Subject[dq] E & E
FromJulia
DateMon, 09 Sep 2013 08:12:24 +1200
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SubjectRe: [dq] E & E
FromIan Wood
DateSun, 8 Sep 2013 13:58:43 -0700 (PDT)
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Julia - i cant see them.=0A=0Aplease post the url=0A=0AAlso, I am not sure =
you can have a spell as powerful as Quickness that is not game destroying.=
=0A=0APerhaps we should look for somethings that are fun and useful, rather=
 than a single powerful spell or two.=0A=0A=0A=0Acheers,=0A=0AIan=0A=0A=0A=
=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Julia <juliamcspadden@gma=
il.com>=0A>To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz =0A>Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 8:12 AM=
=0A>Subject: [dq] E & E=0A> =0A>=0A>Hi All=0A>=0A>I put a couple of spells =
on e&e 2.0 discussion.=A0 Please read and add stuff.=0A>It's tricky to thin=
k of something cool enough to replace quickness and slow, without being gam=
e destroying =0A>=0A>
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Julia - i cant see th=
em.<br><br>please post the url<br><br>Also, I am not sure you can have a sp=
ell as powerful as Quickness that is not game destroying.<br><br>Perhaps we=
 should look for somethings that are fun and useful, rather than a single p=
owerful spell or two.<br><br><div><br><span></span></div><div style=3D"colo=
r: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,tim=
es,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>cheers,=
</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-famil=
y: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; fon=
t-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);=
 font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; backgr=
ound-color: transparent; font-style:
 normal;"><span>Ian<br></span></div><div><br><blockquote style=3D"border-le=
ft: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-=
left: 5px;">  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, =
serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new y=
ork, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <f=
ont face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</=
span></b> Julia &lt;juliamcspadden@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font=
-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz <br> <b><span style=3D"font-=
weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 9 September 2013 8:12 AM<br> <b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [dq] E &amp; E<br> </fo=
nt> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br>Hi All<br><br>I put a couple =
of spells on e&amp;e 2.0 discussion.&nbsp; Please read and add stuff.<br>It=
's tricky to think of something cool enough to replace quickness and slow, =
without being
 game destroying <br><br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote></div>   </div><=
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SubjectRe: [dq] E & E
FromJulia
DateMon, 09 Sep 2013 09:42:49 +1200
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SubjectRe: [dq] E & E
FromJim Arona
DateMon, 9 Sep 2013 09:33:51 +1200
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I think Ian raises a good point. There aren't enough fun spells in DQ,
which are not particularly powerful, and that's the kind of thing that
might be kind of cool.


On 9 September 2013 08:58, Ian Wood <dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> Julia - i cant see them.
>
> please post the url
>
> Also, I am not sure you can have a spell as powerful as Quickness that is
> not game destroying.
>
> Perhaps we should look for somethings that are fun and useful, rather than
> a single powerful spell or two.
>
>
> cheers,
>
> Ian
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Julia <juliamcspadden@gmail.com>
> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> *Sent:* Monday, 9 September 2013 8:12 AM
> *Subject:* [dq] E & E
>
> Hi All
>
> I put a couple of spells on e&e 2.0 discussion.  Please read and add stuff.
> It's tricky to think of something cool enough to replace quickness and
> slow, without being game destroying
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,=
serif">I think Ian raises a good point. There aren&#39;t enough fun spells =
in DQ, which are not particularly powerful, and that&#39;s the kind of thin=
g that might be kind of cool.<br>
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n 9 September 2013 08:58, Ian Wood <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz" target=3D"_blank">dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-famil=
y:times new roman,new york,times,serif">Julia - i cant see them.<br><br>ple=
ase post the url<br>
<br>Also, I am not sure you can have a spell as powerful as Quickness that =
is not game destroying.<br><br>Perhaps we should look for somethings that a=
re fun and useful, rather than a single powerful spell or two.<br><br><div>
<br><span></span></div><div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:16px;backg=
round-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><=
span>cheers,</span></div><div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:16px;bac=
kground-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"=
>
<br><span></span></div><div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:16px;backg=
round-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><=
span>Ian<br></span></div><div><br><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px soli=
d rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px">
  <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:=
12pt"> <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-=
size:12pt"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font face=3D"Arial"> <b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Julia &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
juliamcspadden@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">juliamcspadden@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;<br>
 <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq@dq=
.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 9 September 2013 8:12 AM<br> <b><s=
pan style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [dq] E &amp; E<br>
 </font> </div><div class=3D"im"> <div><br>Hi All<br><br>I put a couple of =
spells on e&amp;e 2.0 discussion.=A0 Please read and add stuff.<br>It&#39;s=
 tricky to think of something cool enough to replace quickness and slow, wi=
thout being
 game destroying <br><br></div> </div></div> </div> </blockquote></div>   <=
/div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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SubjectRe: [dq] E & E
FromJim Arona
DateMon, 9 Sep 2013 09:47:16 +1200
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http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=Talk:E%26E_v2.0


On 9 September 2013 09:33, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think Ian raises a good point. There aren't enough fun spells in DQ,
> which are not particularly powerful, and that's the kind of thing that
> might be kind of cool.
>
>
> On 9 September 2013 08:58, Ian Wood <dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Julia - i cant see them.
>>
>> please post the url
>>
>> Also, I am not sure you can have a spell as powerful as Quickness that is
>> not game destroying.
>>
>> Perhaps we should look for somethings that are fun and useful, rather
>> than a single powerful spell or two.
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Ian
>>
>>   ------------------------------
>>  *From:* Julia <juliamcspadden@gmail.com>
>> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
>> *Sent:* Monday, 9 September 2013 8:12 AM
>> *Subject:* [dq] E & E
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> I put a couple of spells on e&e 2.0 discussion.  Please read and add
>> stuff.
>> It's tricky to think of something cool enough to replace quickness and
>> slow, without being game destroying
>>
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,=
serif"><a href=3D"http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DTalk:E%26E_=
v2.0">http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DTalk:E%26E_v2.0</a><br>=
</div></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 9 Septembe=
r 2013 09:33, Jim Arona <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">I think Ian raises a good point. There aren=
&#39;t enough fun spells in DQ, which are not particularly powerful, and th=
at&#39;s the kind of thing that might be kind of cool.<br>

</div></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 9 September 2013 08:58, Ian=
 Wood <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz" target=
=3D"_blank">dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-famil=
y:times new roman,new york,times,serif">Julia - i cant see them.<br><br>ple=
ase post the url<br>

<br>Also, I am not sure you can have a spell as powerful as Quickness that =
is not game destroying.<br><br>Perhaps we should look for somethings that a=
re fun and useful, rather than a single powerful spell or two.<br><br>
<div>
<br><span></span></div><div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:16px;backg=
round-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><=
span>cheers,</span></div><div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:16px;bac=
kground-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"=
>

<br><span></span></div><div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:16px;backg=
round-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><=
span>Ian<br></span></div><div><br><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px soli=
d rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px">

  <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:=
12pt"> <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-=
size:12pt"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font face=3D"Arial"> <b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Julia &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
juliamcspadden@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">juliamcspadden@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;<br>

 <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq@dq=
.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 9 September 2013 8:12 AM<br> <b><s=
pan style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [dq] E &amp; E<br>

 </font> </div><div> <div><br>Hi All<br><br>I put a couple of spells on e&a=
mp;e 2.0 discussion.=A0 Please read and add stuff.<br>It&#39;s tricky to th=
ink of something cool enough to replace quickness and slow, without being
 game destroying <br><br></div> </div></div> </div> </blockquote></div>   <=
/div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Mystified
FromJim Arona
DateMon, 9 Sep 2013 12:39:04 +1200
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I had coffee with Andrew today, and I was telling him about the new
changes that were decided upon at the God's Meeting on Sunday, when I
suddenly found myself unsure of what had actually happened.
Did we vote that Quickness is removed?
Did we vote that Quickness should be removed?
Did we vote to agree that Quickness should be removed?
Did we vote that we agreed that we agreed that Quickness should be removed?

Similarly:
Did we vote that Jono's version of Evil Eye be accepted?
Did we vote that we agreed that Jono's version of Evil Eye should be
accepted?
Did we vote that we agreed that Jono's version of Evil Eye was good and the
current one sucked?
Did we vote that the the current version of Evil Eye sucked?

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:geo=
rgia,serif;display:inline">I had coffee with Andrew today, and I was tellin=
g him about the new changes that were decided upon at the God&#39;s Meeting=
 on Sunday, when I suddenly found myself unsure of what had actually happen=
ed.<br>
Did we vote that Quickness is removed?<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline">Did we vote that Quick=
ness should be removed?<br>Did we vote to agree that Quickness should be re=
moved?<br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif;displ=
ay:inline"></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,=
serif;display:inline">Did we vote that we agreed that we agreed that Quickn=
ess should be removed?<br>
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif;d=
isplay:inline">Similarly:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:georgia,serif;display:inline">Did we vote that Jono&#39;s version=
 of Evil Eye be accepted?<br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif;displ=
ay:inline">Did we vote that we agreed that Jono&#39;s version of Evil Eye s=
hould be accepted?<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:georgia,serif;display:inline">
Did we vote that we agreed that Jono&#39;s version of Evil Eye was good and=
 the current one sucked?<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:georgia,serif;display:inline">Did we vote that the the current ver=
sion of Evil Eye sucked?<br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif;displ=
ay:inline"><br></div></div></div>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Mystified
FromKelsie McArthur
DateMon, 9 Sep 2013 12:49:02 +1200
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We voted that Jono's version of Evil Eye be accepted.

We voted that something should be done about quickness, but not what has
gone before.

Discussed that quickness may be removed, if nothing better is come up with.


On 9 September 2013 12:39, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:

> I had coffee with Andrew today, and I was telling him about the new
> changes that were decided upon at the God's Meeting on Sunday, when I
> suddenly found myself unsure of what had actually happened.
> Did we vote that Quickness is removed?
> Did we vote that Quickness should be removed?
> Did we vote to agree that Quickness should be removed?
> Did we vote that we agreed that we agreed that Quickness should be removed?
>
> Similarly:
> Did we vote that Jono's version of Evil Eye be accepted?
> Did we vote that we agreed that Jono's version of Evil Eye should be
> accepted?
> Did we vote that we agreed that Jono's version of Evil Eye was good and
> the current one sucked?
> Did we vote that the the current version of Evil Eye sucked?
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,=
serif;display:inline">We voted that Jono&#39;s version of Evil Eye be accep=
ted.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia=
,serif;display:inline">
We voted that something should be done about quickness, but not what has go=
ne before. <br><br>Discussed that quickness may be removed, if nothing bett=
er is come up with.<br>
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n 9 September 2013 12:39, Jim Arona <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:jim.arona@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline">I had coffee with=
 Andrew today, and I was telling him about the new changes that were decide=
d upon at the God&#39;s Meeting on Sunday, when I suddenly found myself uns=
ure of what had actually happened.<br>

Did we vote that Quickness is removed?<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline">Did we vote that Quick=
ness should be removed?<br>Did we vote to agree that Quickness should be re=
moved?<br>

</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif;displ=
ay:inline"></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,=
serif;display:inline">Did we vote that we agreed that we agreed that Quickn=
ess should be removed?<br>

<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif;d=
isplay:inline">Similarly:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:georgia,serif;display:inline">Did we vote that Jono&#39;s version=
 of Evil Eye be accepted?<br>

</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif;displ=
ay:inline">Did we vote that we agreed that Jono&#39;s version of Evil Eye s=
hould be accepted?<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:georgia,serif;display:inline">

Did we vote that we agreed that Jono&#39;s version of Evil Eye was good and=
 the current one sucked?<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:georgia,serif;display:inline">Did we vote that the the current ver=
sion of Evil Eye sucked?<br>

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ay:inline"><br></div></div></div>
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DateMon, 09 Sep 2013 12:57:43 +1200
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FromErrol Cavit
DateMon, 9 Sep 2013 12:51:58 +1200
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http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DGuild_Meeting_September_2013#=
Rules_Issues

Rules Issues

 *   E&E change (ver 2.1<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KHyGjy_-BcL7IO=
g4FDttLi0pFcqxLaVZmafOZFuNue0/edit?hl=3Den_US>) play testing is going nowhe=
re. Propose vote to accept or dump. Vote: Dump 8 Accept: 3 No Vote 2.
 *   Propose vote to accept Jono's version of Evil Eye. Vote: Yes 13 No: 0 =
No Vote 0.
 *   Propose we remove requirement to cast 5 times per when ranking, as alm=
ost nobody does it any more, it is tedious and it penalises only beginning =
characters ie often new players. Vote: Yes 13 No: 0 No Vote 0.
 *   Air<http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DAir_College#Predict_=
Weather_.28T-3.29> and water<http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3D=
Water_College#Predict_Weather_.28T-1.29> predict weather talent accuracy sh=
ould be related to rank - Agreed - Proposal Required
 *   Propose we remove the 100 charge rule from investment. It's not used a=
nd the problem it was supposed to solve was better addressed in other ways =
and/or it didn't work anyway. Vote: Yes 13 No: 0 No Vote 0.
 *   Warrior 3.0<http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DWarrior_3.0>=
2 Update to Abilities - final season of play testing
I put Rules changes that I found in the Minutes since 2010 (other than the =
above) at:

http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DRule_Changes_since_2010

 *   Starting EP<http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DGuild_Meetin=
g_December_2010#Rules>
 *   Warrior 3.0<http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DWarrior_3.0#=
New_Version> (Note: Special Abilities<http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php=
?title=3DWarrior_3.0#Proposed_Special_Abilities> are in playtest)
 *   Racial Modifiers<http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DRacial_=
Modifiers_2013>

I suggest that we have enough changes in place or imminent to do a new Rule=
book soon. <runs and hides>

Errol

From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jim=
 Arona
Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 12:39 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Mystified

I had coffee with Andrew today, and I was telling him about the new changes=
 that were decided upon at the God's Meeting on Sunday, when I suddenly fou=
nd myself unsure of what had actually happened.
Did we vote that Quickness is removed?
Did we vote that Quickness should be removed?
Did we vote to agree that Quickness should be removed?
Did we vote that we agreed that we agreed that Quickness should be removed?
Similarly:
Did we vote that Jono's version of Evil Eye be accepted?
Did we vote that we agreed that Jono's version of Evil Eye should be accept=
ed?
Did we vote that we agreed that Jono's version of Evil Eye was good and the=
 current one sucked?
Did we vote that the the current version of Evil Eye sucked?


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t-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href=3D"http://www.dq-nz.=
org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DGuild_Meeting_September_2013#Rules_Issues">htt=
p://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DGuild_Meeting_September_2013#Rul=
es_Issues</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font=
-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><h3><span class=3Dmw-headline><span lang=3DEN>Rules Issues =
</span></span><span lang=3DEN><o:p></o:p></span></h3><ul type=3Ddisc><li cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span lang=3DEN>E&amp;E change (<a href=3D"https:=
//docs.google.com/document/d/1KHyGjy_-BcL7IOg4FDttLi0pFcqxLaVZmafOZFuNue0/e=
dit?hl=3Den_US">ver 2.1</a>) play testing is going nowhere. Propose vote to=
 accept or dump. <b>Vote: Dump 8 Accept: 3 No Vote 2.</b> <o:p></o:p></span=
></li><li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bot=
tom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span lang=3DEN>Propose vote to accep=
t Jono's version of Evil Eye. <b>Vote: Yes 13 No: 0 No Vote 0.</b> <o:p></o=
:p></span></li><li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span lang=3DEN>Propose we r=
emove requirement to cast 5 times per when ranking, as almost nobody does i=
t any more, it is tedious and it penalises only beginning characters ie oft=
en new players. <b>Vote: Yes 13 No: 0 No Vote 0.</b> <o:p></o:p></span></li=
><li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span lang=3DEN><a href=3D"http://www.dq-n=
z.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DAir_College#Predict_Weather_.28T-3.29" title=
=3D"Air College">Air</a> and <a href=3D"http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.p=
hp?title=3DWater_College#Predict_Weather_.28T-1.29" title=3D"Water College"=
>water</a> predict weather talent accuracy should be related to rank - <b>A=
greed - Proposal Required</b> <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 lev=
el1 lfo1'><span lang=3DEN>Propose we remove the 100 charge rule from invest=
ment. It's not used and the problem it was supposed to solve was better add=
ressed in other ways and/or it didn't work anyway. <b>Vote: Yes 13 No: 0 No=
 Vote 0.</b> <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-marg=
in-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span l=
ang=3DEN><a href=3D"http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DWarrior_3=
.0" title=3D"Warrior 3.0">Warrior 3.0</a>2 Update to Abilities - final seas=
on of play testing <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=3DMsoNormal><span s=
tyle=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=
I put Rules changes that I found in the Minutes since 2010 (other than the =
above) at:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.=
php?title=3DRule_Changes_since_2010<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=3Ddisc><l=
i class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:=
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><span lang=3DEN><a href=3D"http://www.dq-nz.o=
rg/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DGuild_Meeting_December_2010#Rules" title=3D"Gui=
ld Meeting December 2010">Starting EP</a> <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;ms=
o-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><span lang=3DEN><a href=3D"http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwi=
ki/index.php?title=3DWarrior_3.0#New_Version" title=3D"Warrior 3.0">Warrior=
 3.0</a> (Note: <a href=3D"http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DWa=
rrior_3.0#Proposed_Special_Abilities" title=3D"Warrior 3.0">Special Abiliti=
es</a> are in playtest) <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 l=
fo2'><span lang=3DEN><a href=3D"http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=
=3DRacial_Modifiers_2013" title=3D"Racial Modifiers 2013">Racial Modifiers<=
/a> <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I suggest that we have enough chan=
ges in place or imminent to do a new Rulebook soon. &lt;runs and hides&gt;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri=
","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Errol<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color=
:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-left=
:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none=
;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","=
sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@d=
q.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Arona<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 9 Septem=
ber 2013 12:39 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [d=
q] Mystified<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family=
:"Georgia","serif"'>I had coffee with Andrew today, and I was telling him a=
bout the new changes that were decided upon at the God's Meeting on Sunday,=
 when I suddenly found myself unsure of what had actually happened.<br>Did =
we vote that Quickness is removed?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Did we vote that=
 Quickness should be removed?<br>Did we vote to agree that Quickness should=
 be removed?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'=
margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Did we =
vote that we agreed that we agreed that Quickness should be removed?<o:p></=
o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"=
Georgia","serif"'>Similarly:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Did we vote that Jono'=
s version of Evil Eye be accepted?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Did we vote that=
 we agreed that Jono's version of Evil Eye should be accepted?<o:p></o:p></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Georgi=
a","serif"'>Did we vote that we agreed that Jono's version of Evil Eye was =
good and the current one sucked?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Did we vote that=
 the the current version of Evil Eye sucked?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>=

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SubjectRe: [dq] Mystified
FromKelsie McArthur
DateMon, 9 Sep 2013 12:51:58 +1200
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No, still may be fixed, if someone comes up with something workable. It was
not voted to dump them.


On 9 September 2013 12:57, Julia <juliamcspadden@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> We voted Jono 's version of Evil eye in.
>
> We voted that quickness and slowness are unfixable. So we will all write
> up some funky stuff (not just me) and once we find a couple of cool spells
> we will dump Q & S. For now they remain as per the rule book so long as you
> can get a GM to run that
>
> Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I had coffee with Andrew today, and I was telling him about the new
> >changes that were decided upon at the God's Meeting on Sunday, when I
> >suddenly found myself unsure of what had actually happened.
> >Did we vote that Quickness is removed?
> >Did we vote that Quickness should be removed?
> >Did we vote to agree that Quickness should be removed?
> >Did we vote that we agreed that we agreed that Quickness should be
> removed?
> >
> >Similarly:
> >Did we vote that Jono's version of Evil Eye be accepted?
> >Did we vote that we agreed that Jono's version of Evil Eye should be
> >accepted?
> >Did we vote that we agreed that Jono's version of Evil Eye was good and
> the
> >current one sucked?
> >Did we vote that the the current version of Evil Eye sucked?
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">No, still may be fixed, if someone comes up with something=
 workable. It was not voted to dump them.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 9 September 2013 12:57, Julia <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:juliamcspadden@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">juliamcspadden@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
We voted Jono &#39;s version of Evil eye in.<br>
<br>
We voted that quickness and slowness are unfixable. So we will all write up=
 some funky stuff (not just me) and once we find a couple of cool spells we=
 will dump Q &amp; S. For now they remain as per the rule book so long as y=
ou can get a GM to run that<br>

<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
Jim Arona &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com">jim.arona@gmail.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;I had coffee with Andrew today, and I was telling him about the new<br>
&gt;changes that were decided upon at the God&#39;s Meeting on Sunday, when=
 I<br>
&gt;suddenly found myself unsure of what had actually happened.<br>
&gt;Did we vote that Quickness is removed?<br>
&gt;Did we vote that Quickness should be removed?<br>
&gt;Did we vote to agree that Quickness should be removed?<br>
&gt;Did we vote that we agreed that we agreed that Quickness should be remo=
ved?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Similarly:<br>
&gt;Did we vote that Jono&#39;s version of Evil Eye be accepted?<br>
&gt;Did we vote that we agreed that Jono&#39;s version of Evil Eye should b=
e<br>
&gt;accepted?<br>
&gt;Did we vote that we agreed that Jono&#39;s version of Evil Eye was good=
 and the<br>
&gt;current one sucked?<br>
&gt;Did we vote that the the current version of Evil Eye sucked?<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Mystified
FromJim Arona
DateMon, 9 Sep 2013 12:52:19 +1200
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I will let Andrew know before the suspense kills him.


On 9 September 2013 12:57, Julia <juliamcspadden@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> We voted Jono 's version of Evil eye in.
>
> We voted that quickness and slowness are unfixable. So we will all write
> up some funky stuff (not just me) and once we find a couple of cool spells
> we will dump Q & S. For now they remain as per the rule book so long as you
> can get a GM to run that
>
> Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I had coffee with Andrew today, and I was telling him about the new
> >changes that were decided upon at the God's Meeting on Sunday, when I
> >suddenly found myself unsure of what had actually happened.
> >Did we vote that Quickness is removed?
> >Did we vote that Quickness should be removed?
> >Did we vote to agree that Quickness should be removed?
> >Did we vote that we agreed that we agreed that Quickness should be
> removed?
> >
> >Similarly:
> >Did we vote that Jono's version of Evil Eye be accepted?
> >Did we vote that we agreed that Jono's version of Evil Eye should be
> >accepted?
> >Did we vote that we agreed that Jono's version of Evil Eye was good and
> the
> >current one sucked?
> >Did we vote that the the current version of Evil Eye sucked?
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,=
serif">I will let Andrew know before the suspense kills him.<br></div></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 9 Septemb=
er 2013 12:57, Julia <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:juliamcspadden=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">juliamcspadden@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
We voted Jono &#39;s version of Evil eye in.<br>
<br>
We voted that quickness and slowness are unfixable. So we will all write up=
 some funky stuff (not just me) and once we find a couple of cool spells we=
 will dump Q &amp; S. For now they remain as per the rule book so long as y=
ou can get a GM to run that<br>

<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
Jim Arona &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com">jim.arona@gmail.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;I had coffee with Andrew today, and I was telling him about the new<br>
&gt;changes that were decided upon at the God&#39;s Meeting on Sunday, when=
 I<br>
&gt;suddenly found myself unsure of what had actually happened.<br>
&gt;Did we vote that Quickness is removed?<br>
&gt;Did we vote that Quickness should be removed?<br>
&gt;Did we vote to agree that Quickness should be removed?<br>
&gt;Did we vote that we agreed that we agreed that Quickness should be remo=
ved?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Similarly:<br>
&gt;Did we vote that Jono&#39;s version of Evil Eye be accepted?<br>
&gt;Did we vote that we agreed that Jono&#39;s version of Evil Eye should b=
e<br>
&gt;accepted?<br>
&gt;Did we vote that we agreed that Jono&#39;s version of Evil Eye was good=
 and the<br>
&gt;current one sucked?<br>
&gt;Did we vote that the the current version of Evil Eye sucked?<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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