SubjectRe: [dq] Guild meeting Minutes - Autumn 12 - Armourer for Rulebook update
FromHelen Saggers
DateTue, 3 Jun 2014 00:39:33 +1200
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Jim,=20

I have a real chain mail shirt as well as a vest of leather scale. Over =
the years last 20 + I=E2=80=99ve worn or helped others to don everything =
from Greek laminated cotton to full plate mail. I understand how =
important the proper fit it is to the various types.

Fur, Soft leather and chain are  very forgiving armours along the lines =
of =E2=80=9Cwhat size sir large medium or small.?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CWhat =
waist and long or short in the arm/leg.=E2=80=9D

Laminates, plates, and scale take more fitting; chest / shoulder width, =
Shoulder to hip etc. all become important as the more rigid the armour =
the more an improper fit restricts movement. These armours only bend at =
the joints and if the joints are in the wrong place you can=E2=80=99t =
make full unrestricted rotation of limbs or bend or reach as necessary. =
Get it wrong and you can=E2=80=99t put both arms out to meet ahead of =
you or bend sideways without bruised hips or even breathe properly in =
some cases.

By the time you are dealing with full plate, everything from the length =
of your fingers between each joint to the definition of your muscles and =
thickness and fit of your gambeson effect movement in your exoskeleton. =
And if you get it even a little wrong the armour can leave welts, pinch =
in important places, bust loose or even lockup on you in combat.

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The fitting times fit with armours, those that are cheap off the shelf =
mass market types that you fit out raw recruits with have low fitting =
time, near enough is good enough.

The longer times reflect the more time needed by the armourer and the =
wearer to work on getting each piece just so... So that a warrior in =
full kit has the best protection possible, with minimum loss of =
mobility. And that can include something as simple as having the wearer =
there so that the holes in the straps are punched in the right place. It =
takes many minutes to put on plate armour think how much longer it takes =
to do it the first time when your fitting, marking, removing, punching =
holes, refitting and checking. For each piece in turn.

=20

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From: dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of =
Jim Arona
Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2014 10:34 p.m.
To: dq@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: Re: [dq] Guild meeting Minutes - Autumn 12 - Armourer for =
Rulebook update

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=E2=80=8BI don't believe measuring and fitting time will vary depending =
on whatever kind of standard armour is being made.=E2=80=8B It would all =
take the same time.

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On 31 May 2014 15:49, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com> wrote:

I=E2=80=99ve just noticed that the Armourer changes being passed =
weren=E2=80=99t noted on the Agenda on the Wiki (and aren=E2=80=99t in =
the first public draft of Rulebook 2014)

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http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DGuild_Meeting_March_2012#Ru=
les_Issues (I=E2=80=99ve just added vote result)

http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DTalk:Armourer#Proposed_Chan=
ge:_Ver_1.3

=20

Cheers

Errol

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From: dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz =
[mailto:dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf Of Keith Smith
Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2012 6:28 p.m.
To: dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz
Subject: [dq-announce] Guild meeting Minutes - Autumn 12

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Seagate Guild of Adventurers

Guild Meeting Minutes

Autumn 812

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0)      Gods Bit

a)      E&E playtesting =E2=80=93 Still in progress.  Probably needs to =
be revised.  WIP

b)     Warrior testing =E2=80=93 Carry on testing.

c)      Armourer changes =E2=80=93 Put in as quick fix.  Carried with =
two abstentions

d)     Campaign News

-   We have a new King.  Married and crowned on the same day

-   Still having issues with elves

-   Tension and stress caused by lack of food.  Strong possibilities of =
decent people doing bad things out of desperation

-   New House on the Planes of Chaos =E2=80=93 the House of Midnight

-   The guild has a new ornament =E2=80=93 a petrified Blackrod.

e)      Incorporating the Society

-   This was required for legal reasons as we wanted a club bank account =
in order to pay for Hall Hires, printing the SGT and maintaining the =
Wiki

-   Annual subs of 25 dollars required from players unless =
you=E2=80=99re a student or have a darn good excuse

-   Club Officers (to be up for election at the next AGM):  President: =
Stephen, Secretary: Keith, Treasurer: Errol, Editor: Jacqui, Campaign =
Co-ordinator: Chris

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1)      Adventures Going Out

a)      Duncan Bold from Castle Chilton.  Find and recover missing =
equipment which must be done subtly.  Five players med/high.  Three =
short adventures and three weeks per adventure.  Mondays, Jono, Grey =
Lynn.

b)     A very shy and nervous Mizuno from Pasifika.  Need help dealing =
to an outbreak of zombies.  Want a party looking for =E2=80=98extreme =
life=E2=80=99 as well as borrowing high level healers to help deal with =
the plague.  Medium/Low, Thursdays, Keith, Mangere Bridge.

c)      Investigating a super soldier program in Reich.  Low/med Jim.

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2)      Smartest Adventurer

a)      Lath =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m the smartest=E2=80=9D =
=E2=80=93 nominated by Lath.

b)     Caprice.  The party were having death and destruction rained on =
them from above.  Caprice had Ithilmor turn the entire party into =
starlings so they could get up there and deal to them.

c)      Michael.  Suggested that the frozen in time waterfall, that was =
a chandelier, should be bound then coruscade cast on it to make it more =
prettier so it could be used to deal to a Horror.=20

-   Winner =E2=80=93 Caprice

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3)      Bravest Adventurer

a)      Tari =E2=80=93 sticking by Merco while he was being shot at

b)     Michael =E2=80=93 getting stuck in, without prompting, to battle =
the undead

-   Winner =E2=80=93 Michael

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4)      Stupidest Adventurer

a)      Tari =E2=80=93 standing by Merco while he was being shot at

b)     Merco =E2=80=93 still standing there when Tari stepped out of the =
way of the incoming arrows

c)      Dalran =E2=80=93 Being ran over by the party, several times, =
while being indetectable.  Also for throwing a non-magical dagger at a =
half-devil.

d)     Bleyse =E2=80=93 Faceplanting himself on the back of a =
bandersnatch while the party were fighting it

-   Winner =E2=80=93 Dalran

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5)      Best Death

a)      Ellinore =E2=80=93 Coming into landing and was shot at by the =
concealed orc ballista.  Crashed into a building while carrying =
explosive grenados

b)     Robert =E2=80=93 clipped trees while flying and impaled himself

-   Winner =E2=80=93 Ellinore

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6)      Jammiest Bastard Award

-   No nominations although Aryan was nominated for having Bound Fire =
stuck up a rear orifice.

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7)      General Business

a)      Seven of the Nine has been seen around the Guild still asking =
for UgBash

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>Jim, <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I have a real chain mail shirt as well as a vest of =
leather
scale. Over the years last 20 + I=E2=80=99ve worn or helped others to =
don everything
from Greek laminated cotton to full plate mail. I understand how =
important the proper
fit it is to the various types.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Fur, Soft leather and chain are =C2=A0very forgiving =
armours along
the lines of =E2=80=9Cwhat size sir large medium or small.?=E2=80=9D =
=E2=80=9CWhat waist and long or
short in the arm/leg.=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Laminates, plates, and scale take more fitting; chest / =
shoulder
width, Shoulder to hip etc. all become important as the more rigid the =
armour
the more an improper fit restricts movement. These armours only bend at =
the
joints and if the joints are in the wrong place you can=E2=80=99t make =
full unrestricted
rotation of limbs or bend or reach as necessary. Get it wrong and you =
can=E2=80=99t put
both arms out to meet ahead of you or bend sideways without bruised hips =
or
even breathe properly in some cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>By the time you are dealing with full plate, everything =
from the
length of your fingers between each joint to the definition of your =
muscles and
thickness and fit of your gambeson effect movement in your exoskeleton. =
And if
you get it even a little wrong the armour can leave welts, pinch in =
important
places, bust loose or even lockup on you in =
combat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The fitting times fit with armours, those that are cheap =
off the
shelf mass market types that you fit out raw recruits with have low =
fitting
time, near enough is good enough.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The longer times reflect the more time needed by the =
armourer
and the wearer to work on getting each piece just so... So that a =
warrior in
full kit has the best protection possible, with minimum loss of =
mobility. And
that can include something as simple as having the wearer there so that =
the
holes in the straps are punched in the right place. It takes many =
minutes to
put on plate armour think how much longer it takes to do it the first =
time when
your fitting, marking, removing, punching holes, refitting and checking. =
For
each piece in turn.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz
[mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Arona<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 31 May 2014 10:34 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Guild meeting Minutes - Autumn 12 - Armourer =
for
Rulebook update<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=8B<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>I don't believe
measuring and fitting time will vary depending on whatever kind of =
standard
armour is being made.</span>=E2=80=8B<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'> It
would all take the same time.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>On 31 May 2014 15:49, Errol Cavit &lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" =
target=3D"_blank">Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I=E2=80=99ve
just noticed that the Armourer changes being passed weren=E2=80=99t =
noted on the Agenda
on the Wiki (and aren=E2=80=99t in the first public draft of Rulebook =
2014)</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><a
href=3D"http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DGuild_Meeting_March=
_2012#Rules_Issues"
target=3D"_blank">http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DGuild_Mee=
ting_March_2012#Rules_Issues</a>
(I=E2=80=99ve just added vote result)</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><a
href=3D"http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DTalk:Armourer#Propo=
sed_Change:_Ver_1.3"
target=3D"_blank">http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DTalk:Armo=
urer#Proposed_Change:_Ver_1.3</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Errol</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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0cm 4.0pt'>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href=3D"mailto:dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" =
target=3D"_blank">dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" =
target=3D"_blank">dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 11 March 2012 6:28 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz" =
target=3D"_blank">dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [dq-announce] Guild meeting Minutes - Autumn =
12</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Seagate
Guild of Adventurers<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Guild
Meeting Minutes<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Autumn
812<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'>0)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Gods Bit<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>a)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>E&amp;E playtesting =E2=80=93 Still in progress.&nbsp; Probably =
needs to be
revised.&nbsp; WIP<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>b)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Warrior
testing =E2=80=93 Carry on testing.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>c)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Armourer changes =E2=80=93 Put in as quick fix.&nbsp; Carried =
with two
abstentions<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>d)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Campaign
News<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:117.0pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span>We have
a new King.&nbsp; Married and crowned on the same day<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:117.0pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span>Still
having issues with elves<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:117.0pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span>Tension
and stress caused by lack of food.&nbsp; Strong possibilities of decent =
people
doing bad things out of desperation<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:117.0pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span>New
House on the Planes of Chaos =E2=80=93 the House of =
Midnight<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:117.0pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span>The
guild has a new ornament =E2=80=93 a petrified Blackrod.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>e)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Incorporating the Society<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:117.0pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span>This
was required for legal reasons as we wanted a club bank account in order =
to pay
for Hall Hires, printing the SGT and maintaining the Wiki<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:117.0pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span>Annual
subs of 25 dollars required from players unless you=E2=80=99re a student =
or have a darn
good excuse<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:117.0pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span>Club
Officers (to be up for election at the next AGM):&nbsp; President: =
Stephen,
Secretary: Keith, Treasurer: Errol, Editor: Jacqui, Campaign =
Co-ordinator:
Chris<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'>1)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Adventures Going Out<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>a)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Duncan Bold from Castle Chilton.&nbsp; Find and recover missing
equipment which must be done subtly.&nbsp; Five players med/high.&nbsp; =
Three
short adventures and three weeks per adventure.&nbsp; Mondays, Jono, =
Grey Lynn.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>b)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>A
very shy and nervous Mizuno from Pasifika.&nbsp; Need help dealing to an
outbreak of zombies.&nbsp; Want a party looking for =E2=80=98extreme =
life=E2=80=99 as well as
borrowing high level healers to help deal with the plague.&nbsp; =
Medium/Low,
Thursdays, Keith, Mangere Bridge.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>c)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Investigating a super soldier program in Reich.&nbsp; Low/med =
Jim.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'>2)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Smartest Adventurer<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>a)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Lath =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m the smartest=E2=80=9D =
=E2=80=93 nominated by Lath.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>b)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Caprice.&nbsp;
The party were having death and destruction rained on them from =
above.&nbsp;
Caprice had Ithilmor turn the entire party into starlings so they could =
get up
there and deal to them.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>c)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Michael.&nbsp; Suggested that the frozen in time waterfall, that =
was a
chandelier, should be bound then coruscade cast on it to make it more =
prettier
so it could be used to deal to a Horror. <o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:117.0pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span>Winner
=E2=80=93 Caprice<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'>3)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Bravest Adventurer<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>a)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Tari =E2=80=93 sticking by Merco while he was being shot =
at<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>b)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Michael
=E2=80=93 getting stuck in, without prompting, to battle the =
undead<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:117.0pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span>Winner
=E2=80=93 Michael<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'>4)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Stupidest Adventurer<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>a)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Tari =E2=80=93 standing by Merco while he was being shot =
at<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>b)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Merco
=E2=80=93 still standing there when Tari stepped out of the way of the =
incoming arrows<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>c)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Dalran =E2=80=93 Being ran over by the party, several times, =
while being
indetectable.&nbsp; Also for throwing a non-magical dagger at a =
half-devil.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>d)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Bleyse
=E2=80=93 Faceplanting himself on the back of a bandersnatch while the =
party were
fighting it<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:117.0pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span>Winner
=E2=80=93 Dalran<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'>5)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Best Death<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>a)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Ellinore =E2=80=93 Coming into landing and was shot at by the =
concealed orc
ballista.&nbsp; Crashed into a building while carrying explosive =
grenados<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>b)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Robert
=E2=80=93 clipped trees while flying and impaled himself<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:117.0pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span>Winner
=E2=80=93 Ellinore<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:36.0pt'>6)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Jammiest Bastard Award<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:117.0pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span>No
nominations although Aryan was nominated for having Bound Fire stuck up =
a rear
orifice.<o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p>

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margin-left:36.0pt'>7)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>General Business<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:72.0pt'>a)<span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Seven of the Nine has been seen around the Guild still asking for =
UgBash<o:p></o:p></p>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Guild meeting Minutes - Autumn 12 - Armourer for Rulebook update
FromJim Arona
DateTue, 3 Jun 2014 02:08:51 +1200
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I remain unconvinced.

Getting measurements may take a little longer for armour where you need to
know where the wearer's elbows and knees are, but I cannot believe it will
add that much more time.

I suspect the artisan measures you, make a start on the armour, you come in
for a fitting, they make adjustments and at that point, you have the
finished product or they fit you again for more adjustments.

It's not about how unforgiving the material is, it's about what work can be
productively engaged in to make it any better, and I do not believe that
multiplying the time by a factor of 5 or even 6 times is anything other
than ridiculous.


On 3 June 2014 00:39, Helen Saggers <helen@darksoft.co.nz> wrote:

>  Jim,
>
> I have a real chain mail shirt as well as a vest of leather scale. Over
> the years last 20 + I=E2=80=99ve worn or helped others to don everything =
from Greek
> laminated cotton to full plate mail. I understand how important the prope=
r
> fit it is to the various types.
>
> Fur, Soft leather and chain are  very forgiving armours along the lines o=
f
> =E2=80=9Cwhat size sir large medium or small.?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CWhat wai=
st and long or short in
> the arm/leg.=E2=80=9D
>
> Laminates, plates, and scale take more fitting; chest / shoulder width,
> Shoulder to hip etc. all become important as the more rigid the armour th=
e
> more an improper fit restricts movement. These armours only bend at the
> joints and if the joints are in the wrong place you can=E2=80=99t make fu=
ll
> unrestricted rotation of limbs or bend or reach as necessary. Get it wron=
g
> and you can=E2=80=99t put both arms out to meet ahead of you or bend side=
ways
> without bruised hips or even breathe properly in some cases.
>
> By the time you are dealing with full plate, everything from the length o=
f
> your fingers between each joint to the definition of your muscles and
> thickness and fit of your gambeson effect movement in your exoskeleton. A=
nd
> if you get it even a little wrong the armour can leave welts, pinch in
> important places, bust loose or even lockup on you in combat.
>
>
>
> The fitting times fit with armours, those that are cheap off the shelf
> mass market types that you fit out raw recruits with have low fitting tim=
e,
> near enough is good enough.
>
> The longer times reflect the more time needed by the armourer and the
> wearer to work on getting each piece just so... So that a warrior in full
> kit has the best protection possible, with minimum loss of mobility. And
> that can include something as simple as having the wearer there so that t=
he
> holes in the straps are punched in the right place. It takes many minutes
> to put on plate armour think how much longer it takes to do it the first
> time when your fitting, marking, removing, punching holes, refitting and
> checking. For each piece in turn.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] *On Behalf
> Of *Jim Arona
> *Sent:* Saturday, 31 May 2014 10:34 p.m.
> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> *Subject:* Re: [dq] Guild meeting Minutes - Autumn 12 - Armourer for
> Rulebook update
>
>
>
> =E2=80=8BI don't believe measuring and fitting time will vary depending o=
n
> whatever kind of standard armour is being made.=E2=80=8B It would all tak=
e the
> same time.
>
>
>
> On 31 May 2014 15:49, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com> wrote:
>
> I=E2=80=99ve just noticed that the Armourer changes being passed weren=E2=
=80=99t noted on
> the Agenda on the Wiki (and aren=E2=80=99t in the first public draft of R=
ulebook
> 2014)
>
>
>
>
> http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DGuild_Meeting_March_2012#Ru=
les_Issues
> (I=E2=80=99ve just added vote result)
>
>
> http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DTalk:Armourer#Proposed_Chan=
ge:_Ver_1.3
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Errol
>
>
>
> *From:* dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:
> dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Keith Smith
> *Sent:* Sunday, 11 March 2012 6:28 p.m.
> *To:* dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz
> *Subject:* [dq-announce] Guild meeting Minutes - Autumn 12
>
>
>
> Seagate Guild of Adventurers
>
> Guild Meeting Minutes
>
> Autumn 812
>
>
>
> 0)      Gods Bit
>
> a)      E&E playtesting =E2=80=93 Still in progress.  Probably needs to b=
e
> revised.  WIP
>
> b)     Warrior testing =E2=80=93 Carry on testing.
>
> c)      Armourer changes =E2=80=93 Put in as quick fix.  Carried with two
> abstentions
>
> d)     Campaign News
>
> -   We have a new King.  Married and crowned on the same day
>
> -   Still having issues with elves
>
> -   Tension and stress caused by lack of food.  Strong possibilities of
> decent people doing bad things out of desperation
>
> -   New House on the Planes of Chaos =E2=80=93 the House of Midnight
>
> -   The guild has a new ornament =E2=80=93 a petrified Blackrod.
>
> e)      Incorporating the Society
>
> -   This was required for legal reasons as we wanted a club bank account
> in order to pay for Hall Hires, printing the SGT and maintaining the Wiki
>
> -   Annual subs of 25 dollars required from players unless you=E2=80=99re=
 a
> student or have a darn good excuse
>
> -   Club Officers (to be up for election at the next AGM):  President:
> Stephen, Secretary: Keith, Treasurer: Errol, Editor: Jacqui, Campaign
> Co-ordinator: Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 1)      Adventures Going Out
>
> a)      Duncan Bold from Castle Chilton.  Find and recover missing
> equipment which must be done subtly.  Five players med/high.  Three short
> adventures and three weeks per adventure.  Mondays, Jono, Grey Lynn.
>
> b)     A very shy and nervous Mizuno from Pasifika.  Need help dealing to
> an outbreak of zombies.  Want a party looking for =E2=80=98extreme life=
=E2=80=99 as well as
> borrowing high level healers to help deal with the plague.  Medium/Low,
> Thursdays, Keith, Mangere Bridge.
>
> c)      Investigating a super soldier program in Reich.  Low/med Jim.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2)      Smartest Adventurer
>
> a)      Lath =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m the smartest=E2=80=9D =E2=80=
=93 nominated by Lath.
>
> b)     Caprice.  The party were having death and destruction rained on
> them from above.  Caprice had Ithilmor turn the entire party into starlin=
gs
> so they could get up there and deal to them.
>
> c)      Michael.  Suggested that the frozen in time waterfall, that was a
> chandelier, should be bound then coruscade cast on it to make it more
> prettier so it could be used to deal to a Horror.
>
> -   Winner =E2=80=93 Caprice
>
>
>
> 3)      Bravest Adventurer
>
> a)      Tari =E2=80=93 sticking by Merco while he was being shot at
>
> b)     Michael =E2=80=93 getting stuck in, without prompting, to battle t=
he undead
>
> -   Winner =E2=80=93 Michael
>
>
>
> 4)      Stupidest Adventurer
>
> a)      Tari =E2=80=93 standing by Merco while he was being shot at
>
> b)     Merco =E2=80=93 still standing there when Tari stepped out of the =
way of
> the incoming arrows
>
> c)      Dalran =E2=80=93 Being ran over by the party, several times, whil=
e being
> indetectable.  Also for throwing a non-magical dagger at a half-devil.
>
> d)     Bleyse =E2=80=93 Faceplanting himself on the back of a bandersnatc=
h while
> the party were fighting it
>
> -   Winner =E2=80=93 Dalran
>
>
>
> 5)      Best Death
>
> a)      Ellinore =E2=80=93 Coming into landing and was shot at by the con=
cealed
> orc ballista.  Crashed into a building while carrying explosive grenados
>
> b)     Robert =E2=80=93 clipped trees while flying and impaled himself
>
> -   Winner =E2=80=93 Ellinore
>
>
>
> 6)      Jammiest Bastard Award
>
> -   No nominations although Aryan was nominated for having Bound Fire
> stuck up a rear orifice.
>
>
>
> 7)      General Business
>
> a)      Seven of the Nine has been seen around the Guild still asking for
> UgBash
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,=
serif">I remain unconvinced.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:georgia,serif">
Getting measurements may take a little longer for armour where you need to =
know where the wearer&#39;s elbows and knees are, but I cannot believe it w=
ill add that much more time.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">=
I suspect the artisan measures you, make a start on the armour, you come in=
 for a fitting, they make adjustments and at that point, you have the finis=
hed product or they fit you again for more adjustments.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">It&#39;s n=
ot about how unforgiving the material is, it&#39;s about what work can be p=
roductively engaged in to make it any better, and I do not believe that mul=
tiplying the time by a factor of 5 or even 6 times is anything other than r=
idiculous.</div>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 3 Ju=
ne 2014 00:39, Helen Saggers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:helen@=
darksoft.co.nz" target=3D"_blank">helen@darksoft.co.nz</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">









<div lang=3D"EN-NZ" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Jim, <u></u><u></u></span=
></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I have a real chain mail =
shirt as well as a vest of leather
scale. Over the years last 20 + I=E2=80=99ve worn or helped others to don e=
verything
from Greek laminated cotton to full plate mail. I understand how important =
the proper
fit it is to the various types.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Fur, Soft leather and cha=
in are =C2=A0very forgiving armours along
the lines of =E2=80=9Cwhat size sir large medium or small.?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=
=9CWhat waist and long or
short in the arm/leg.=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Laminates, plates, and sc=
ale take more fitting; chest / shoulder
width, Shoulder to hip etc. all become important as the more rigid the armo=
ur
the more an improper fit restricts movement. These armours only bend at the
joints and if the joints are in the wrong place you can=E2=80=99t make full=
 unrestricted
rotation of limbs or bend or reach as necessary. Get it wrong and you can=
=E2=80=99t put
both arms out to meet ahead of you or bend sideways without bruised hips or
even breathe properly in some cases.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">By the time you are deali=
ng with full plate, everything from the
length of your fingers between each joint to the definition of your muscles=
 and
thickness and fit of your gambeson effect movement in your exoskeleton. And=
 if
you get it even a little wrong the armour can leave welts, pinch in importa=
nt
places, bust loose or even lockup on you in combat.<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">The fitting times fit wit=
h armours, those that are cheap off the
shelf mass market types that you fit out raw recruits with have low fitting
time, near enough is good enough.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">The longer times reflect =
the more time needed by the armourer
and the wearer to work on getting each piece just so... So that a warrior i=
n
full kit has the best protection possible, with minimum loss of mobility. A=
nd
that can include something as simple as having the wearer there so that the
holes in the straps are punched in the right place. It takes many minutes t=
o
put on plate armour think how much longer it takes to do it the first time =
when
your fitting, marking, removing, punching holes, refitting and checking. Fo=
r
each piece in turn.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>

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0cm 0cm">

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_b=
lank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner=
@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Arona<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 31 May 2014 10:34 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.or=
g.nz</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [dq] Guild meeting Minutes - Autumn 12 - Armourer for
Rulebook update<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=8B<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Georgia&qu=
ot;,&quot;serif&quot;">I don&#39;t believe
measuring and fitting time will vary depending on whatever kind of standard
armour is being made.</span>=E2=80=8B<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Georg=
ia&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"> It
would all take the same time.</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Georgi=
a&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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</div>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 31 May 2014 15:49, Errol Cavit &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" target=3D"_blank">Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com<=
/a>&gt;
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I=E2=80=99ve
just noticed that the Armourer changes being passed weren=E2=80=99t noted o=
n the Agenda
on the Wiki (and aren=E2=80=99t in the first public draft of Rulebook 2014)=
</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"http://www.dq-=
nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DGuild_Meeting_March_2012#Rules_Issues" targ=
et=3D"_blank">http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DGuild_Meeting_M=
arch_2012#Rules_Issues</a>
(I=E2=80=99ve just added vote result)</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"http://www.dq-=
nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DTalk:Armourer#Proposed_Change:_Ver_1.3" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=3DTalk:Armourer#=
Proposed_Change:_Ver_1.3</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Cheers</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Errol</span><u></u><u></u=
></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>

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4.0pt">

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" tar=
get=3D"_blank">dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank"=
>dq-announce-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 11 March 2012 6:28 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-announce@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq=
-announce@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [dq-announce] Guild meeting Minutes - Autumn 12</span><u></=
u><u></u></p>

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</div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Seagate
Guild of Adventurers<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Guild
Meeting Minutes<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Autumn
812<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">0)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Gods Bit<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">a)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>E&amp;E playtesting =E2=80=93 Still in progress.=C2=A0 Probably need=
s to be
revised.=C2=A0 WIP<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">b)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>Warrior
testing =E2=80=93 Carry on testing.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">c)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Armourer changes =E2=80=93 Put in as quick fix.=C2=A0 Carried with t=
wo
abstentions<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">d)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>Campaign
News<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:117.0pt">-<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>We have
a new King.=C2=A0 Married and crowned on the same day<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:117.0pt">-<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>Still
having issues with elves<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:117.0pt">-<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>Tension
and stress caused by lack of food.=C2=A0 Strong possibilities of decent peo=
ple
doing bad things out of desperation<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:117.0pt">-<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>New
House on the Planes of Chaos =E2=80=93 the House of Midnight<u></u><u></u><=
/p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:117.0pt">-<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>The
guild has a new ornament =E2=80=93 a petrified Blackrod.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">e)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Incorporating the Society<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:117.0pt">-<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>This
was required for legal reasons as we wanted a club bank account in order to=
 pay
for Hall Hires, printing the SGT and maintaining the Wiki<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:117.0pt">-<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>Annual
subs of 25 dollars required from players unless you=E2=80=99re a student or=
 have a darn
good excuse<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:117.0pt">-<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>Club
Officers (to be up for election at the next AGM):=C2=A0 President: Stephen,
Secretary: Keith, Treasurer: Errol, Editor: Jacqui, Campaign Co-ordinator:
Chris<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">1)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Adventures Going Out<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">a)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Duncan Bold from Castle Chilton.=C2=A0 Find and recover missing
equipment which must be done subtly.=C2=A0 Five players med/high.=C2=A0 Thr=
ee
short adventures and three weeks per adventure.=C2=A0 Mondays, Jono, Grey L=
ynn.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">b)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>A
very shy and nervous Mizuno from Pasifika.=C2=A0 Need help dealing to an
outbreak of zombies.=C2=A0 Want a party looking for =E2=80=98extreme life=
=E2=80=99 as well as
borrowing high level healers to help deal with the plague.=C2=A0 Medium/Low=
,
Thursdays, Keith, Mangere Bridge.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">c)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Investigating a super soldier program in Reich.=C2=A0 Low/med Jim.<u=
></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">2)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Smartest Adventurer<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">a)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Lath =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m the smartest=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 =
nominated by Lath.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">b)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>Caprice.=C2=A0
The party were having death and destruction rained on them from above.=C2=
=A0
Caprice had Ithilmor turn the entire party into starlings so they could get=
 up
there and deal to them.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">c)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Michael.=C2=A0 Suggested that the frozen in time waterfall, that was=
 a
chandelier, should be bound then coruscade cast on it to make it more prett=
ier
so it could be used to deal to a Horror. <u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:117.0pt">-<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>Winner
=E2=80=93 Caprice<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">3)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Bravest Adventurer<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">a)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Tari =E2=80=93 sticking by Merco while he was being shot at<u></u><u=
></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">b)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>Michael
=E2=80=93 getting stuck in, without prompting, to battle the undead<u></u><=
u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:117.0pt">-<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>Winner
=E2=80=93 Michael<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">4)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Stupidest Adventurer<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">a)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Tari =E2=80=93 standing by Merco while he was being shot at<u></u><u=
></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">b)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>Merco
=E2=80=93 still standing there when Tari stepped out of the way of the inco=
ming arrows<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">c)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Dalran =E2=80=93 Being ran over by the party, several times, while b=
eing
indetectable.=C2=A0 Also for throwing a non-magical dagger at a half-devil.=
<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">d)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>Bleyse
=E2=80=93 Faceplanting himself on the back of a bandersnatch while the part=
y were
fighting it<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:117.0pt">-<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>Winner
=E2=80=93 Dalran<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">5)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Best Death<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">a)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Ellinore =E2=80=93 Coming into landing and was shot at by the concea=
led orc
ballista.=C2=A0 Crashed into a building while carrying explosive grenados<u=
></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt">b)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>Robert
=E2=80=93 clipped trees while flying and impaled himself<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:117.0pt">-<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>Winner
=E2=80=93 Ellinore<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">6)<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Jammiest Bastard Award<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:117.0pt">-<span style=3D"font-s=
ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>No
nominations although Aryan was nominated for having Bound Fire stuck up a r=
ear
orifice.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>

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ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>General Business<u></u><u></u></p>

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ize:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>Seven of the Nine has been seen around the Guild still asking for Ug=
Bash<u></u><u></u></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>

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SubjectRe: [dq] 2014 edition rulebook
FromStephen Martin
DateTue, 3 Jun 2014 17:52:22 +1200
Same binding as last time, what they call Thermal binding  metal spine and transparent cover
front and back.

Quotes are $12 for the 3-col version, $16 for the 2-col large print version.

Please list your orders on the wiki by the end of Thursday so I can give them final numbers on
Friday.
Cash for books on Sunday at the guild meeting, or preferably deposit the money in the club
account before then.

Not everyone is on the email list, please check with those on your games if they want a copy
printed and let them know what they need to do.

Cheers, Stephen.

On Mon, June 2, 2014 11:57 am, Kelsie McArthur wrote:
> I expect that they will be the same binding as last time.
>
>  Steve is in charge of that.
>
>
> On 2 June 2014 08:23, Chris Caulfield <chriscaulf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> will the ordered rulebooks be hardbound or simply printed pdf?
>> A new edition of the rulebook will be available at the June guild meeting.
>>
>> to place your orders go to
>> http://www.dq-nz.org/dqwiki/index.php?title=Rulebook_Orders
>>
>


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Subject[dq] SGT time again
FromJacqui Smith
DateTue, 03 Jun 2014 20:48:25 +1200
Hello, fellow adventurers!

It's that time of the season again. You can send contributions directly 
to me at flamis@slingshot.co.nz

Time to get working on those contributions. You'll get paid in EP, 
(increased to 5EP per word rounding up, so 500 words nets you 2500 EP) 
and if you contributed part of an ongoing series last time you'll get a 
500 EP bonus this time. I'm also awarding an EP bonus for appropriate 
pictures - which should in black and white and preferably line drawings 
matching the current style of the SGT.

Scribes should start writing up your adventure reports now, even if 
you're not finished. Even a one or two paragraph summary would be 
appreciated, and makes a nice bonus to your scribing XP for not a lot of 
work.

Don't forget the classifieds - anything to sell?

Remember, it's your contributions that make it a great Seagate Times.

Jacqui


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