving such a modified short measure EP award would, I=20
believe, have grounds for complaint and redress from the tribunal=20
(player&#39;s guide: Character and Grievance Tribunals).<br></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br>

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FromJim Arona
DateSun, 10 Mar 2013 21:34:03 +1300
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I see no reason why
1) I should not be involved in every part of the DQ world that I choose to
take part in.
2) I should not vehemently oppose a decision I believe to be for the
detriment of the game, whether or not I accept a vote on the matter.
3) you believe you have the right to make such a demand of me.



On 10 March 2013 21:27, Jonathan Bean <jonobean@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 10 March 2013 17:57, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Today at the God's Meeting, we discussed Racial Tax modifiers, a topic
>> which I have a view which is unsupported by the majority. I made it clear
>> the extent of my opposition, and that I will not be changing the way I
>> award experience. I have always understood this to be my right, and indeed,
>> I take it as an obligation to administer the game in a way that accords
>> with my own views. More to the point, this is a matter between me and my
>> players, and I can't see what anyone ekse could do about it if they didn't
>> like it.
>>
>
>
>> In the past, where this has come up, Jono has said that I should withdraw
>> in varying degrees.
>>
>
> You are taking what I said today out of context Jim. I was making the
> point that if you feel you should not or could not be bound by a majority
> of GMs views/vote on an issue and intend to do your own thing regardless, I
> feel GMs should not vote on it, since you are in no way going to be bound
> by the vote. That is all. I did not ask or tell you to stop running any
> game and don't care for you implying that I did.
>
> So get off your high horse you pompous git.
>
>
> If this seems like an ultimatum, then I suppose that's because it is one.
>> To be clear, I DM the game in the way that seems reasonable to me. I use
>> the rules that make sense to me or I modify them until I get something I
>> think works. This is the way it has always been, as far as I am aware.
>>
>
>
>>  If, however, people align with Jono's view that I toe some party line,
>> well, then, respond with this advice to the list. I am happy not to DM DQ
>> entirely.
>>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
>
> Jonathan Bean
> 39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn
> P: +64 9 378 6635
> M: +64 21 917 173
> G: jonobean@gmail.com
>

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<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">I see no reason why</font></div><div><fon=
t face=3D"georgia,serif">1) I should not be involved in every part of the D=
Q world that I choose to take part in.</font></div><div><font face=3D"Georg=
ia">2)=A0I should not vehemently oppose a decision I believe to be for the =
detriment of the game, whether or not I accept a vote on the matter.</font>=
</div>
<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">3) you believe you have the right to make=
 such a demand of me. </font></div><div><font face=3D"georgia,serif"><br></=
font><br>=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 10 March 2013 21:27, Jonath=
an Bean <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On 10=
 March 2013 17:57, Jim Arona <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jim.ar=
ona@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=
=3D"gmail_quote">
<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">Today at the God&#39;s Meeting, we discus=
sed Racial Tax modifiers, a topic which I have a view which is unsupported =
by the majority. I made it clear the extent of my opposition, and that I wi=
ll not be changing the way I award experience. I have always understood thi=
s to be my right, and indeed, I take it as an obligation to administer the =
game in a way that accords with my own views. More to the point, this is a =
matter between me and my players, and I can&#39;t see what anyone ekse coul=
d do about it if they didn&#39;t like it.</font></div>

</blockquote><div>=A0</div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;pa=
dding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;bor=
der-left-style:solid" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">In the past, where this has come up, Jono=
 has said that I should withdraw in varying degrees.</font></div></blockquo=
te><div><br></div></div><div>You are taking what I said today out of contex=
t Jim. I was making the point that if you feel you should not or could not =
be bound by a majority of GMs views/vote on an issue and intend to do your =
own thing regardless, I feel GMs should not vote on it, since you are in no=
 way going to be bound by the vote. That is all. I did not ask or tell you =
to stop running any game and don&#39;t care for you=A0implying=A0that I did=
.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>So get off your high horse you pompous git.</div><div c=
lass=3D"im"><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-lef=
t-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div><font face=3D"georgia,serif">If this seems like an ultimatum, then I s=
uppose that&#39;s because it is one. To be clear, I DM the game in the way =
that seems reasonable to me. I use the rules that make sense to me=A0or I m=
odify them until I get something I think works. This is the way it has alwa=
ys been, as far as I am aware.</font></div>

</blockquote><div>=A0</div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;pa=
dding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;bor=
der-left-style:solid" class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><font face=3D"georgia,seri=
f"> </font></div>

<div><font face=3D"Georgia">If, however, people align with Jono&#39;s view =
that I toe some party line, well, then, respond with this advice to the lis=
t. I am happy not to DM DQ entirely.</font></div></blockquote><div>=A0</div=
>

</div></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">-- <br><div>Kind=
 regards,</div><div><br>Jonathan Bean<div>39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn</div><=
div>P: <a href=3D"tel:%2B64%209%20378%206635" target=3D"_blank" value=3D"+6=
493786635">+64 9 378 6635</a><br>
M: <a href=3D"tel:%2B64%2021%20917%20173" target=3D"_blank" value=3D"+64219=
17173">+64 21 917 173</a><br>G:=A0<a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.com</a></div>
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