Subject[dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting
FromKelsie McArthur
DateMon, 28 Jul 2014 12:08:24 +1200
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1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill used to give 2% per rank. The change to spy
changed it to 1% per rank. The text in stealth has not changed. We need to
pick one. I would suggest sticking with 2% as most people have not noticed
the change,  and many people have 2% in their spread sheets.

2) Blowgun has no damage and notes which say: * The damage done by a
blowgun dart depends upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs to
change to the same as venomous animals, which have damage that only applies
for purposes of bypassing armour.

Kelsie

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill used to give 2% pe=
r rank. The change to spy changed it to 1% per rank. The text in stealth ha=
s not changed. We need to pick one. I would suggest sticking with 2% as mos=
t people have not noticed the change,=C2=A0 and many people have 2% in thei=
r spread sheets.<br>
<br></div>2) Blowgun has no damage and notes which say: * The damage done b=
y a blowgun dart depends upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs=
 to change to the same as venomous animals, which have damage that only app=
lies for purposes of bypassing armour.<br>
<br></div>Kelsie<br></div>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting
FromJim Arona
DateMon, 28 Jul 2014 12:33:14 +1200
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"1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill used to give 2% per rank. The change to spy
changed it to 1% per rank. The text in stealth has not changed. We need to
pick one. I would suggest sticking with 2% as most people have not noticed
the change,  and many people have 2% in their spread sheets."

I agree, but it is impossible to know what's in most people's spreadsheet,
so this isn't an argument for it.

"2) Blowgun has no damage and notes which say: * The damage done by a
blowgun dart depends upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs to
change to the same as venomous animals, which have damage that only applies
for purposes of bypassing armour."

This is because you have to get a blow directly to EN against someone
wearing armour. They are used to bring down small game like squirrel
monkeys, etc. They are a weird freaky weapon, and unless magical, are
ineffective. The rule is reflective and needs no change.


On 28 July 2014 12:08, Kelsie McArthur <kelsiemca@gmail.com> wrote:

> 1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill used to give 2% per rank. The change to spy
> changed it to 1% per rank. The text in stealth has not changed. We need to
> pick one. I would suggest sticking with 2% as most people have not noticed
> the change,  and many people have 2% in their spread sheets.
>
> 2) Blowgun has no damage and notes which say: * The damage done by a
> blowgun dart depends upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs to
> change to the same as venomous animals, which have damage that only applies
> for purposes of bypassing armour.
>
> Kelsie
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"georgia, =
serif">&quot;1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill used to give 2% per rank. The ch=
ange to spy changed it to 1% per rank. The text in stealth has not changed.=
 We need to pick one. I would suggest sticking with 2% as most people have =
not noticed the change, =C2=A0and many people have 2% in their spread sheet=
s.&quot;<br>
</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"georgia, seri=
f"><br></font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"georgi=
a, serif">I agree, but it is impossible to know what&#39;s in most people&#=
39;s spreadsheet, so this isn&#39;t an argument for it.</font></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"georgia, serif"><br></font=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style><font face=3D"georgia, serif">&qu=
ot;<span style=3D"font-size:13px">2) Blowgun has no damage and notes which =
say: * The damage done by a blowgun dart depends upon the substance which c=
oats the tip. This needs to change to the same as venomous animals, which h=
ave damage that only applies for purposes of bypassing armour.&quot;</span>=
</font></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style><span style=3D"font-size:13px"><font fac=
e=3D"georgia, serif"><br></font></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle><span style=3D"font-size:13px"><font face=3D"georgia, serif">This is b=
ecause you have to get a blow directly to EN against someone wearing armour=
. They are used to bring down small game like squirrel monkeys, etc. They a=
re a weird freaky weapon, and unless magical, are ineffective. The rule is =
reflective and needs no change.</font></span></div>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 28 J=
uly 2014 12:08, Kelsie McArthur <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kel=
siemca@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kelsiemca@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>1) Spy/stealth: t=
he spy skill used to give 2% per rank. The change to spy changed it to 1% p=
er rank. The text in stealth has not changed. We need to pick one. I would =
suggest sticking with 2% as most people have not noticed the change,=C2=A0 =
and many people have 2% in their spread sheets.<br>

<br></div>2) Blowgun has no damage and notes which say: * The damage done b=
y a blowgun dart depends upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs=
 to change to the same as venomous animals, which have damage that only app=
lies for purposes of bypassing armour.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D=
"#888888"><br>

<br></font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">Kels=
ie<br></font></span></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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SubjectRe: [dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting
FromDean Ellis
DateSun, 27 Jul 2014 18:35:02 -0700
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Blowgun - The requirement for an EN blow is implicit, but probably should b=
e explicit. Basically "if you=A0puncture the skin, then the poison takes ef=
fect" is how I read it, so perhaps it could be better stated. Having said t=
hat, why bother spending effort on a weapon that I have never seen used in =
20+ years of playing :-)=0A=A0=0AStealth - Less trivial might be looking at=
 Stealth bonuses from skills overall. Why are assassins seen as more stealt=
hy than spies and thieves? Should the stealth skills stack, as they current=
ly do? Having said that, ranger gives a bigger bonus than all in certain ci=
rcumstances, but it does not stack. Worth trying to fix, or not broken othe=
r than the Spy text mismatch?=0A=A0=0AAdding an additional item:=0A=A0=0AOu=
t of College Counterspells - Are they General or Special Knowledge? The mai=
n impact is the mana cost to cast. I can see no specific reference in the r=
ule book, with the following snips being as close as it gets:Adepts learn b=
oth Counterspells of their own college as part of their General Knowledge.C=
haracters may learn Counterspells from colleges other than their own. The C=
ounterspells of other colleges are practised at Rank 0 and may not be ranke=
d.=0A=A0=0AI have inferred that all counters are Generals, while Stephen ha=
s inferred that out of college equals Special. What do other people think, =
and do we need a specific ruling added to the rulebook?=0A=A0=0ACheers,=0A=
=A0=0ADean=0A=A0 =0A=0A=0AOn Monday, July 28, 2014 12:33 PM, Jim Arona <jim=
.arona@gmail.com> wrote:=0A  =0A=0A=0A"1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill used t=
o give 2% per rank. The change to spy changed it to 1% per rank. The text i=
n stealth has not changed. We need to pick one. I would suggest sticking wi=
th 2% as most people have not noticed the change, =A0and many people have 2=
% in their spread sheets."=0A=0A=0AI agree, but it is impossible to know wh=
at's in most people's spreadsheet, so this isn't an argument for it. =0A=0A=
"2) Blowgun has no damage and notes which say: * The damage done by a blowg=
un dart depends upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs to chang=
e to the same as venomous animals, which have damage that only applies for =
purposes of bypassing armour." =0A=0AThis is because you have to get a blow=
 directly to EN against someone wearing armour. They are used to bring down=
 small game like squirrel monkeys, etc. They are a weird freaky weapon, and=
 unless magical, are ineffective. The rule is reflective and needs no chang=
e. =0A=0A=0A=0AOn 28 July 2014 12:08, Kelsie McArthur <kelsiemca@gmail.com>=
 wrote:=0A=0A1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill used to give 2% per rank. The ch=
ange to spy changed it to 1% per rank. The text in stealth has not changed.=
 We need to pick one. I would suggest sticking with 2% as most people have =
not noticed the change,=A0 and many people have 2% in their spread sheets.=
=0A>=0A>2) Blowgun has no damage and notes which say: * The damage done by =
a blowgun dart depends upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs t=
o change to the same as venomous animals, which have damage that only appli=
es for purposes of bypassing armour.=0A>=0A>Kelsie=0A> 
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:12pt"><div>Blowgun - The requirement for an EN blow is implicit, bu=
t probably should be explicit. Basically "if you&nbsp;puncture the skin, th=
en the poison takes effect" is how I read it, so perhaps it could be better=
 stated. Having said that, why bother spending effort on a weapon that I ha=
ve never seen used in 20+ years of playing :-)</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>S=
tealth - Less trivial might be looking at Stealth bonuses from skills overa=
ll. Why are assassins seen as more stealthy than spies and thieves? Should =
the stealth skills stack, as they currently do? Having said that, ranger gi=
ves a bigger bonus than all in certain circumstances, but it does not stack=
. Worth trying to fix, or not broken other than the Spy text mismatch?</div=
><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Adding an additional
 item:</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Out of College Counterspells - Are they G=
eneral or Special Knowledge? The main impact is the mana cost to cast. I ca=
n see no specific reference in the rule book, with the following snips bein=
g as close as it gets:</div><font size=3D"1" face=3D"NimbusRomNo9L-Regu"><f=
ont size=3D"1" face=3D"NimbusRomNo9L-Regu"><div align=3D"LEFT">Adepts learn=
 both Counterspells of their own college as part of their General Knowledge=
.</div><font size=3D"1" face=3D"NimbusRomNo9L-Regu"><font size=3D"1" face=
=3D"NimbusRomNo9L-Regu"><div align=3D"LEFT">Characters may learn Counterspe=
lls from colleges other than their own. The Counterspells of other colleges=
 are practised at Rank 0 and may not be ranked.</div></font></font></font><=
/font><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I have inferred that all counters are Generals,=
 while Stephen has inferred that out of college equals Special. What do oth=
er people think, and do we need a specific ruling added to the
 rulebook?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Cheers,</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>De=
an</div><div>&nbsp;</div> <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div s=
tyle=3D"display: block;" class=3D"yahoo_quoted"> <div style=3D"font-family:=
 HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Ne=
ue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div di=
r=3D"ltr"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Monday, July 28, 2014 12:33 =
PM, Jim Arona &lt;jim.arona@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br> </font> </div>  <br><b=
r> <div><div id=3D"yiv1222539741"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><font face=3D"=
georgia, serif">"1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill used to give 2% per rank. Th=
e change to spy changed it to 1% per rank. The text in stealth has not chan=
ged. We need to pick one. I would suggest sticking with 2% as most people h=
ave not noticed the change, &nbsp;and many people have 2% in their spread s=
heets."<br
 clear=3D"none">=0A</font></div><div><font face=3D"georgia, serif"><br clea=
r=3D"none"></font></div><div><font face=3D"georgia, serif">I agree, but it =
is impossible to know what's in most people's spreadsheet, so this isn't an=
 argument for it.</font></div>=0A<div><font face=3D"georgia, serif"><br cle=
ar=3D"none"></font></div><div><font face=3D"georgia, serif">"<span style=3D=
"font-size: 13px;">2) Blowgun has no damage and notes which say: * The dama=
ge done by a blowgun dart depends upon the substance which coats the tip. T=
his needs to change to the same as venomous animals, which have damage that=
 only applies for purposes of bypassing armour."</span></font></div>=0A<div=
><span style=3D"font-size: 13px;"><font face=3D"georgia, serif"><br clear=
=3D"none"></font></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 13px;"><font f=
ace=3D"georgia, serif">This is because you have to get a blow directly to E=
N against someone wearing armour. They are used to bring down small game li=
ke squirrel monkeys, etc. They are a weird freaky weapon, and unless magica=
l, are ineffective. The rule is reflective and needs no change.</font></spa=
n></div>=0A</div><div id=3D"yiv1222539741yqt09245"><div><br clear=3D"none">=
<br clear=3D"none"><div>On 28 July 2014 12:08, Kelsie McArthur <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kelsiemca@gmail.com" shape=3D"rect" rel=3D"nofo=
llow" target=3D"_blank" ymailto=3D"mailto:kelsiemca@gmail.com">kelsiemca@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">=0A<blockquote style=3D"mar=
gin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204,=
 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div><div>1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill used to give 2% per rank. The chang=
e to spy changed it to 1% per rank. The text in stealth has not changed. We=
 need to pick one. I would suggest sticking with 2% as most people have not=
 noticed the change,&nbsp; and many people have 2% in their spread sheets.<=
br clear=3D"none">=0A=0A<br clear=3D"none"></div>2) Blowgun has no damage a=
nd notes which say: * The damage done by a blowgun dart depends upon the su=
bstance which coats the tip. This needs to change to the same as venomous a=
nimals, which have damage that only applies for purposes of bypassing armou=
r.<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br clear=3D"none">=0A=0A<br clear=3D"none"=
></font></span></div><span><font color=3D"#888888">Kelsie<br clear=3D"none"=
></font></span></div>=0A</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"none"></div></div><=
/div></div><br><br></div>  </div> </div>  </div> </div></body></html>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting
FromErrol Cavit
DateMon, 28 Jul 2014 14:25:33 +1200
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SubjectRe: [dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting
FromIan Wood
DateSun, 27 Jul 2014 19:40:19 -0700
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Poisons: do they work in DQ?=0A=0AIt seems from a polite look at the intern=
et that poisons either:=0A=C2=A0- Have major effects on a human sized perso=
n over time or=0A=C2=A0- Have minor effects on a human sized person immedia=
tely.=0A=0Awould require poisons to be re-evaulated within DQ - is there a =
need? How many GMs allow poison use?=0A=0AFor example: the yellow skinned f=
rog toxin causes the muscles to relax over time (minutes?), but so what in =
the context of DQ? And do we want it.=0AIan=0A=0A=0A=0A>___________________=
_____________=0A> From: Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com>=0A>To: dq@d=
q.sf.org.nz =0A>Sent: Monday, 28 July 2014 2:25 PM=0A>Subject: Re: [dq] Tri=
vial rules stuff for next meeting=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 I think a reminder 8 years after a change comes into effect for p=
eople to update their calcs is ..um.. timely? I=E2=80=99d prefer updating S=
tealth to reflect the subsequent Spy change, but no biggy.=0A>2)=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Various venomous animals have entries like:=0A>Weapon=
s=0A>Asps may bite. Poison occurs after effective damage.=0A>Bite: BC 65%, =
[D =E2=80=93 3] penetration only, Close, Rank 0.=0A>Poison: 2 DP per pulse.=
=0A>=C2=A0=0A>So =C2=A0the note should be expanded to give a DM, for penetr=
ation only (currently kind-off assumed to be D+0?). Add a pointer to enveno=
med weapons in Combat 6.13 Weapons?=0A>=C2=A0=0A>3)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Kind-of related, Note F should start with =E2=80=98Up to three throw=
ing darts may be=E2=80=A6=E2=80=99, to match the entry in the weapon table.=
=0A>4)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Note H (Grenadoes) has been over-short=
ened at some point, and now gets lost in the middle. The Alchemist write-up=
s for greek fire and methane are also poor, but that isn=E2=80=99t the note=
=E2=80=99s fault!=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Cheers=0A>Errol =0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=0A>=
=0A>=0A>From:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] On Behalf=
 Of Kelsie McArthur=0A>Sent: Monday, 28 July 2014 12:08 p.m.=0A>To: dq@dq.s=
f.org.nz=0A>Subject: [dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting=0A>=C2=A0=0A=
>1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill used to give 2% per rank. The change to spy =
changed it to 1% per rank. The text in stealth has not changed. We need to =
pick one. I would suggest sticking with 2% as most people have not noticed =
the change,=C2=A0 and many people have 2% in their spread sheets.=0A>2) Blo=
wgun has no damage and notes which say: * The damage done by a blowgun dart=
 depends upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs to change to th=
e same as venomous animals, which have damage that only applies for purpose=
s of bypassing armour.=0A>Kelsie=0A>=0A>
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lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;fo=
nt-size:12pt"><div><span>Poisons: do they work in DQ?</span></div><div styl=
e=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helve=
tica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif; background-color: trans=
parent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style=3D"color: rg=
b(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helv=
etica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif; background-color: transparent; font-s=
tyle: normal;"><span>It seems from a polite look at the internet that poiso=
ns either:</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; =
font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,San=
s-Serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>&nbsp;- =
Have major effects on a human sized person over time or</span></div><div
 style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,=
Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif; background-color: =
transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>&nbsp;- Have minor effects on a hum=
an sized person immediately.</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);=
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,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: norma=
l;"><br><span></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16=
px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande=
,Sans-Serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>woul=
d require poisons to be re-evaulated within DQ - is there a need? How many =
GMs allow poison use?</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-s=
ize: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida=
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 normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-si=
ze: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida =
Grande,Sans-Serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><spa=
n>For example: the yellow skinned frog toxin causes the muscles to relax ov=
er time (minutes?), but so what in the context of DQ? And do we want it.</s=
pan></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: =
HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif; back=
ground-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div>Ian<=
br><span></span><div><br></div><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid =
rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">  =
<div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,=
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> <hr
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t:bold;">From:</span></b> Errol Cavit &lt;Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com&gt;<br>=
 <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz <br> =
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 28 July 2014=
 2:25 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: =
[dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"=
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yle=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"><span style=3D"">1)<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">I think a reminder 8 years after a change comes=
 into effect for people to update their calcs is ..um.. timely? I=E2=80=99d=
 prefer updating Stealth to reflect the subsequent Spy change, but no biggy=
..</span></div><div class=3D"yiv6886920226MsoListParagraph" style=3D""><span=
 style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"><span style=3D"">2)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt;"=
>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">Various venomous animals have entries like:</span></div><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv6886920226MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2p=
t;margin-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white;"><b><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Weapons</span></b></div><div
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..2pt;margin-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white;"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Asps may bite. Poison occurs after effective damage.=
</span></div><div class=3D"yiv6886920226MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0c=
m;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:whit=
e;"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Bite</span></b><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;">: BC 65%, [D =E2=80=93 3] penetration only, Close, Rank 0.</=
span></div><div class=3D"yiv6886920226MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;=
margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white;=
"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Poison</span></b><span style=3D"font=
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Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D=
"yiv6886920226MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">So &nbsp;the not=
e should be expanded to give a
 DM, for penetration only (currently kind-off assumed to be D+0?). Add a po=
inter to envenomed weapons in Combat 6.13 Weapons?</span></div><div class=
=3D"yiv6886920226MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span=
></div><div class=3D"yiv6886920226MsoListParagraph" style=3D""><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"><span style=3D"">3)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt;">&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.=
0pt;">Kind-of related, Note F should start with =E2=80=98Up to three throwi=
ng darts may be=E2=80=A6=E2=80=99, to match the entry in the weapon table.<=
/span></div><div class=3D"yiv6886920226MsoListParagraph" style=3D""><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"><span style=3D"">4)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><span style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;">Note H (Grenadoes) has been over-shortened at some point, and now=
 gets lost in the middle. The Alchemist write-ups for greek fire and methan=
e are also poor, but that isn=E2=80=99t the
 note=E2=80=99s fault!</span></div><div class=3D"yiv6886920226MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv688692=
0226MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">Cheers</span></div><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv6886920226MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">Errol </sp=
an></div><div class=3D"yiv6886920226MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.=
0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv6886920226MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br=
><br></div><div class=3D"yiv6886920226yqt7882994662" id=3D"yiv6886920226yqt=
22238"><div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0=
cm 0cm 4.0pt;"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0p=
t;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div class=3D"yiv6886920226MsoNormal"><b><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@=
dq.sf.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of
 </b>Kelsie McArthur<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 28 July 2014 12=
:08 p.m.<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> dq@dq.sf.org.nz<br clear=3D"none"><b>=
Subject:</b> [dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting</span></div></div></=
div><div class=3D"yiv6886920226MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div><div><div><div><div =
class=3D"yiv6886920226MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">1) Spy/ste=
alth: the spy skill used to give 2% per rank. The change to spy changed it =
to 1% per rank. The text in stealth has not changed. We need to pick one. I=
 would suggest sticking with 2% as most people have not noticed the change,=
&nbsp; and many people have 2% in their spread sheets.</div></div><div clas=
s=3D"yiv6886920226MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">2) Blowgun has=
 no damage and notes which say: * The damage done by a blowgun dart depends=
 upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs to change to the same a=
s venomous animals, which have damage that only applies for purposes of byp=
assing
 armour.</div></div><div class=3D"yiv6886920226MsoNormal">Kelsie</div></div=
></div></div></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote><d=
iv></div>   </div></body></html>
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SubjectRe: [dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting
FromJim Arona
DateMon, 28 Jul 2014 19:25:51 +1200
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"It seems from a polite look at the internet that poisons either:
 - Have major effects on a human sized person over time or
 - Have minor effects on a human sized person immediately.
=E2=80=8B"

There are a few that have an immediate and reasonably dramatic effect.
Curare, for example.
But in general, the vast majority of poisons do very little harm in the
short term. Mind you, the same could be said of most gunshot wounds, and
many of these might be fatal an hour or so later.



On 28 July 2014 14:40, Ian Wood <dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> Poisons: do they work in DQ?
>
> It seems from a polite look at the internet that poisons either:
>  - Have major effects on a human sized person over time or
>  - Have minor effects on a human sized person immediately.
>
> would require poisons to be re-evaulated within DQ - is there a need? How
> many GMs allow poison use?
>
> For example: the yellow skinned frog toxin causes the muscles to relax
> over time (minutes?), but so what in the context of DQ? And do we want it=
.
>
> Ian
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com>
> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> *Sent:* Monday, 28 July 2014 2:25 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting
>
> 1)      I think a reminder 8 years after a change comes into effect for
> people to update their calcs is ..um.. timely? I=E2=80=99d prefer updatin=
g Stealth
> to reflect the subsequent Spy change, but no biggy..
> 2)      Various venomous animals have entries like:
> *Weapons*
> Asps may bite. Poison occurs after effective damage.
> *Bite*: BC 65%, [D =E2=80=93 3] penetration only, Close, Rank 0.
> *Poison*: 2 DP per pulse.
>
> So  the note should be expanded to give a DM, for penetration only
> (currently kind-off assumed to be D+0?). Add a pointer to envenomed weapo=
ns
> in Combat 6.13 Weapons?
>
> 3)      Kind-of related, Note F should start with =E2=80=98Up to three th=
rowing
> darts may be=E2=80=A6=E2=80=99, to match the entry in the weapon table.
> 4)      Note H (Grenadoes) has been over-shortened at some point, and now
> gets lost in the middle. The Alchemist write-ups for greek fire and metha=
ne
> are also poor, but that isn=E2=80=99t the note=E2=80=99s fault!
>
> Cheers
> Errol
>
>
>
>
> *From:* dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelsie McArthur
> *Sent:* Monday, 28 July 2014 12:08 p.m.
> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> *Subject:* [dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting
>
> 1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill used to give 2% per rank. The change to spy
> changed it to 1% per rank. The text in stealth has not changed. We need t=
o
> pick one. I would suggest sticking with 2% as most people have not notice=
d
> the change,  and many people have 2% in their spread sheets.
> 2) Blowgun has no damage and notes which say: * The damage done by a
> blowgun dart depends upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs t=
o
> change to the same as venomous animals, which have damage that only appli=
es
> for purposes of bypassing armour.
> Kelsie
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,=
serif">&quot;<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,&#39=
;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:16px;background-color:transparent">It seems from a polite look at th=
e internet that poisons either:</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,&#39;Helvetica Neu=
e&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;,sans-serif;font-size:16px;ba=
ckground-color:transparent">=C2=A0- Have major effects on a human sized per=
son over time or</div>
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e&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;,sans-serif;font-size:16px;ba=
ckground-color:transparent">=C2=A0- Have minor effects on a human sized per=
son immediately.<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,s=
erif;display:inline">
=E2=80=8B&quot;</div></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helve=
ticaNeue,&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;,s=
ans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent"><div class=3D"gmail_=
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<br></div></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,&#=
39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;,sans-serif;f=
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yle=3D"font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline">
There are a few that have an immediate and reasonably dramatic effect. Cura=
re, for example.</div></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helv=
eticaNeue,&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;,=
sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif;display:inl=
ine">But in general, the vast majority of poisons do very little harm in th=
e short term. Mind you, the same could be said of most gunshot wounds, and =
many of these might be fatal an hour or so later.</div>
</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,&#39;Helveti=
ca Neue&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;,sans-serif;font-size:1=
6px;background-color:transparent"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:georgia,serif;display:inline">
<br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On 28 July 2014 14:40, Ian Wood <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz" target=3D"_blank">dawnhaven@xtra.co.nz</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-col=
or:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Gra=
nde,Sans-Serif;font-size:12pt">
<div><span>Poisons: do they work in DQ?</span></div><div style=3D"color:rgb=
(0,0,0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,A=
rial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:norma=
l">
<br><span></span></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;font-f=
amily:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif=
;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal"><span>It seems from a poli=
te look at the internet that poisons either:</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Hel=
vetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;background-color:trans=
parent;font-style:normal"><span>=C2=A0- Have major effects on a human sized=
 person over time or</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Hel=
vetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;background-color:trans=
parent;font-style:normal"><span>=C2=A0- Have minor effects on a human sized=
 person immediately.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Hel=
vetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;background-color:trans=
parent;font-style:normal"><br><span></span></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,=
0,0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Aria=
l,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal">
<span>would require poisons to be re-evaulated within DQ - is there a need?=
 How many GMs allow poison use?</span></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);=
font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Luc=
ida Grande,Sans-Serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal">
<br><span></span></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;font-f=
amily:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif=
;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal"><span>For example: the yel=
low skinned frog toxin causes the muscles to relax over time (minutes?), bu=
t so what in the context of DQ? And do we want it.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Hel=
vetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;background-color:trans=
parent;font-style:normal"><span><br></span></div>Ian<br><span></span><div>
<br></div><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-=
left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px">  <div style=3D"font-family:Helve=
ticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;font-size:=
12pt">
 <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:1=
2pt"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font face=3D"Arial"> <b><span sty=
le=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Errol Cavit &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" target=3D"_blank">Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com</a>&=
gt;<br>
 <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq@dq=
.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 28 July 2014 2:25 PM<br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [dq] Trivial rules stuff=
 for next meeting<br>
 </font> </div> <div><br><div><div><div><div><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t"><span>1)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span=
></span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I think a reminder 8 years =
after a change comes into effect for people to update their calcs is ..um..=
 timely? I=E2=80=99d prefer updating Stealth to reflect the subsequent Spy =
change, but no biggy..</span></div>
<div class=3D""><div><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><span>2)<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span></span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Various venomous animals have entries like:</span=
></div><div style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:36.0p=
t;line-height:14.3pt;background:white">
<b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Weapons</span></b></div><div><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Asps may bite. Poison occurs after effective damage.=
</span></div><div style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left=
:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white">
<b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Bite</span></b><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt">: BC 65%, [D =E2=80=93 3] penetration only, Close, Rank 0.</span><=
/div><div style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:36.0pt;=
line-height:14.3pt;background:white">
<b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Poison</span></b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt">: 2 DP per pulse.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt"> =C2=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">So =C2=A0the =
note should be expanded to give a
 DM, for penetration only (currently kind-off assumed to be D+0?). Add a po=
inter to envenomed weapons in Combat 6.13 Weapons?</span></div><div><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> =C2=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt"><span>3)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
</span></span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Kind-of related, Note=
 F should start with =E2=80=98Up to three throwing darts may be=E2=80=A6=E2=
=80=99, to match the entry in the weapon table.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><span>4)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span></span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11.0pt">Note H (Grenadoes) has been over-shortened at some point, and now=
 gets lost in the middle. The Alchemist write-ups for greek fire and methan=
e are also poor, but that isn=E2=80=99t the
 note=E2=80=99s fault!</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> =
=C2=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Cheers</span></div=
><div><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Errol </span></div><div><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> =C2=A0</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> =C2=A0</span></div><div><br><br></di=
v><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0=
cm 0cm 4.0pt"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt=
;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<div><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt" lang=3D"EN-US"> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq=
.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"=
mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of
 </b>Kelsie McArthur<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 28 July 2014 12=
:08 p.m.<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> [dq] =
Trivial rules stuff for next meeting</span></div>
</div></div><div> =C2=A0</div><div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-bottom:12=
.0pt">1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill used to give 2% per rank. The change to=
 spy changed it to 1% per rank. The text in stealth has not changed. We nee=
d to pick one. I would suggest sticking with 2% as most people have not not=
iced the change,=C2=A0 and many people have 2% in their spread sheets.</div=
>
</div><div style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">2) Blowgun has no damage and note=
s which say: * The damage done by a blowgun dart depends upon the substance=
 which coats the tip. This needs to change to the same as venomous animals,=
 which have damage that only applies for purposes of bypassing
 armour.</div></div><div>Kelsie</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></=
div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote><div></div>   </div></div></b=
lockquote></div><br></div>

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FromJim Arona
DateMon, 28 Jul 2014 19:34:39 +1200
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What deficiency does this rule change on blow guns address?

Because, if the answer that it makes the rules more consistent, then stop
now before you create a problem where none exists.

Blowgun use is not a standard part of the game environment, although there
is no reason to exclude it from play, there is also no reason to make it
productive that more of it would be seen. Currently, it's an impractical
weapon in the way the rules describe them, and so disbelief acts as
friction against their overuse.



On 28 July 2014 14:25, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com> wrote:

> 1)      I think a reminder 8 years after a change comes into effect for
> people to update their calcs is ..um.. timely? I=E2=80=99d prefer updatin=
g Stealth
> to reflect the subsequent Spy change, but no biggy.
>
> 2)      Various venomous animals have entries like:
>
> *Weapons*
>
> Asps may bite. Poison occurs after effective damage.
>
> *Bite*: BC 65%, [D =E2=80=93 3] penetration only, Close, Rank 0.
>
> *Poison*: 2 DP per pulse.
>
>
>
> So  the note should be expanded to give a DM, for penetration only
> (currently kind-off assumed to be D+0?). Add a pointer to envenomed weapo=
ns
> in Combat 6.13 Weapons?
>
>
>
> 3)      Kind-of related, Note F should start with =E2=80=98Up to three th=
rowing
> darts may be=E2=80=A6=E2=80=99, to match the entry in the weapon table.
>
> 4)      Note H (Grenadoes) has been over-shortened at some point, and now
> gets lost in the middle. The Alchemist write-ups for greek fire and metha=
ne
> are also poor, but that isn=E2=80=99t the note=E2=80=99s fault!
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Errol
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelsie McArthur
> *Sent:* Monday, 28 July 2014 12:08 p.m.
> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
> *Subject:* [dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting
>
>
>
> 1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill used to give 2% per rank. The change to spy
> changed it to 1% per rank. The text in stealth has not changed. We need t=
o
> pick one. I would suggest sticking with 2% as most people have not notice=
d
> the change,  and many people have 2% in their spread sheets.
>
> 2) Blowgun has no damage and notes which say: * The damage done by a
> blowgun dart depends upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs t=
o
> change to the same as venomous animals, which have damage that only appli=
es
> for purposes of bypassing armour.
>
> Kelsie
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,=
serif">What deficiency does this rule change on blow guns address?</div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">
Because, if the answer that it makes the rules more consistent, then stop n=
ow before you create a problem where none exists.</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">
Blowgun use is not a standard part of the game environment, although there =
is no reason to exclude it from play, there is also no reason to make it pr=
oductive that more of it would be seen. Currently, it&#39;s an impractical =
weapon in the way the rules describe them, and so disbelief acts as frictio=
n against their overuse.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 28 J=
uly 2014 14:25, Errol Cavit <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Errol.C=
avit@tollgroup.com" target=3D"_blank">Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-NZ" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"p=
urple"><div><p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>1)<span style=3D"fon=
t:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>=
</span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cali=
bri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I think a reminder 8 years =
after a change comes into effect for people to update their calcs is ..um..=
 timely? I=E2=80=99d prefer updating Stealth to reflect the subsequent Spy =
change, but no biggy.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>2)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span></spa=
n><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Various venomous animals have entries l=
ike:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin=
-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white"><b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"=
>Weapons<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin=
-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">As=
ps may bite. Poison occurs after effective damage.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin=
-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white"><b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"=
>Bite</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">: BC 65%, [D =E2=80=93 3] penetratio=
n only, Close, Rank 0.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin=
-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white"><b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"=
>Poison</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">: 2 DP per pulse.<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">So =C2=A0the note s=
hould be expanded to give a DM, for penetration only (currently kind-off as=
sumed to be D+0?). Add a pointer to envenomed weapons in Combat 6.13 Weapon=
s?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>3)<span style=3D"font:7.0p=
t &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span=
></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Kind-of related, Note F should st=
art with =E2=80=98Up to three throwing darts may be=E2=80=A6=E2=80=99, to m=
atch the entry in the weapon table.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>4)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span></spa=
n><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Note H (Grenadoes) has been over-shorte=
ned at some point, and now gets lost in the middle. The Alchemist write-ups=
 for greek fire and methane are also poor, but that isn=E2=80=99t the note=
=E2=80=99s fault!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Cheers<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Errol <u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0c=
m 0cm 4.0pt">
<div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt=
 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</s=
pan></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ta=
homa&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=
" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-=
owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] <b>On Beha=
lf Of </b>Kelsie McArthur<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 28 July 2014 12:08 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailt=
o:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br><b>Subject:</b>=
 [dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></=
div>
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">1) Spy/stealth: th=
e spy skill used to give 2% per rank. The change to spy changed it to 1% pe=
r rank. The text in stealth has not changed. We need to pick one. I would s=
uggest sticking with 2% as most people have not noticed the change,=C2=A0 a=
nd many people have 2% in their spread sheets.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">2) Blowgun has =
no damage and notes which say: * The damage done by a blowgun dart depends =
upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs to change to the same as=
 venomous animals, which have damage that only applies for purposes of bypa=
ssing armour.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Kelsie<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></di=
v></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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FromKelsie McArthur
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Not talking about a rule change. The deficiency is that there is not a
functional rule in the book. Jim thinks that it takes an endurance blow.
This is reasonable. I and Errol assumed it to be the same as the animals,
Also reasonable. We have a new player in the game using one. As written it
does the poison damage without having to penetrate. The note should tell a
player how it works.

Kelsie


On 28 July 2014 19:34, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:

> What deficiency does this rule change on blow guns address?
>
> Because, if the answer that it makes the rules more consistent, then stop
> now before you create a problem where none exists.
>
> Blowgun use is not a standard part of the game environment, although ther=
e
> is no reason to exclude it from play, there is also no reason to make it
> productive that more of it would be seen. Currently, it's an impractical
> weapon in the way the rules describe them, and so disbelief acts as
> friction against their overuse.
>
>
>
> On 28 July 2014 14:25, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> 1)      I think a reminder 8 years after a change comes into effect for
>> people to update their calcs is ..um.. timely? I=E2=80=99d prefer updati=
ng Stealth
>> to reflect the subsequent Spy change, but no biggy.
>>
>> 2)      Various venomous animals have entries like:
>>
>> *Weapons*
>>
>> Asps may bite. Poison occurs after effective damage.
>>
>> *Bite*: BC 65%, [D =E2=80=93 3] penetration only, Close, Rank 0.
>>
>> *Poison*: 2 DP per pulse.
>>
>>
>>
>> So  the note should be expanded to give a DM, for penetration only
>> (currently kind-off assumed to be D+0?). Add a pointer to envenomed weap=
ons
>> in Combat 6.13 Weapons?
>>
>>
>>
>> 3)      Kind-of related, Note F should start with =E2=80=98Up to three t=
hrowing
>> darts may be=E2=80=A6=E2=80=99, to match the entry in the weapon table.
>>
>> 4)      Note H (Grenadoes) has been over-shortened at some point, and
>> now gets lost in the middle. The Alchemist write-ups for greek fire and
>> methane are also poor, but that isn=E2=80=99t the note=E2=80=99s fault!
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Errol
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] *On Behalf
>> Of *Kelsie McArthur
>> *Sent:* Monday, 28 July 2014 12:08 p.m.
>> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
>> *Subject:* [dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill used to give 2% per rank. The change to sp=
y
>> changed it to 1% per rank. The text in stealth has not changed. We need =
to
>> pick one. I would suggest sticking with 2% as most people have not notic=
ed
>> the change,  and many people have 2% in their spread sheets.
>>
>> 2) Blowgun has no damage and notes which say: * The damage done by a
>> blowgun dart depends upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs =
to
>> change to the same as venomous animals, which have damage that only appl=
ies
>> for purposes of bypassing armour.
>>
>> Kelsie
>>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Not talking about a rule change. The deficiency is th=
at there is not a functional rule in the book. Jim thinks that it takes an =
endurance blow. This is reasonable. I and Errol assumed it to be the same a=
s the animals, Also reasonable. We have a new player in the game using one.=
 As written it does the poison damage without having to penetrate. The note=
 should tell a player how it works.<br>
<br></div>Kelsie<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">On 28 July 2014 19:34, Jim Arona <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">What deficiency does this rule change=
 on blow guns address?</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">
Because, if the answer that it makes the rules more consistent, then stop n=
ow before you create a problem where none exists.</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">

Blowgun use is not a standard part of the game environment, although there =
is no reason to exclude it from play, there is also no reason to make it pr=
oductive that more of it would be seen. Currently, it&#39;s an impractical =
weapon in the way the rules describe them, and so disbelief acts as frictio=
n against their overuse.</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div cl=
ass=3D"">On 28 July 2014 14:25, Errol Cavit <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" target=3D"_blank">Errol.Cavit@tollgro=
up.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" la=
ng=3D"EN-NZ"><div><div class=3D""><p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><spa=
n>1)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I th=
ink a reminder 8 years after a change comes into effect for people to updat=
e their calcs is ..um.. timely? I=E2=80=99d prefer updating Stealth to refl=
ect the subsequent Spy change, but no biggy.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

</div><p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>2)<span style=3D"font:7.0p=
t &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span=
></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Various venomous animals have ent=
ries like:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin=
-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white"><b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"=
>Weapons<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin=
-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">As=
ps may bite. Poison occurs after effective damage.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin=
-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white"><b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"=
>Bite</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">: BC 65%, [D =E2=80=93 3] penetratio=
n only, Close, Rank 0.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin=
-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white"><b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"=
>Poison</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">: 2 DP per pulse.<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">So =C2=A0the note s=
hould be expanded to give a DM, for penetration only (currently kind-off as=
sumed to be D+0?). Add a pointer to envenomed weapons in Combat 6.13 Weapon=
s?<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>3)<span style=3D"font:7.0p=
t &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span=
></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Kind-of related, Note F should st=
art with =E2=80=98Up to three throwing darts may be=E2=80=A6=E2=80=99, to m=
atch the entry in the weapon table.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>4)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span></spa=
n><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Note H (Grenadoes) has been over-shorte=
ned at some point, and now gets lost in the middle. The Alchemist write-ups=
 for greek fire and methane are also poor, but that isn=E2=80=99t the note=
=E2=80=99s fault!<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Cheers<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Errol <u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0c=
m 0cm 4.0pt">

<div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt=
 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</s=
pan></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US"> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=
" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-=
owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] <b>On Beha=
lf Of </b>Kelsie McArthur<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 28 July 2014 12:08 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailt=
o:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br><b>Subject:</b>=
 [dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></=
div>

<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill=
 used to give 2% per rank. The change to spy changed it to 1% per rank. The=
 text in stealth has not changed. We need to pick one. I would suggest stic=
king with 2% as most people have not noticed the change,=C2=A0 and many peo=
ple have 2% in their spread sheets.<u></u><u></u></p>

</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">2) Blowgun has =
no damage and notes which say: * The damage done by a blowgun dart depends =
upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs to change to the same as=
 venomous animals, which have damage that only applies for purposes of bypa=
ssing armour.<u></u><u></u></p>

</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Kelsie<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></di=
v></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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=E2=80=8BYou need an EN hit if the target has armour, but if they have no
Protection, they suffer the effects of the poison as listed in the poison's
description.=E2=80=8B


On 28 July 2014 22:25, Kelsie McArthur <kelsiemca@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not talking about a rule change. The deficiency is that there is not a
> functional rule in the book. Jim thinks that it takes an endurance blow.
> This is reasonable. I and Errol assumed it to be the same as the animals,
> Also reasonable. We have a new player in the game using one. As written i=
t
> does the poison damage without having to penetrate. The note should tell =
a
> player how it works.
>
> Kelsie
>
>
> On 28 July 2014 19:34, Jim Arona <jim.arona@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What deficiency does this rule change on blow guns address?
>>
>> Because, if the answer that it makes the rules more consistent, then sto=
p
>> now before you create a problem where none exists.
>>
>> Blowgun use is not a standard part of the game environment, although
>> there is no reason to exclude it from play, there is also no reason to m=
ake
>> it productive that more of it would be seen. Currently, it's an impracti=
cal
>> weapon in the way the rules describe them, and so disbelief acts as
>> friction against their overuse.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28 July 2014 14:25, Errol Cavit <Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 1)      I think a reminder 8 years after a change comes into effect for
>>> people to update their calcs is ..um.. timely? I=E2=80=99d prefer updat=
ing Stealth
>>> to reflect the subsequent Spy change, but no biggy.
>>>
>>> 2)      Various venomous animals have entries like:
>>>
>>> *Weapons*
>>>
>>> Asps may bite. Poison occurs after effective damage.
>>>
>>> *Bite*: BC 65%, [D =E2=80=93 3] penetration only, Close, Rank 0.
>>>
>>> *Poison*: 2 DP per pulse.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So  the note should be expanded to give a DM, for penetration only
>>> (currently kind-off assumed to be D+0?). Add a pointer to envenomed wea=
pons
>>> in Combat 6.13 Weapons?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3)      Kind-of related, Note F should start with =E2=80=98Up to three =
throwing
>>> darts may be=E2=80=A6=E2=80=99, to match the entry in the weapon table.
>>>
>>> 4)      Note H (Grenadoes) has been over-shortened at some point, and
>>> now gets lost in the middle. The Alchemist write-ups for greek fire and
>>> methane are also poor, but that isn=E2=80=99t the note=E2=80=99s fault!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Errol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz [mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Kelsie McArthur
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 28 July 2014 12:08 p.m.
>>> *To:* dq@dq.sf.org.nz
>>> *Subject:* [dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill used to give 2% per rank. The change to
>>> spy changed it to 1% per rank. The text in stealth has not changed. We =
need
>>> to pick one. I would suggest sticking with 2% as most people have not
>>> noticed the change,  and many people have 2% in their spread sheets.
>>>
>>> 2) Blowgun has no damage and notes which say: * The damage done by a
>>> blowgun dart depends upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs=
 to
>>> change to the same as venomous animals, which have damage that only app=
lies
>>> for purposes of bypassing armour.
>>>
>>> Kelsie
>>>
>>
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,=
serif">=E2=80=8BYou need an EN hit if the target has armour, but if they ha=
ve no Protection, they suffer the effects of the poison as listed in the po=
ison&#39;s description.=E2=80=8B</div>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 28 J=
uly 2014 22:25, Kelsie McArthur <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kel=
siemca@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kelsiemca@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Not talking about a ru=
le change. The deficiency is that there is not a functional rule in the boo=
k. Jim thinks that it takes an endurance blow. This is reasonable. I and Er=
rol assumed it to be the same as the animals, Also reasonable. We have a ne=
w player in the game using one. As written it does the poison damage withou=
t having to penetrate. The note should tell a player how it works.<span cla=
ss=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>

<br></font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">Kels=
ie<br></font></span></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 28 July 2014 19:34,=
 Jim Arona <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jim.arona@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">jim.arona@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">What deficiency does this rule change=
 on blow guns address?</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">
Because, if the answer that it makes the rules more consistent, then stop n=
ow before you create a problem where none exists.</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">


Blowgun use is not a standard part of the game environment, although there =
is no reason to exclude it from play, there is also no reason to make it pr=
oductive that more of it would be seen. Currently, it&#39;s an impractical =
weapon in the way the rules describe them, and so disbelief acts as frictio=
n against their overuse.</div>


<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On=
 28 July 2014 14:25, Errol Cavit <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Er=
rol.Cavit@tollgroup.com" target=3D"_blank">Errol.Cavit@tollgroup.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>


</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" la=
ng=3D"EN-NZ"><div><div><p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>1)<span s=
tyle=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 </span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I think a remind=
er 8 years after a change comes into effect for people to update their calc=
s is ..um.. timely? I=E2=80=99d prefer updating Stealth to reflect the subs=
equent Spy change, but no biggy.<u></u><u></u></span></p>


</div><p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>2)<span style=3D"font:7.0p=
t &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span=
></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Various venomous animals have ent=
ries like:<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin=
-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white"><b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"=
>Weapons<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin=
-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">As=
ps may bite. Poison occurs after effective damage.<u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin=
-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white"><b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"=
>Bite</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">: BC 65%, [D =E2=80=93 3] penetratio=
n only, Close, Rank 0.<u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin=
-left:36.0pt;line-height:14.3pt;background:white"><b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"=
>Poison</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">: 2 DP per pulse.<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">So =C2=A0the note s=
hould be expanded to give a DM, for penetration only (currently kind-off as=
sumed to be D+0?). Add a pointer to envenomed weapons in Combat 6.13 Weapon=
s?<u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>3)<span style=3D"font:7.0p=
t &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span=
></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Kind-of related, Note F should st=
art with =E2=80=98Up to three throwing darts may be=E2=80=A6=E2=80=99, to m=
atch the entry in the weapon table.<u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>4)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span></spa=
n><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Note H (Grenadoes) has been over-shorte=
ned at some point, and now gets lost in the middle. The Alchemist write-ups=
 for greek fire and methane are also poor, but that isn=E2=80=99t the note=
=E2=80=99s fault!<u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Cheers<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Errol <u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0c=
m 0cm 4.0pt">


<div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt=
 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</s=
pan></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US"> <a href=3D"mailto:dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz=
" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dq-=
owner@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq-owner@dq.sf.org.nz</a>] <b>On Beha=
lf Of </b>Kelsie McArthur<br>


<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 28 July 2014 12:08 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailt=
o:dq@dq.sf.org.nz" target=3D"_blank">dq@dq.sf.org.nz</a><br><b>Subject:</b>=
 [dq] Trivial rules stuff for next meeting<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></=
div>


<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">1) Spy/stealth: the spy skill=
 used to give 2% per rank. The change to spy changed it to 1% per rank. The=
 text in stealth has not changed. We need to pick one. I would suggest stic=
king with 2% as most people have not noticed the change,=C2=A0 and many peo=
ple have 2% in their spread sheets.<u></u><u></u></p>


</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">2) Blowgun has =
no damage and notes which say: * The damage done by a blowgun dart depends =
upon the substance which coats the tip. This needs to change to the same as=
 venomous animals, which have damage that only applies for purposes of bypa=
ssing armour.<u></u><u></u></p>


</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Kelsie<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></di=
v></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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