Subject | Re: [dq] Greater Enchantment |
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From | Julia McSpadden |
Date | Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:21:19 +1200 |
Low level parties just often can't afford. When you are still saving to buy 30- 60k spells and only getting low level treasure 10k on a GE is too expensive On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: > GE is okay. It's a bit on the uninteresting side, but I can live with it. > The reason I can live with it is that permanent ones are no longer available > except under special circumstances > > On Sep 5, 2013 11:51 AM, "Stephen Martin" <stephenm@aklnz.net> wrote: >> >> It being a few years since it was changed I thought it might be time to >> review the new version. >> >> The main goals of the previous edit were: >> 1. To have less characters wandering around with +21 on everything. >> 2. To make it more beneficial to have an E&E with GE in your party (i.e. >> more of a party buff >> than a pre-game money sink). >> >> Many High+ level characters have managed to acquire permanent old style >> +20 on everything >> Greaters and those that haven't presumably have it on their list. Whatever >> we have done or do >> with GE probably won't have much impact on them so let's ignore them for >> this discussion. >> >> If you don't have an E&E in the party, +15 to 21 on one area for one >> season can be acquired >> from PC E&Es fairly cheaply and easily. >> I haven't seen much sign of this being done. Are PCs doing this? What are >> they getting it on? >> Are many PCs below High level paying the material cost for extra or full >> coverage? >> >> Is the material cost too expensive or about right (12,000 for +21 on >> everything for one season)? >> >> >> When there is an E&E with ranked GE in the party, I have seen it being >> used extensively but >> with frequent arguments and/or confusion over what areas it is on. >> I think what it affects needs to be broadened. A few options: >> a) It affects everything for a day for all those within 10' of the caster >> at time of casting. >> - Very simple. >> b) As per a) but with lesser effect e.g. 5% +1% per 2 full ranks. - Simple >> again but less >> powerful. >> c) Additional areas at higher ranks - every 4 ranks you can add one area >> instead of an >> additional target or day. - No better at low ranks and more powerful at >> higher ranks. >> >> >> Could I get your GM/Player Opinions/perceptions on this please. >> >> Thanks, Stephen. >> >> >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- |
Subject | Re: [dq] New DQ Map feedback |
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From | Julia McSpadden |
Date | Fri, 6 Sep 2013 11:51:49 +1200 |
--001a1133b8fc094ebb04e5ab9b20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133b8fc094eb904e5ab9b1f --001a1133b8fc094eb904e5ab9b1f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Just wondering if there is a version with the status of the Drow invasion as at the beginning of the season? Ie fallen - contested - frontline... Jules On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jonathan Bean <jonobean@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I and Kelsie with the assistance and feedback of others have reached a > point where I now seek general feedback regarding the new Western Alusia > map. The map is a layered PDF document - which means that some information > is hidden out of sight and can be viewed on other layers - a handy thing to > reduce clutter. > > The Western Alusia Map<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B12BfjlQDqeMcEl2ZU5lcGw4SkE/edit?usp=sharing>is currently hosted on an open link on Google Docs (no sign in required). > > You can view it online within Google docs PDF viewer but can not select > layers. > If you select download as a PDF file, if you open it with Acrobat Ready > you are able to select layer tool on the left - marked by the yellow arrow > on the image below. > > [image: Inline images 2] > > Once open you can see the layers with their names and content - such as > Dwarf strongholds, GMs, Trade Goods, Trade routes, etc > > I am seeking any feedback about any questions or errors. > I am aiming to include a printed copy with the SGT at the guild meeting. > > This is the link to the Western Alusia map<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B12BfjlQDqeMcEl2ZU5lcGw4SkE/edit?usp=sharing> > . > > > -- > Kind regards, > > Jonathan Bean > 39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn > P: +64 9 378 6635 > M: +64 21 917 173 > G: jonobean@gmail.com > --001a1133b8fc094eb904e5ab9b1f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div>Hi </div> <div>Just wondering if there is a version with the status of the Drow invas= ion as at the beginning of the season?</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>Ie fallen - contested - frontline...<br></div> <div>Jules<br></div> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jonathan Bean = <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan= k">jonobean@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA= DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,=20 <div><br></div> <div>I and Kelsie with the assistance and feedback of others have reached a= point where I now seek general feedback regarding the new Western Alusia m= ap. The map is a layered PDF document - which means that some information i= s hidden out of sight and can be viewed on other layers - a handy thing to = reduce clutter.=A0</div> <div><br></div> <div>The <a href=3D"https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B12BfjlQDqeMcEl2ZU5lcGw= 4SkE/edit?usp=3Dsharing" target=3D"_blank">Western Alusia Map</a> is curren= tly hosted on an open link on Google Docs (no sign in required).</div> <div><br></div> <div>You can view it online within Google docs PDF viewer but can not selec= t layers.</div> <div>If you select download as a PDF file, if you open it with Acrobat Read= y you are able to select layer tool on the left - marked by the yellow arro= w on the image below.</div> <div>=A0<br clear=3D"all"> <div><img alt=3D"Inline images 2" src=3D"cid:ii_140bcfe7643064e4" width=3D"= 41" height=3D"96"><br></div> <div><br></div> <div>Once open you can see the layers with their names and content - such a= s Dwarf strongholds, GMs, Trade Goods, Trade routes, etc</div> 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Subject | Re: [dq] Greater Enchantment |
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From | Jim Arona |
Date | Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:20:57 +1200 |
--047d7b5dba683b63d504e5ac0393 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Affordability is a function of adventurer income. The cost of enchantments is less than it used to be as a direct result of the change to GE, and if the complaint is that they are too expensive, then either player expectation has changed or treasure awards have diminished. On Sep 6, 2013 10:22 AM, "Julia McSpadden" <juliamcspadden@gmail.com> wrote: > Low level parties just often can't afford. > > When you are still saving to buy 30- 60k spells and only getting low > level treasure > > 10k on a GE is too expensive > > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: > > GE is okay. It's a bit on the uninteresting side, but I can live with it. > > The reason I can live with it is that permanent ones are no longer > available > > except under special circumstances > > > > On Sep 5, 2013 11:51 AM, "Stephen Martin" <stephenm@aklnz.net> wrote: > >> > >> It being a few years since it was changed I thought it might be time to > >> review the new version. > >> > >> The main goals of the previous edit were: > >> 1. To have less characters wandering around with +21 on everything. > >> 2. To make it more beneficial to have an E&E with GE in your party (i.e. > >> more of a party buff > >> than a pre-game money sink). > >> > >> Many High+ level characters have managed to acquire permanent old style > >> +20 on everything > >> Greaters and those that haven't presumably have it on their list. > Whatever > >> we have done or do > >> with GE probably won't have much impact on them so let's ignore them for > >> this discussion. > >> > >> If you don't have an E&E in the party, +15 to 21 on one area for one > >> season can be acquired > >> from PC E&Es fairly cheaply and easily. > >> I haven't seen much sign of this being done. Are PCs doing this? What > are > >> they getting it on? > >> Are many PCs below High level paying the material cost for extra or full > >> coverage? > >> > >> Is the material cost too expensive or about right (12,000 for +21 on > >> everything for one season)? > >> > >> > >> When there is an E&E with ranked GE in the party, I have seen it being > >> used extensively but > >> with frequent arguments and/or confusion over what areas it is on. > >> I think what it affects needs to be broadened. A few options: > >> a) It affects everything for a day for all those within 10' of the > caster > >> at time of casting. > >> - Very simple. > >> b) As per a) but with lesser effect e.g. 5% +1% per 2 full ranks. - > Simple > >> again but less > >> powerful. > >> c) Additional areas at higher ranks - every 4 ranks you can add one area > >> instead of an > >> additional target or day. - No better at low ranks and more powerful at > >> higher ranks. > >> > >> > >> Could I get your GM/Player Opinions/perceptions on this please. > >> > >> Thanks, Stephen. > >> > >> > >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > --047d7b5dba683b63d504e5ac0393 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <p>Affordability is a function of adventurer income. The cost of enchantmen= ts is less than it used to be as a direct result of the change to GE, and i= f the complaint is that they are too expensive, then either player expectat= ion has changed or treasure awards have diminished.<br> </p> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sep 6, 2013 10:22 AM, "Julia McSpadden&q= uot; <<a href=3D"mailto:juliamcspadden@gmail.com">juliamcspadden@gmail.c= om</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"= style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Low level parties just often can't afford.<br> <br> When you are still saving to buy 30- 60k spells and only getting low<br> level treasure<br> <br> 10k on a GE is too expensive<br> <br> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Jim Arona <<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@g= mail.com">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > GE is okay. It's a bit on the uninteresting side, but I can live w= ith it.<br> > The reason I can live with it is that permanent ones are no longer ava= ilable<br> > except under special circumstances<br> ><br> > On Sep 5, 2013 11:51 AM, "Stephen Martin" <<a href=3D"mai= lto:stephenm@aklnz.net">stephenm@aklnz.net</a>> wrote:<br> >><br> >> It being a few years since it was changed I thought it might be ti= me to<br> >> review the new version.<br> >><br> >> The main goals of the previous edit were:<br> >> 1. To have less characters wandering around with +21 on everything= .<br> >> 2. To make it more beneficial to have an E&E with GE in your p= arty (i.e.<br> >> more of a party buff<br> >> than a pre-game money sink).<br> >><br> >> Many High+ level characters have managed to acquire permanent old = style<br> >> +20 on everything<br> >> Greaters and those that haven't presumably have it on their li= st. Whatever<br> >> we have done or do<br> >> with GE probably won't have much impact on them so let's i= gnore them for<br> >> this discussion.<br> >><br> >> If you don't have an E&E in the party, +15 to 21 on one ar= ea for one<br> >> season can be acquired<br> >> from PC E&Es fairly cheaply and easily.<br> >> I haven't seen much sign of this being done. Are PCs doing thi= s? What are<br> >> they getting it on?<br> >> Are many PCs below High level paying the material cost for extra o= r full<br> >> coverage?<br> >><br> >> Is the material cost too expensive or about right (12,000 for +21 = on<br> >> everything for one season)?<br> >><br> >><br> >> When there is an E&E with ranked GE in the party, I have seen = it being<br> >> used extensively but<br> >> with frequent arguments and/or confusion over what areas it is on.= <br> >> I think what it affects needs to be broadened. A few options:<br> >> a) It affects everything for a day for all those within 10' of= the caster<br> >> at time of casting.<br> >> - Very simple.<br> >> b) As per a) but with lesser effect e.g. 5% +1% per 2 full ranks. = - Simple<br> >> again but less<br> >> powerful.<br> >> c) Additional areas at higher ranks - every 4 ranks you can add on= e area<br> >> instead of an<br> >> additional target or day. - No better at low ranks and more powerf= ul at<br> >> higher ranks.<br> >><br> >><br> >> Could I get your GM/Player Opinions/perceptions on this please.<br= > >><br> >> Thanks, Stephen.<br> >><br> >><br> >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-request@dq.sf= .org.nz">dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz</a> --<br> <br> <br> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz">= dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz</a> --<br> </blockquote></div> --047d7b5dba683b63d504e5ac0393-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- |
Subject | Re: [dq] Greater Enchantment |
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From | Martin Dickson |
Date | Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:42:59 +1200 |
--089e013a05acfd664104e5ac5147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Low level parties can't afford +20 GE? That's a feature not a bug. On 6/09/2013 10:22 AM, "Julia McSpadden" <juliamcspadden@gmail.com> wrote: > Low level parties just often can't afford. > > When you are still saving to buy 30- 60k spells and only getting low > level treasure > > 10k on a GE is too expensive > > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: > > GE is okay. It's a bit on the uninteresting side, but I can live with it. > > The reason I can live with it is that permanent ones are no longer > available > > except under special circumstances > > > > On Sep 5, 2013 11:51 AM, "Stephen Martin" <stephenm@aklnz.net> wrote: > >> > >> It being a few years since it was changed I thought it might be time to > >> review the new version. > >> > >> The main goals of the previous edit were: > >> 1. To have less characters wandering around with +21 on everything. > >> 2. To make it more beneficial to have an E&E with GE in your party (i.e. > >> more of a party buff > >> than a pre-game money sink). > >> > >> Many High+ level characters have managed to acquire permanent old style > >> +20 on everything > >> Greaters and those that haven't presumably have it on their list. > Whatever > >> we have done or do > >> with GE probably won't have much impact on them so let's ignore them for > >> this discussion. > >> > >> If you don't have an E&E in the party, +15 to 21 on one area for one > >> season can be acquired > >> from PC E&Es fairly cheaply and easily. > >> I haven't seen much sign of this being done. Are PCs doing this? What > are > >> they getting it on? > >> Are many PCs below High level paying the material cost for extra or full > >> coverage? > >> > >> Is the material cost too expensive or about right (12,000 for +21 on > >> everything for one season)? > >> > >> > >> When there is an E&E with ranked GE in the party, I have seen it being > >> used extensively but > >> with frequent arguments and/or confusion over what areas it is on. > >> I think what it affects needs to be broadened. A few options: > >> a) It affects everything for a day for all those within 10' of the > caster > >> at time of casting. > >> - Very simple. > >> b) As per a) but with lesser effect e.g. 5% +1% per 2 full ranks. - > Simple > >> again but less > >> powerful. > >> c) Additional areas at higher ranks - every 4 ranks you can add one area > >> instead of an > >> additional target or day. - No better at low ranks and more powerful at > >> higher ranks. > >> > >> > >> Could I get your GM/Player Opinions/perceptions on this please. > >> > >> Thanks, Stephen. > >> > >> > >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > > > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > --089e013a05acfd664104e5ac5147 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <p>Low level parties can't afford +20 GE?</p> <p>That's a feature not a bug.</p> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 6/09/2013 10:22 AM, "Julia McSpadden&quo= t; <<a href=3D"mailto:juliamcspadden@gmail.com">juliamcspadden@gmail.com= </a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s= tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Low level parties just often can't afford.<br> <br> When you are still saving to buy 30- 60k spells and only getting low<br> level treasure<br> <br> 10k on a GE is too expensive<br> <br> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Jim Arona <<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@g= mail.com">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > GE is okay. It's a bit on the uninteresting side, but I can live w= ith it.<br> > The reason I can live with it is that permanent ones are no longer ava= ilable<br> > except under special circumstances<br> ><br> > On Sep 5, 2013 11:51 AM, "Stephen Martin" <<a href=3D"mai= lto:stephenm@aklnz.net">stephenm@aklnz.net</a>> wrote:<br> >><br> >> It being a few years since it was changed I thought it might be ti= me to<br> >> review the new version.<br> >><br> >> The main goals of the previous edit were:<br> >> 1. To have less characters wandering around with +21 on everything= .<br> >> 2. To make it more beneficial to have an E&E with GE in your p= arty (i.e.<br> >> more of a party buff<br> >> than a pre-game money sink).<br> >><br> >> Many High+ level characters have managed to acquire permanent old = style<br> >> +20 on everything<br> >> Greaters and those that haven't presumably have it on their li= st. Whatever<br> >> we have done or do<br> >> with GE probably won't have much impact on them so let's i= gnore them for<br> >> this discussion.<br> >><br> >> If you don't have an E&E in the party, +15 to 21 on one ar= ea for one<br> >> season can be acquired<br> >> from PC E&Es fairly cheaply and easily.<br> >> I haven't seen much sign of this being done. Are PCs doing thi= s? What are<br> >> they getting it on?<br> >> Are many PCs below High level paying the material cost for extra o= r full<br> >> coverage?<br> >><br> >> Is the material cost too expensive or about right (12,000 for +21 = on<br> >> everything for one season)?<br> >><br> >><br> >> When there is an E&E with ranked GE in the party, I have seen = it being<br> >> used extensively but<br> >> with frequent arguments and/or confusion over what areas it is on.= <br> >> I think what it affects needs to be broadened. A few options:<br> >> a) It affects everything for a day for all those within 10' of= the caster<br> >> at time of casting.<br> >> - Very simple.<br> >> b) As per a) but with lesser effect e.g. 5% +1% per 2 full ranks. = - Simple<br> >> again but less<br> >> powerful.<br> >> c) Additional areas at higher ranks - every 4 ranks you can add on= e area<br> >> instead of an<br> >> additional target or day. - No better at low ranks and more powerf= ul at<br> >> higher ranks.<br> >><br> >><br> >> Could I get your GM/Player Opinions/perceptions on this please.<br= > >><br> >> Thanks, Stephen.<br> >><br> >><br> >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-request@dq.sf= .org.nz">dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz</a> --<br> <br> <br> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz">= dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz</a> --<br> </blockquote></div> --089e013a05acfd664104e5ac5147-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- |
Subject | Re: [dq] Greater Enchantment |
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From | Errol Cavit |
Date | Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:47:57 +1200 |
--_000_6764EC8E0FF840458327C0CAA5D3E8D034DB5D94C2nzexmaln01tol_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I read Julia's comment as an observation/explanation, rather than a complai= nt. Cheers Errol From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Mar= tin Dickson Sent: Friday, 6 September 2013 12:43 p.m. To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz Subject: Re: [dq] Greater Enchantment Low level parties can't afford +20 GE? That's a feature not a bug. On 6/09/2013 10:22 AM, "Julia McSpadden" <juliamcspadden@gmail.com<mailto:j= uliamcspadden@gmail.com>> wrote: Low level parties just often can't afford. When you are still saving to buy 30- 60k spells and only getting low level treasure 10k on a GE is too expensive On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com<mailto:jim.a= rona@gmail.com>> wrote: > GE is okay. It's a bit on the uninteresting side, but I can live with it. > The reason I can live with it is that permanent ones are no longer availa= ble > except under special circumstances > > On Sep 5, 2013 11:51 AM, "Stephen Martin" <stephenm@aklnz.net<mailto:step= henm@aklnz.net>> wrote: >> >> It being a few years since it was changed I thought it might be time to >> review the new version. >> >> The main goals of the previous edit were: >> 1. To have less characters wandering around with +21 on everything. >> 2. To make it more beneficial to have an E&E with GE in your party (i.e. >> more of a party buff >> than a pre-game money sink). >> >> Many High+ level characters have managed to acquire permanent old style >> +20 on everything >> Greaters and those that haven't presumably have it on their list. Whatev= er >> we have done or do >> with GE probably won't have much impact on them so let's ignore them for >> this discussion. >> >> If you don't have an E&E in the party, +15 to 21 on one area for one >> season can be acquired >> from PC E&Es fairly cheaply and easily. >> I haven't seen much sign of this being done. Are PCs doing this? What ar= e >> they getting it on? >> Are many PCs below High level paying the material cost for extra or full >> coverage? >> >> Is the material cost too expensive or about right (12,000 for +21 on >> everything for one season)? >> >> >> When there is an E&E with ranked GE in the party, I have seen it being >> used extensively but >> with frequent arguments and/or confusion over what areas it is on. >> I think what it affects needs to be broadened. A few options: >> a) It affects everything for a day for all those within 10' of the caste= r >> at time of casting. >> - Very simple. >> b) As per a) but with lesser effect e.g. 5% +1% per 2 full ranks. - Simp= le >> again but less >> powerful. >> c) Additional areas at higher ranks - every 4 ranks you can add one area >> instead of an >> additional target or day. - No better at low ranks and more powerful at >> higher ranks. >> >> >> Could I get your GM/Player Opinions/perceptions on this please. >> >> Thanks, Stephen. >> >> >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz<mailto:dq-reques= t@dq.sf.org.nz> -- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz<mailto:dq-request@d= q.sf.org.nz> -- --_000_6764EC8E0FF840458327C0CAA5D3E8D034DB5D94C2nzexmaln01tol_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micr= osoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http:= //www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content= =3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"><meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Micros= oft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} p {mso-style-priority:99; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0cm; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0cm; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DEN-NZ link=3Dblue vli= nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f= ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I read Ju= lia’s comment as an observation/explanation, rather than a complaint.= <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;= font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span><= /p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibr= i","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNo= rmal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";col= or:#1F497D'>Errol<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'= font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nb= sp;</o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;= padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid = #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang= =3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:= </span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma= ","sans-serif"'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On= Behalf Of </b>Martin Dickson<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 6 September 2013 12:4= 3 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Greater En= chantment<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> = </o:p></p><p>Low level parties can't afford +20 GE?<o:p></o:p></p><p>That's= a feature not a bug.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 6/09/2013 = 10:22 AM, "Julia McSpadden" <<a href=3D"mailto:juliamcspadden@= gmail.com">juliamcspadden@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class= =3DMsoNormal>Low level parties just often can't afford.<br><br>When you are= still saving to buy 30- 60k spells and only getting low<br>level treasure<= br><br>10k on a GE is too expensive<br><br>On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, = Jim Arona <<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com">jim.arona@gmail.com</a= >> wrote:<br>> GE is okay. It's a bit on the uninteresting side, but = I can live with it.<br>> The reason I can live with it is that permanent= ones are no longer available<br>> except under special circumstances<br= >><br>> On Sep 5, 2013 11:51 AM, "Stephen Martin" <<a hr= ef=3D"mailto:stephenm@aklnz.net">stephenm@aklnz.net</a>> wrote:<br>>&= gt;<br>>> It being a few years since it was changed I thought it migh= t be time to<br>>> review the new version.<br>>><br>>> Th= e main goals of the previous edit were:<br>>> 1. To have less charact= ers wandering around with +21 on everything.<br>>> 2. To make it more= beneficial to have an E&E with GE in your party (i.e.<br>>> more= of a party buff<br>>> than a pre-game money sink).<br>>><br>&g= t;> Many High+ level characters have managed to acquire permanent old st= yle<br>>> +20 on everything<br>>> Greaters and those that haven= 't presumably have it on their list. Whatever<br>>> we have done or d= o<br>>> with GE probably won't have much impact on them so let's igno= re them for<br>>> this discussion.<br>>><br>>> If you don= 't have an E&E in the party, +15 to 21 on one area for one<br>>> = season can be acquired<br>>> from PC E&Es fairly cheaply and easi= ly.<br>>> I haven't seen much sign of this being done. Are PCs doing = this? What are<br>>> they getting it on?<br>>> Are many PCs bel= ow High level paying the material cost for extra or full<br>>> covera= ge?<br>>><br>>> Is the material cost too expensive or about rig= ht (12,000 for +21 on<br>>> everything for one season)?<br>>><b= r>>><br>>> When there is an E&E with ranked GE in the party= , I have seen it being<br>>> used extensively but<br>>> with fr= equent arguments and/or confusion over what areas it is on.<br>>> I t= hink what it affects needs to be broadened. A few options:<br>>> a) I= t affects everything for a day for all those within 10' of the caster<br>&g= t;> at time of casting.<br>>> - Very simple.<br>>> b) As per= a) but with lesser effect e.g. 5% +1% per 2 full ranks. - Simple<br>>&g= t; again but less<br>>> powerful.<br>>> c) Additional areas at = higher ranks - every 4 ranks you can add one area<br>>> instead of an= <br>>> additional target or day. - No better at low ranks and more po= werful at<br>>> higher ranks.<br>>><br>>><br>>> Cou= ld I get your GM/Player Opinions/perceptions on this please.<br>>><br= >>> Thanks, Stephen.<br>>><br>>><br>>> -- to unsubs= cribe notify mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz">dq-request@d= q.sf.org.nz</a> --<br><br><br>-- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href=3D"ma= ilto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz">dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz</a> --<o:p></o:p></p>= </div></div></div></body></html>= --_000_6764EC8E0FF840458327C0CAA5D3E8D034DB5D94C2nzexmaln01tol_-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- |
Subject | Re: [dq] Greater Enchantment |
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From | Julia |
Date | Fri, 06 Sep 2013 12:58:51 +1200 |
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Subject | [dq] Coffee |
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From | Julia |
Date | Fri, 06 Sep 2013 14:46:30 +1200 |
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Subject | Re: [dq] Coffee |
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From | paul schmidt |
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Subject | Re: [dq] Greater Enchantment |
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From | Jim Arona |
Date | Fri, 6 Sep 2013 16:13:39 +1200 |
I didn't think Julia was complaining. It's just that I don't agree with reducing the price on GEs, because if this is done, then all low-level adventurers will be able to afford high Ranked enchantments. GEs have a cascading effect on PC competence, and that improved competence attacks the feeling that they might be out of their depth, which, it seems to me, is the signature of a low-level character. If you reduce the cost so that a bunch of low-level PCs can risk going on a medium+ level adventure, then how do you argue that all low-level adventurers should not buy high-ranked GEs on every adventure? Cost, it would seem, is the only control. I am not saying that it is a vain effort to find games for players that are congruent with their character's abilities. Indeed, it is a worthy endeavour. Nevertheless, I find myself able to withstand the storm of emotions, and no longer cry myself to sleep at night over players who have not found the ideal game. On 06/09/2013, Julia <juliamcspadden@gmail.com> wrote: > If I was complaining. I would have said " this rule change was designed by > the fun police to make it harder to adjust the level of a character to fit > in with games going out." > > Case in point the three times players with low characters missed out on a > game as nothing was running for them. > > Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: > >>Affordability is a function of adventurer income. The cost of enchantments >>is less than it used to be as a direct result of the change to GE, and if >>the complaint is that they are too expensive, then either player >>expectation has changed or treasure awards have diminished. >> On Sep 6, 2013 10:22 AM, "Julia McSpadden" <juliamcspadden@gmail.com> >>wrote: >> >>> Low level parties just often can't afford. >>> >>> When you are still saving to buy 30- 60k spells and only getting low >>> level treasure >>> >>> 10k on a GE is too expensive >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > GE is okay. It's a bit on the uninteresting side, but I can live with >>> > it. >>> > The reason I can live with it is that permanent ones are no longer >>> available >>> > except under special circumstances >>> > >>> > On Sep 5, 2013 11:51 AM, "Stephen Martin" <stephenm@aklnz.net> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> It being a few years since it was changed I thought it might be time >>> >> to >>> >> review the new version. >>> >> >>> >> The main goals of the previous edit were: >>> >> 1. To have less characters wandering around with +21 on everything. >>> >> 2. To make it more beneficial to have an E&E with GE in your party >>> >> (i.e. >>> >> more of a party buff >>> >> than a pre-game money sink). >>> >> >>> >> Many High+ level characters have managed to acquire permanent old >>> >> style >>> >> +20 on everything >>> >> Greaters and those that haven't presumably have it on their list. >>> Whatever >>> >> we have done or do >>> >> with GE probably won't have much impact on them so let's ignore them >>> >> for >>> >> this discussion. >>> >> >>> >> If you don't have an E&E in the party, +15 to 21 on one area for one >>> >> season can be acquired >>> >> from PC E&Es fairly cheaply and easily. >>> >> I haven't seen much sign of this being done. Are PCs doing this? What >>> are >>> >> they getting it on? >>> >> Are many PCs below High level paying the material cost for extra or >>> >> full >>> >> coverage? >>> >> >>> >> Is the material cost too expensive or about right (12,000 for +21 on >>> >> everything for one season)? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> When there is an E&E with ranked GE in the party, I have seen it being >>> >> used extensively but >>> >> with frequent arguments and/or confusion over what areas it is on. >>> >> I think what it affects needs to be broadened. A few options: >>> >> a) It affects everything for a day for all those within 10' of the >>> caster >>> >> at time of casting. >>> >> - Very simple. >>> >> b) As per a) but with lesser effect e.g. 5% +1% per 2 full ranks. - >>> Simple >>> >> again but less >>> >> powerful. >>> >> c) Additional areas at higher ranks - every 4 ranks you can add one >>> >> area >>> >> instead of an >>> >> additional target or day. - No better at low ranks and more powerful >>> >> at >>> >> higher ranks. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Could I get your GM/Player Opinions/perceptions on this please. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks, Stephen. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- >>> >>> >>> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- >>> > -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- |
Subject | Re: [dq] New DQ Map feedback |
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From | Kelsie McArthur |
Date | Fri, 6 Sep 2013 18:36:45 +1200 |
--f46d04428d96315f1f04e5b143b6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428d96315f1c04e5b143b5 --f46d04428d96315f1c04e5b143b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Or a SGT article with that information. ie the status of the Drow invasion as at the beginning of the season. Kelsie On 6 September 2013 11:51, Julia McSpadden <juliamcspadden@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi > Just wondering if there is a version with the status of the Drow invasion > as at the beginning of the season? > > Ie fallen - contested - frontline... > Jules > On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jonathan Bean <jonobean@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I and Kelsie with the assistance and feedback of others have reached a >> point where I now seek general feedback regarding the new Western Alusia >> map. The map is a layered PDF document - which means that some information >> is hidden out of sight and can be viewed on other layers - a handy thing to >> reduce clutter. >> >> The Western Alusia Map<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B12BfjlQDqeMcEl2ZU5lcGw4SkE/edit?usp=sharing>is currently hosted on an open link on Google Docs (no sign in required). >> >> You can view it online within Google docs PDF viewer but can not select >> layers. >> If you select download as a PDF file, if you open it with Acrobat Ready >> you are able to select layer tool on the left - marked by the yellow arrow >> on the image below. >> >> [image: Inline images 2] >> >> Once open you can see the layers with their names and content - such as >> Dwarf strongholds, GMs, Trade Goods, Trade routes, etc >> >> I am seeking any feedback about any questions or errors. >> I am aiming to include a printed copy with the SGT at the guild meeting. >> >> This is the link to the Western Alusia map<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B12BfjlQDqeMcEl2ZU5lcGw4SkE/edit?usp=sharing> >> . >> >> >> -- >> Kind regards, >> >> Jonathan Bean >> 39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn >> P: +64 9 378 6635 >> M: +64 21 917 173 >> G: jonobean@gmail.com >> > > --f46d04428d96315f1c04e5b143b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Or a SGT article with that information.<br><br><= /div>ie the status of the Drow invasion as at the beginning of the season.= <br><br></div>Kelsie<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class= =3D"gmail_quote"> On 6 September 2013 11:51, Julia McSpadden <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D= "mailto:juliamcspadden@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">juliamcspadden@gmail.co= m</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi= n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div>Hi </div> <div>Just wondering if there is a version with the status of the Drow invas= ion as at the beginning of the season?</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>Ie fallen - contested - frontline...<br></div> <div>Jules<br></div> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:48 = AM, Jonathan Bean <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.co= m" target=3D"_blank">jonobean@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> </div><blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.= 8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"im">Hi all,=20 <div><br></div> <div>I and Kelsie with the assistance and feedback of others have reached a= point where I now seek general feedback regarding the new Western Alusia m= ap. The map is a layered PDF document - which means that some information i= s hidden out of sight and can be viewed on other layers - a handy thing to = reduce clutter.=A0</div> <div><br></div> </div><div>The <a href=3D"https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B12BfjlQDqeMcEl2Z= U5lcGw4SkE/edit?usp=3Dsharing" target=3D"_blank">Western Alusia Map</a> is = currently hosted on an open link on Google Docs (no sign in required).</div= > <div class=3D"im"> <div><br></div> <div>You can view it online within Google docs PDF viewer but can not selec= t layers.</div> <div>If you select download as a PDF file, if you open it with Acrobat Read= y you are able to select layer tool on the left - marked by the yellow arro= w on the image below.</div> </div><div>=A0<br clear=3D"all"> <div><img alt=3D"Inline images 2" src=3D"cid:ii_140bcfe7643064e4" height=3D= "96" width=3D"41"><br></div><div class=3D"im"> <div><br></div> <div>Once open you can see the layers with their names and content - such a= s Dwarf strongholds, GMs, Trade Goods, Trade routes, etc</div> <div><br></div> <div>I am seeking any feedback about any questions or errors.</div> <div>I am aiming to include a printed copy with the SGT at the guild meetin= g.<br></div> <div><br></div> </div><div>This is the link to the <a href=3D"https://docs.google.com/file/= d/0B12BfjlQDqeMcEl2ZU5lcGw4SkE/edit?usp=3Dsharing" target=3D"_blank">Wester= n Alusia map</a>.</div><span><font color=3D"#888888"> <div><br></div> <div><br></div>-- <br> <div>Kind regards,</div> <div><div class=3D"im"><br>Jonathan Bean=20 <div>39 Sackville St, Grey Lynn</div> </div><div><div class=3D"im">P: <a href=3D"tel:%2B64%209%20378%206635" valu= e=3D"+6493786635" target=3D"_blank">+64 9 378 6635</a><br></div><div class= =3D"im">M: <a href=3D"tel:%2B64%2021%20917%20173" value=3D"+6421917173" tar= get=3D"_blank">+64 21 917 173</a><br> </div>G:=A0<a href=3D"mailto:jonobean@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jonobean= @gmail.com</a></div> 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Subject | Re: [dq] Coffee |
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From | Kelsie McArthur |
Date | Fri, 6 Sep 2013 18:37:25 +1200 |
--001a11c38c8286094604e5b145e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'll be there. Kelsie On 6 September 2013 14:46, Julia <juliamcspadden@gmail.com> wrote: > > Do people want to do coffee before the guild meeting? > > Cafe cezzanne 11.30? > > Julia <juliamcspadden@gmail.com> wrote: > > >If I was complaining. I would have said " this rule change was designed > by the fun police to make it harder to adjust the level of a character to > fit in with games going out." > > > >Case in point the three times players with low characters missed out on a > game as nothing was running for them. > > > >Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>Affordability is a function of adventurer income. The cost of > enchantments > >>is less than it used to be as a direct result of the change to GE, and if > >>the complaint is that they are too expensive, then either player > >>expectation has changed or treasure awards have diminished. > >> On Sep 6, 2013 10:22 AM, "Julia McSpadden" <juliamcspadden@gmail.com> > >>wrote: > >> > >>> Low level parties just often can't afford. > >>> > >>> When you are still saving to buy 30- 60k spells and only getting low > >>> level treasure > >>> > >>> 10k on a GE is too expensive > >>> > >>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > GE is okay. It's a bit on the uninteresting side, but I can live > with it. > >>> > The reason I can live with it is that permanent ones are no longer > >>> available > >>> > except under special circumstances > >>> > > >>> > On Sep 5, 2013 11:51 AM, "Stephen Martin" <stephenm@aklnz.net> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> It being a few years since it was changed I thought it might be > time to > >>> >> review the new version. > >>> >> > >>> >> The main goals of the previous edit were: > >>> >> 1. To have less characters wandering around with +21 on everything. > >>> >> 2. To make it more beneficial to have an E&E with GE in your party > (i.e. > >>> >> more of a party buff > >>> >> than a pre-game money sink). > >>> >> > >>> >> Many High+ level characters have managed to acquire permanent old > style > >>> >> +20 on everything > >>> >> Greaters and those that haven't presumably have it on their list. > >>> Whatever > >>> >> we have done or do > >>> >> with GE probably won't have much impact on them so let's ignore > them for > >>> >> this discussion. > >>> >> > >>> >> If you don't have an E&E in the party, +15 to 21 on one area for one > >>> >> season can be acquired > >>> >> from PC E&Es fairly cheaply and easily. > >>> >> I haven't seen much sign of this being done. Are PCs doing this? > What > >>> are > >>> >> they getting it on? > >>> >> Are many PCs below High level paying the material cost for extra or > full > >>> >> coverage? > >>> >> > >>> >> Is the material cost too expensive or about right (12,000 for +21 on > >>> >> everything for one season)? > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> When there is an E&E with ranked GE in the party, I have seen it > being > >>> >> used extensively but > >>> >> with frequent arguments and/or confusion over what areas it is on. > >>> >> I think what it affects needs to be broadened. A few options: > >>> >> a) It affects everything for a day for all those within 10' of the > >>> caster > >>> >> at time of casting. > >>> >> - Very simple. > >>> >> b) As per a) but with lesser effect e.g. 5% +1% per 2 full ranks. - > >>> Simple > >>> >> again but less > >>> >> powerful. > >>> >> c) Additional areas at higher ranks - every 4 ranks you can add one > area > >>> >> instead of an > >>> >> additional target or day. - No better at low ranks and more > powerful at > >>> >> higher ranks. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Could I get your GM/Player Opinions/perceptions on this please. > >>> >> > >>> >> Thanks, Stephen. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > >>> > >>> > >>> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- > >>> > --001a11c38c8286094604e5b145e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I'll be there.<br><br></div>Kelsie<br></div><div = class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 6 September 201= 3 14:46, Julia <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:juliamcspadden@gmail= .com" target=3D"_blank">juliamcspadden@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br> Do people want to do coffee before the guild meeting?<br> <br> Cafe cezzanne 11.30?<br> <br> Julia <<a href=3D"mailto:juliamcspadden@gmail.com">juliamcspadden@gmail.= com</a>> wrote:<br> <br> >If I was complaining. =A0I would have said " this rule change was = designed by the fun police to make it harder to adjust the level of a chara= cter to fit in with games going out."<br> ><br> >Case in point the three times players with low characters missed out on= a game as nothing was running for them.<br> ><br> >Jim Arona <<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com">jim.arona@gmail.co= m</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> >>Affordability is a function of adventurer income. The cost of encha= ntments<br> >>is less than it used to be as a direct result of the change to GE, = and if<br> >>the complaint is that they are too expensive, then either player<br= > >>expectation has changed or treasure awards have diminished.<br> >> On Sep 6, 2013 10:22 AM, "Julia McSpadden" <<a href= =3D"mailto:juliamcspadden@gmail.com">juliamcspadden@gmail.com</a>><br> >>wrote:<br> >><br> >>> Low level parties just often can't afford.<br> >>><br> >>> When you are still saving to buy 30- 60k spells and only getti= ng low<br> >>> level treasure<br> >>><br> >>> 10k on a GE is too expensive<br> >>><br> >>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Jim Arona <<a href=3D"mailt= o:jim.arona@gmail.com">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> >>> > GE is okay. It's a bit on the uninteresting side, but= I can live with it.<br> >>> > The reason I can live with it is that permanent ones are = no longer<br> >>> available<br> >>> > except under special circumstances<br> >>> ><br> >>> > On Sep 5, 2013 11:51 AM, "Stephen Martin" <<= a href=3D"mailto:stephenm@aklnz.net">stephenm@aklnz.net</a>> wrote:<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> It being a few years since it was changed I thought i= t might be time to<br> >>> >> review the new version.<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> The main goals of the previous edit were:<br> >>> >> 1. To have less characters wandering around with +21 = on everything.<br> >>> >> 2. To make it more beneficial to have an E&E with= GE in your party (i.e.<br> >>> >> more of a party buff<br> >>> >> than a pre-game money sink).<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> Many High+ level characters have managed to acquire p= ermanent old style<br> >>> >> +20 on everything<br> >>> >> Greaters and those that haven't presumably have i= t on their list.<br> >>> Whatever<br> >>> >> we have done or do<br> >>> >> with GE probably won't have much impact on them s= o let's ignore them for<br> >>> >> this discussion.<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> If you don't have an E&E in the party, +15 to= 21 on one area for one<br> >>> >> season can be acquired<br> >>> >> from PC E&Es fairly cheaply and easily.<br> >>> >> I haven't seen much sign of this being done. Are = PCs doing this? What<br> >>> are<br> >>> >> they getting it on?<br> >>> >> Are many PCs below High level paying the material cos= t for extra or full<br> >>> >> coverage?<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> Is the material cost too expensive or about right (12= ,000 for +21 on<br> >>> >> everything for one season)?<br> >>> >><br> >>> >><br> >>> >> When there is an E&E with ranked GE in the party,= I have seen it being<br> >>> >> used extensively but<br> >>> >> with frequent arguments and/or confusion over what ar= eas it is on.<br> >>> >> I think what it affects needs to be broadened. A few = options:<br> >>> >> a) It affects everything for a day for all those with= in 10' of the<br> >>> caster<br> >>> >> at time of casting.<br> >>> >> - Very simple.<br> >>> >> b) As per a) but with lesser effect e.g. 5% +1% per 2= full ranks. -<br> >>> Simple<br> >>> >> again but less<br> >>> >> powerful.<br> >>> >> c) Additional areas at higher ranks - every 4 ranks y= ou can add one area<br> >>> >> instead of an<br> >>> >> additional target or day. - No better at low ranks an= d more powerful at<br> >>> >> higher ranks.<br> >>> >><br> >>> >><br> >>> >> Could I get your GM/Player Opinions/perceptions on th= is please.<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> Thanks, Stephen.<br> >>> >><br> >>> >><br> >>> >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-= request@dq.sf.org.nz">dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz</a> --<br> >>><br> >>><br> >>> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-request@d= q.sf.org.nz">dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz</a> --<br> >>><br> </blockquote></div><br></div> --001a11c38c8286094604e5b145e0-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- |
Subject | Re: [dq] Coffee |
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From | Jonathan Bean |
Date | Fri, 6 Sep 2013 19:56:59 +1200 |
--001a11c37a081f937304e5b26298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes coffee would be good. On 6/09/2013 6:37 PM, "Kelsie McArthur" <kelsiemca@gmail.com> wrote: > I'll be there. > > Kelsie > > > On 6 September 2013 14:46, Julia <juliamcspadden@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Do people want to do coffee before the guild meeting? >> >> Cafe cezzanne 11.30? >> >> Julia <juliamcspadden@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >If I was complaining. I would have said " this rule change was designed >> by the fun police to make it harder to adjust the level of a character to >> fit in with games going out." >> > >> >Case in point the three times players with low characters missed out on >> a game as nothing was running for them. >> > >> >Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >>Affordability is a function of adventurer income. The cost of >> enchantments >> >>is less than it used to be as a direct result of the change to GE, and >> if >> >>the complaint is that they are too expensive, then either player >> >>expectation has changed or treasure awards have diminished. >> >> On Sep 6, 2013 10:22 AM, "Julia McSpadden" <juliamcspadden@gmail.com> >> >>wrote: >> >> >> >>> Low level parties just often can't afford. >> >>> >> >>> When you are still saving to buy 30- 60k spells and only getting low >> >>> level treasure >> >>> >> >>> 10k on a GE is too expensive >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > GE is okay. It's a bit on the uninteresting side, but I can live >> with it. >> >>> > The reason I can live with it is that permanent ones are no longer >> >>> available >> >>> > except under special circumstances >> >>> > >> >>> > On Sep 5, 2013 11:51 AM, "Stephen Martin" <stephenm@aklnz.net> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> It being a few years since it was changed I thought it might be >> time to >> >>> >> review the new version. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> The main goals of the previous edit were: >> >>> >> 1. To have less characters wandering around with +21 on everything. >> >>> >> 2. To make it more beneficial to have an E&E with GE in your party >> (i.e. >> >>> >> more of a party buff >> >>> >> than a pre-game money sink). >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Many High+ level characters have managed to acquire permanent old >> style >> >>> >> +20 on everything >> >>> >> Greaters and those that haven't presumably have it on their list. >> >>> Whatever >> >>> >> we have done or do >> >>> >> with GE probably won't have much impact on them so let's ignore >> them for >> >>> >> this discussion. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> If you don't have an E&E in the party, +15 to 21 on one area for >> one >> >>> >> season can be acquired >> >>> >> from PC E&Es fairly cheaply and easily. >> >>> >> I haven't seen much sign of this being done. Are PCs doing this? >> What >> >>> are >> >>> >> they getting it on? >> >>> >> Are many PCs below High level paying the material cost for extra >> or full >> >>> >> coverage? >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Is the material cost too expensive or about right (12,000 for +21 >> on >> >>> >> everything for one season)? >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> When there is an E&E with ranked GE in the party, I have seen it >> being >> >>> >> used extensively but >> >>> >> with frequent arguments and/or confusion over what areas it is on. >> >>> >> I think what it affects needs to be broadened. A few options: >> >>> >> a) It affects everything for a day for all those within 10' of the >> >>> caster >> >>> >> at time of casting. >> >>> >> - Very simple. >> >>> >> b) As per a) but with lesser effect e.g. 5% +1% per 2 full ranks. - >> >>> Simple >> >>> >> again but less >> >>> >> powerful. >> >>> >> c) Additional areas at higher ranks - every 4 ranks you can add >> one area >> >>> >> instead of an >> >>> >> additional target or day. - No better at low ranks and more >> powerful at >> >>> >> higher ranks. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Could I get your GM/Player Opinions/perceptions on this please. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Thanks, Stephen. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- >> >>> >> > > --001a11c37a081f937304e5b26298 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <p dir=3D"ltr">Yes coffee would be good.</p> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 6/09/2013 6:37 PM, "Kelsie McArthur"= ; <<a href=3D"mailto:kelsiemca@gmail.com">kelsiemca@gmail.com</a>> wr= ote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar= gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I'll be there.<br><br></div>Kelsie<br></div><div = class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 6 September 201= 3 14:46, Julia <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:juliamcspadden@gmail= .com" target=3D"_blank">juliamcspadden@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br> Do people want to do coffee before the guild meeting?<br> <br> Cafe cezzanne 11.30?<br> <br> Julia <<a href=3D"mailto:juliamcspadden@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jul= iamcspadden@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br> >If I was complaining. =A0I would have said " this rule change was = designed by the fun police to make it harder to adjust the level of a chara= cter to fit in with games going out."<br> ><br> >Case in point the three times players with low characters missed out on= a game as nothing was running for them.<br> ><br> >Jim Arona <<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">= jim.arona@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> >>Affordability is a function of adventurer income. The cost of encha= ntments<br> >>is less than it used to be as a direct result of the change to GE, = and if<br> >>the complaint is that they are too expensive, then either player<br= > >>expectation has changed or treasure awards have diminished.<br> >> On Sep 6, 2013 10:22 AM, "Julia McSpadden" <<a href= =3D"mailto:juliamcspadden@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">juliamcspadden@gmail= .com</a>><br> >>wrote:<br> >><br> >>> Low level parties just often can't afford.<br> >>><br> >>> When you are still saving to buy 30- 60k spells and only getti= ng low<br> >>> level treasure<br> >>><br> >>> 10k on a GE is too expensive<br> >>><br> >>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Jim Arona <<a href=3D"mailt= o:jim.arona@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>> wrote:= <br> >>> > GE is okay. It's a bit on the uninteresting side, but= I can live with it.<br> >>> > The reason I can live with it is that permanent ones are = no longer<br> >>> available<br> >>> > except under special circumstances<br> >>> ><br> >>> > On Sep 5, 2013 11:51 AM, "Stephen Martin" <<= a href=3D"mailto:stephenm@aklnz.net" target=3D"_blank">stephenm@aklnz.net</= a>> wrote:<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> It being a few years since it was changed I thought i= t might be time to<br> >>> >> review the new version.<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> The main goals of the previous edit were:<br> >>> >> 1. To have less characters wandering around with +21 = on everything.<br> >>> >> 2. To make it more beneficial to have an E&E with= GE in your party (i.e.<br> >>> >> more of a party buff<br> >>> >> than a pre-game money sink).<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> Many High+ level characters have managed to acquire p= ermanent old style<br> >>> >> +20 on everything<br> >>> >> Greaters and those that haven't presumably have i= t on their list.<br> >>> Whatever<br> >>> >> we have done or do<br> >>> >> with GE probably won't have much impact on them s= o let's ignore them for<br> >>> >> this discussion.<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> If you don't have an E&E in the party, +15 to= 21 on one area for one<br> >>> >> season can be acquired<br> >>> >> from PC E&Es fairly cheaply and easily.<br> >>> >> I haven't seen much sign of this being done. Are = PCs doing this? What<br> >>> are<br> >>> >> they getting it on?<br> >>> >> Are many PCs below High level paying the material cos= t for extra or full<br> >>> >> coverage?<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> Is the material cost too expensive or about right (12= ,000 for +21 on<br> >>> >> everything for one season)?<br> >>> >><br> >>> >><br> >>> >> When there is an E&E with ranked GE in the party,= I have seen it being<br> >>> >> used extensively but<br> >>> >> with frequent arguments and/or confusion over what ar= eas it is on.<br> >>> >> I think what it affects needs to be broadened. A few = options:<br> >>> >> a) It affects everything for a day for all those with= in 10' of the<br> >>> caster<br> >>> >> at time of casting.<br> >>> >> - Very simple.<br> >>> >> b) As per a) but with lesser effect e.g. 5% +1% per 2= full ranks. -<br> >>> Simple<br> >>> >> again but less<br> >>> >> powerful.<br> >>> >> c) Additional areas at higher ranks - every 4 ranks y= ou can add one area<br> >>> >> instead of an<br> >>> >> additional target or day. - No better at low ranks an= d more powerful at<br> >>> >> higher ranks.<br> >>> >><br> >>> >><br> >>> >> Could I get your GM/Player Opinions/perceptions on th= is please.<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> Thanks, Stephen.<br> >>> >><br> >>> >><br> >>> >> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-= request@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz</a> --<br> >>><br> >>><br> >>> -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-request@d= q.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz</a> --<br> >>><br> </blockquote></div><br></div> </blockquote></div> --001a11c37a081f937304e5b26298-- -- to unsubscribe notify mailto:dq-request@dq.sf.org.nz -- |